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35 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

I think Will needs a time out.

I tihnk this thread has run its course to be quite honest. It is either a debate about the validity of a belief system/s or just nonsensical preaching. Basically the sound of someone patting themselves on the back about how loving (not really) and righteous they are (not at all) to us "lesser" creatures. This thread was pure arrogance from the start and we all knew it. It's just Walker Jr. having a go at us all. 

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2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I tihnk this thread has run its course to be quite honest. It is either a debate about the validity of a belief system/s or just nonsensical preaching. Basically the sound of someone patting themselves on the back about how loving (not really) and righteous they are (not at all) to us "lesser" creatures. This thread was pure arrogance from the start and we all knew it. It's just Walker Jr. having a go at us all. 

Ok, see ya..

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1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

You're the one pushing the UB as a true, divine revelation, here, so please, tell us about the authors, Will. 

 

Who do you think It would be who would author a divine revelation?

It's not that hard to figure out.

The funny thing about all this is that a lot of people crave for something from above that will explain things. But when it drops in their hands and it isn't what they expect, it's usually put aside without another look.

Of course people want to know who wrote the UB. When I first laid my hands on one, I sure as hell did. But after getting familiar with what I was reading (I read the part about Jesus first, couldn't help it) it occurred to me that that wasn't really important because it was obvious that whoever wrote it, they were certainly more than human. If you go to the wiki page for the UB, in one section it's related that somebody who's supposed to be a well-known and respected skeptic by the name of Martin Gardner had to admit that at the very least it was consistent. In other words, no contradictions. And that's a trick. No contradictions.

I will attest to the fact of their being such a consistent flow throughout the entire book, touching on so many different topics that as far as I'm concerned there is no way, unless you had access to today's computing capabilities to check for consistency (which of course didn't exist in 1934) that the authors of the papers were exactly who they said they were (you'll have to read the book to find out who). Beings who were authorized to come to this world and leave it with a divine revelation explaining many things that people have had questions about for centuries.

I will admit it can be a difficult read though. When I read it, I usually read something and say to myself. What the hell did I just read and then read it over again but this time slower. A lot of people who have read the papers have said something basically the same.

So I ask you, would it be any different if it was truly something from above that explains things in a way that one would never expect? Of course it would. Because the outlook on the big picture that we all grow up with is really a big mess. One big gigantic knot. And even with someone like myself, who was spared being indoctrinated as a kid in a family situation, reading the UB was still a rather excruciating exercise of undoing the cultural knot that I found myself burdened with anyway.

Now go and ridicule, insult and ad hominem me and the UB to your heart's desire. :sleepy:

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Who do you think It would be who would author a divine revelation?

It's not that hard to figure out.

The funny thing about all this is that a lot of people crave for something from above that will explain things. But when it drops in their hands and it isn't what they expect, its usually put aside without another look.

Of course people want to know who wrote the UB. When I first laid my hands on one, I sure as hell did. But after getting familiar with what I was reading (I read the part about Jesus first, couldn't help it) it occurred to me that whoever wrote it was certainly more than human. If you go to the wiki page for the UB, in one section it's related that somebody who's supposed to be a well-known skeptic by the name of Martin Gardner had to admit that at the very least it was consistent. In other words, no contradictions. And that's a trick.

I will attest that this fact of their being such a consistent flow throughout the entire book, touching on so many different topics that as far as I'm concerned there is no way, unless you had access to today's computing capabilities to check for consistency (which of course didn't exist in 1934) that the authors of the papers were exactly who they said they were (you'll have to read the book to find out who). Beings who were authorized to come to this world and leave it with a divine revelation explaining many things that people have had questions about for centuries.

I will admit it can be a difficult read though. When I read it, I usually read something and say to myself. What the hell did I just read and then read it over again but this time slower. A lot of people who have read the papers have said something basically the same.

So I ask you, would it be any different if it was truly something from above that explains things in a way that one would never expect? Of course it would. Because the outlook on the big picture that we all grow up with is really a big mess. One big gigantic knot. And even with someone like myself, who was spared being indoctrinated as a kid in a family situation, reading the UB was still a rather excruciating exercise of undoing the cultural knot that I found myself burdened with.

Now go and ridicule, insult and ad hominem me and the UB to your heart's desire. :sleepy:

 

 

Wow..

I'm gonna have to read THIS here Book!

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12 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Beings who were authorized to come to this world and leave it with a divine revelation explaining many things that people have had questions about for centuries.

So, you believe space aliens wrote it. I think it's important for everyone to know where you're coming from and exactly what you believe. 

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28 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Sure.

A metaphor is something that is pointing to the truth, without having to explicitly explain it, in actuality.

Its a way of using someone's imagination to point to a particular truth.

IT engenders a particular feeling that, like a picture, is worth a thousand words.

You see?

 

An add to: 
Well, academically when working with the Bible there are many literary devices used not just metaphor, there is the literary device used in fiction verisimilitude which simply means the quality of resembling reality and there are some examples of this in the Bible such as;

The New Testament Gospels and Acts exhibit a great deal of ver-ee-similitude. They speak of real people — Pontius Pilate, Herod Antipas, Annas, Caiaphas, Herod Agrippa I, Herod Agrippa II, Felix, Festus — and they speak of real events — the death of John the Baptist, the death of Agrippa I. They speak of real places — villages, cities, roads, lakes, mountains — which are clarified and corroborated by other historical sources and by archaeology. https://vridar.org/2013/11/28/history-and-verisimilitude-real-vs-realistic/

CH, a metaphor is a literary device used as a figure of speech in which a comparison is being made between two seemingly unlike things.

‘For ex: And the tongue is a fire, a world of inquiry” James 3:6

A metonymy is a type of metaphor in which something (concrete or conceptual) is not identified by its own name, but by a name of something closely related such as calling a business exe “a suit”

More ex: I will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none will make you afraid; I will rid the land of evil beasts, and the sword will not go through your land.” Leviticus 26:6

“And, I have the keys of Hades and Death.” Revelation 1:18

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

That's O-kay. Cousin It is having a bad day.

Nah, he's having a good day, my friend!!

Just be, for guaranteed happiness - Honest!

 

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4 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

An add to: 
Well, academically when working with the Bible there are many literary devices used not just metaphor, 

THATS true, but you only asked me about metaphors..

Its no good trying to move the goalposts, now, Hun.

That train left, already...:D.

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13 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

THATS true, but you only asked me about metaphors..

Its no good trying to move the goalposts, now, Hun.

That train left, already...:D.

CH, it is an add to, see black bolded which is an attempt to further the discussion. 

‘I concur with Xeno this thread is really more a blog or pm. 
 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

Sadler didn't write it.

If you really want to know who did, check out "A History of the Urantia Papers" by Larry Mullins.

 

 

I got my hands upon everything he wrote and he most certainly did.

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1 minute ago, Piney said:

I got my hands upon everything he wrote and he most certainly did.

 

You like to read. Go read Mullin's book and get back with me.

 

 

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