Crazy Horse Posted November 8, 2022 Author #26 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: Love is a highly overrated emotion. Only for those who don't appreciate it.. It's actually a bit addictive - and contagious. Edited November 8, 2022 by Crazy Horse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 8, 2022 #27 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: You can call it what you want Hammerclaw, that is your right, but luckily my sense of love doesn't require me to live up to your expectations etc. No, my love is unconditional, for self, for GOD, and for you. Therefore, your words are like water of a ducks back. Love is that quality where another person's happiness is necessary for one's own. What you describe is love of self and that is narcissism. Edited November 8, 2022 by Hammerclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 8, 2022 #28 Share Posted November 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Yes, but a more loving, and peaceful pile of crap you never did see. Gag a maggot! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 8, 2022 Author #29 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Just now, Hammerclaw said: Love is that quality where another person's happiness is necessary for one's own. Whatcyou describe is love of self and that is narcissism. Does narcissism bring one peace and happiness? Does a narcist love those who insult him? And does a narcist call himself a pile of crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 8, 2022 #30 Share Posted November 8, 2022 35 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: Actually, it's underappreciated and better to have too much of than too little. It too often used as a tool for manipulate. With equal measure of joy and sorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 8, 2022 #31 Share Posted November 8, 2022 18 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Only for those who don't appreciate it.. It's actually a bit addictive - and contagious. That's the problem. It's a drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 8, 2022 #32 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Love can blind a person to all the warning signs of a toxic relationship. Be this personal or spiritual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 8, 2022 Author #33 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Just now, XenoFish said: That's the problem. It's a drug. You only call it a problem because you don't appreciate it. I mean, it's not just the peacefulness and clarity of mind that is nice, and it's not just the friendships one experiences, and it's not even the good night's sleep or the amazing sense of wellbeing either, no, it's having a personal relationship with THAT, I call GOD. You are free to call it a drug XenoFish, yet I prefer the word, life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 8, 2022 Author #34 Share Posted November 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, XenoFish said: It too often used as a tool for manipulate. With equal measure of joy and sorrow. It can only be used as a tool to manipulate if one is expected to live up to another's expectation, etc. Perhaps this is a good place to mention "truth" as well. Without love, one cannot experience the truth, and without the truth, there is no love. The point being that to live a lie is not love. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 8, 2022 Author #35 Share Posted November 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Love can blind a person to all the warning signs of a toxic relationship. Be this personal or spiritual. Actually, love shall reflect the toxicity in the mirror of truth. See above post. Then one may choose to stay in that poisonous relationship, or not! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 8, 2022 #36 Share Posted November 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: You only call it a problem because you don't appreciate it. I mean, it's not just the peacefulness and clarity of mind that is nice, and it's not just the friendships one experiences, and it's not even the good night's sleep or the amazing sense of wellbeing either, no, it's having a personal relationship with THAT, I call GOD. You are free to call it a drug XenoFish, yet I prefer the word, life. I think you're using the wrong word to describe this needy relationship with your idea of God. Try the word contentment instead of love. By using the word love it appears you are in desperate need of emotional support. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 8, 2022 #37 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: It too often used as a tool for manipulate. With equal measure of joy and sorrow. Life is an equal measure of joy and sorry. It's like the song says: Now, I'm glad I didn't know, the way it all would end, the way it all would go. Our lives are better left to chance. I might have missed the pain, but I'd have had to miss the dance. Edited November 8, 2022 by Hammerclaw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 8, 2022 #38 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said: Does narcissism bring one peace and happiness? Does a narcist love those who insult him? And does a narcist call himself a pile of crap? Sweet little lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 8, 2022 #39 Share Posted November 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: Life is an equal measure of joy and sorry. It's like the song says: Now, I'm glad I didn't know, the way it all would end, the way it all would go. Our lives are better left to chance. I might have missed the pain, but I'd have had to miss the dance. I just see many of the "spiritual" pursuits as people trying to avoid reality rather than deal with it. Life is a story that spans multiple genres. It just feels like some want absolutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 8, 2022 #40 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Just now, XenoFish said: I just see many of the "spiritual" pursuits as people trying to avoid reality rather than deal with it. Life is a story that spans multiple genres. It just feels like some want absolutes. Better to want absolutes, than too be absolutely wanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 8, 2022 #41 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said: Better to want absolutes, than too be absolutely wanting. That's just it. All this stuff appears to be a wanting. Not my wanting, but others. I never could grasp the concept of "God loves me, but....". I mean the OP comes in ever so often. Either hating their own sense of self (ego) or