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Enfield Poltergeist photographer remains perplexed 45 years on


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90% Paranormal   5% Normal   5% Hoax

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100% hoax perpetrated by 2 girls

100% an embarrassing time for the faux researchers

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/01/the-enfield-poltergeist-a-skeptic-speaks

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Lyon Playfair pointed out that eventually “… the whole family … was seeing visions or apparitions of faces at windows, shadowy figures on the stairs …” This wouldn’t surprise a psychologist: an experiment by Richard Wiseman at Hampton Court concluded that believers reported significantly more anomalous experiences than disbelievers, and were significantly more likely to indicate that these had been due to a ghost.

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In addition, expectation can inadvertently prime a situation’s participants. I perceive several examples of this at Enfield, including at (5:16), where Janet says that “One night Mr Grosse was talking about it … he said ‘All we need now is the voices to talk’”. The voices obliged shortly afterwards.

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When Graham Morris of the Daily Mirror told the girls that poltergeists caused outbreaks of fire, the Enfield entity turned its hand to pyromania.

This is just another case of fooling the extremely gullible.

 

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How strange that Morris didn't figure out that he was telling he girls what to do next. It's almost like he didn't care.

 

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19 hours ago, openozy said:

Not many skeptics jumping in on this one.

Because it's just too damn stupid.

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5 hours ago, stereologist said:

How strange that Morris didn't figure out that he was telling he girls what to do next. It's almost like he didn't care.

 

Or was the poltergeist listening :devil:.

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  • 11 months later...

The Enfield poltergeist girl jumped, says photographer

The latest update in the Enfield Poltergeist saga comes at an inconvenient time for Apple TV+, since Graham Morris, a photographer from the Daily Mirror who worked on the case, claimed that the levitation images of Janet merely showed her jumping, according to The Times.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-enfield-poltergeist-girl-jumped-says-photographer/ar-AA1iHon2?

Graham further discredited the claims that Bill Wilkins' voice was channelled through Janet's body as 'a load of rubbish'.

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There was a documentary on this a few years back and it became known that the girls were gymnasts, one being, if I remember rightly, the school gymnastic champion, so that's the jumping explained. The two girls, now middle aged women, were interviewed and came across very badly, not properly answering questions and doing a lot of smirking. That the Warren's tried to muscle in was also, to me, a kiss of death for this being real as they lived their lives hoaxing everybody, probably mostly themselves I think.

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17 hours ago, Antigonos said:

Enfield’s long been known to be a hoax.

I read that on the internet, yes.

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1 hour ago, Cho Jinn said:

I read that on the internet, yes.

Hey Cho.

I originally read a breakdown of the case in an issue of the Journal of the Society for Psychical Research.

Anybody who deems it possible that there is some form of reality to paranormal phenomena should be the first ones to call out blatant hoaxes like this or Amityville or the haunted doll nonsense because they damage the credibility of the field of psychical research as a whole. They should be the first to support higher standards of proof. Not blindly embracing every case as real doesn’t make one a skeptic or a debunker. Especially if the Warrens were involved or interested which is always a huge red flag.

Unfortunately fraud has been a part of this subject going back to the early days of Victorian spiritualism. It was precisely because they were convinced that such phenomena were authentic that psychical researchers like Dr. Stephen Kaplan, Frank Podmore and Harry Price were relentless in their exposure of frauds. 
 

Good talking with you. 👍



 

 

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On 10/30/2022 at 4:17 AM, openozy said:

Like how he explains it as something purely scientific. If so, what?


I kinda agree with him, openozy. 

I think humans may be able to get down into some subconci9us level and utilize the body in ways we cannot normally do. I can't prove that though.

I'm not too cool on believing "The devil made me do it".   That was Flip Wilson  :) 

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3 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

think humans may be able to get down into some subconci9us level and utilize the body in ways we cannot normally do

I do believe they can too. Maybe a little exaggerated but the movie Split I thought had a lot of possible reality to it.

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7 hours ago, Antigonos said:

Anybody who deems it possible that there is some form of reality to paranormal phenomena should be the first ones to call out blatant hoaxes like this or Amityville or the haunted doll nonsense because they damage the credibility of the field of psychical research as a whole

I personally hate people hoaxing anything paranormal, it is usually blatantly obvious to people who have experienced the real thing. I also can't see why they bother doing it apart from monetary gain which is totally opposite to true spirituality.

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10 hours ago, openozy said:

I personally hate people hoaxing anything paranormal, it is usually blatantly obvious to people who have experienced the real thing. I also can't see why they bother doing it apart from monetary gain which is totally opposite to true spirituality.

If its on TV, in the paper or a magazine its most definitely a hoax.

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19 minutes ago, TashaMarie said:

If its on TV, in the paper or a magazine its most definitely a hoax.

I totally agree Tasha because I don't believe anything paranormal can be captured on film firstly, also people serious about this stuff aren't in it for gain or fame.

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12 hours ago, openozy said:

personally hate people hoaxing anything paranormal

Pretty much my problem and it ruins even the smallest chance of positive results. Typically it's always a negative experience that follows a pattern. When those possessed dolls movie were out, that's almost all the threads we had. Same for the ouija board. 

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2 hours ago, TashaMarie said:

If its on TV, in the paper or a magazine its most definitely a hoax.

Most mass market paperbacks usually are too.

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8 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Typically it's always a negative experience that follows a pattern

I never thought of that but it's true. The bad things are probably only a small fraction of what is experienced but people like to be frightened and a passed over granny saying I love you isn't going to make headlines.

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1 hour ago, Eldorado said:

The Enfield Poltergeist: Why the unexplained mystery that shocked 1970s Britain continues to disturb

BBC article

The purpose of the article is obviously to promote the new play and the series on Apple.

I’m not sure which fact is supposed to give it more legitimacy… the fact that Peter Unwin, the play’s writer, is a creator of TV shows and says “this is not a documentary”, so he isn’t even basing it on the official bogus version of events, or that Stephen Volk, writer of the old reality ghost show Ghostwatch commented on it.

Now all we need is for Zak Bagans and Jason Hawes to weigh in.

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