having an almost childish desire for some lovey, dovey, reality. A peace, love, and happiness reality simply can not exist. Never did and never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 8, 2022 #42 Share Posted November 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, XenoFish said: That's just it. All this stuff appears to be a wanting. Not my wanting, but others. I never could grasp the concept of "God loves me, but....". I mean the OP comes in ever so often. Either hating their own sense of self (ego) or having an almost childish desire for some lovey, dovey, reality. A peace, love, and happiness reality simply can not exist. Never did and never will. Neither can a dour, moody, dismal, depressing existence exist. Well, the fact is they both exist but neither exist forever. Only the young believe love lasts forever. They can't see it will. one day, turn to ash. We should embrace that remarkable illusion, none-the-less. It is, perhaps, the greatest gift the universe gave our species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 9, 2022 Author #43 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, XenoFish said: I think you're using the wrong word to describe this needy relationship with your idea of God. Try the word contentment instead of love. By using the word love it appears you are in desperate need of emotional support. Contentment is a good word, a decent expression of how I am is feeling right now, yet there is no neediness here. In fact, how can a person be needy, and content, at the same time, doesn't really make much sense does it? There is however a surrender to THAT. An opening up to GOD's love allowing THAT to flow through me as much as possible. Here's the thing XenoFish, when one is striving to be nothing other than the best expression of love, then there is no other emotional need. One is content, one feels the joyfulness of life, in this present moment, just happy to be. Edited November 9, 2022 by Crazy Horse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 9, 2022 Author #44 Share Posted November 9, 2022 12 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: Sweet little lies. I know my friend, and the sooner you stop this nonsense, the better it shall be for one and all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 9, 2022 Author #45 Share Posted November 9, 2022 11 hours ago, XenoFish said: I just see many of the "spiritual" pursuits as people trying to avoid reality rather than deal with it. Life is a story that spans multiple genres. It just feels like some want absolutes. Love is reality, anything other is a lie, and therefore shall bring one pain and suffering, misery and malcontentment. GOD is love. Face THAT, feel THAT, and become THAT. Christ is rising within us all. Except or reject, your choice to smile and laugh, or to crash and burn. No seriously, it's your choice alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 9, 2022 Author #46 Share Posted November 9, 2022 11 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: Better to want absolutes, than too be absolutely wanting. You are in essence the Absolute, there is nothing outside of THAT, know this and want for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 9, 2022 Author #47 Share Posted November 9, 2022 11 hours ago, XenoFish said: That's just it. All this stuff appears to be a wanting. Not my wanting, but others. I never could grasp the concept of "God loves me, but....". I mean the OP comes in ever so often. Either hating their own sense of self (ego) or having an almost childish desire for some lovey, dovey, reality. A peace, love, and happiness reality simply can not exist. Never did and never will. Thats because you don't appreciate love. And btw, I don't hate the ego, I love the ego, the same as a naughty child who misbehaves. Of course, one has to gently correct that wayward behaviour, but it is done with the appropriate words, with love. We want things to get better, right? We want a brighter future for one and all, right? We want peace on Earth, right? Justice. Liberty. Right? Well, all these things can only come to fruition via a little seed called love. And THAT is a choice one has to make for themselves, within. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 9, 2022 Author #48 Share Posted November 9, 2022 11 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: Neither can a dour, moody, dismal, depressing existence exist. Well, the fact is they both exist but neither exist forever. Only the young believe love lasts forever. They can't see it will. one day, turn to ash. We should embrace that remarkable illusion, none-the-less. It is, perhaps, the greatest gift the universe gave our species. Life is what it is, but how one responds to difficult situations is entirely up to self. True love can never turn to ash, true love only blossoms into every greater and more beautiful creations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 9, 2022 #49 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said: GOD is love. Then God is nothing more than a thought that triggers a chemical reaction in the brain, a thought that you've giving meaning too. 1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said: Contentment is a good word, a decent expression of how I am is feeling right now, yet there is no neediness here. In fact, how can a person be needy, and content, at the same time, doesn't really make much sense does it? There is however a surrender to THAT. An opening up to GOD's love allowing THAT to flow through me as much as possible. Here's the thing XenoFish, when one is striving to be nothing other than the best expression of love, then there is no other emotional need. One is content, one feels the joyfulness of life, in this present moment, just happy to be. You are one screwed up individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 9, 2022 Author #50 Share Posted November 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Then God is nothing more than a thought that triggers a chemical reaction in the brain, a thought that you've giving meaning too. You are one screwed up individual. Well, even if GOD is nothing more than a thought, yada, yada, yada, that I give meaning to, still results in a peaceful existence, a clarity of thought, happy relationships, and unlimited creativity. Yet I know that GOD is more than that, because I hang-out with HIM, all the time, it's great! The rest of you post is pure projection. Seeing in me what you hate in yourself. Now, where was I, content, or needy - you decide? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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