cormac mac airt Posted November 10, 2022 #126 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, Crazy Horse said: There is only one Source of creation. With many names. And one is free to choose. And yet, if you believe that your God is a vengeful God, then it won't go well in the long run. If on the other hand, one believes that GOD is love, then all those selfish, greedy, fearful folk will hate on you all day. What I see as a Creator doesn’t care either way. cormac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #127 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: What I see as a Creator doesn’t care either way. cormac Well, "HE" gave us free will, now it's up to us to create, co-create. Either with love, or fear. But I think you have a point, I don't think GOD cares, HE just loves, is all merciful. HE loves the Prodigal Son no matter what darkness has occurred before hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 10, 2022 #128 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said: Well, "HE" gave us free will, now it's up to us to create, co-create. Either with love, or fear. But I think you have a point, I don't think GOD cares, HE just loves, is all merciful. HE loves the Prodigal Son no matter what darkness has occurred before hand. That’s a matter of opinion, depending on which version of “God” a person believes in. Bit of an oxymoron IMO. cormac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #129 Share Posted November 10, 2022 8 hours ago, joc said: I can certainly understand that. Kind of like the truth of Reality Tunnels. Well, my "reality tunnel" is that GOD is nothing but love. And that makes me feel good. And that, feeling good, makes my life so much better in so many ways. What reality tunnel do you live by Joc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #130 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said: That’s a matter of opinion, depending on which version of “God” a person believes in. Bit of an oxymoron IMO. cormac Yes, it depends on how one views life/GOD, that's true. But it's not an oxymoron. If you Cormac, loved everybody unconditionally, with compassion, kindness, forgiveness etc etc, then you too wouldn't mind what they did. Do you hate a child for getting things wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #131 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Jay, I will get back to you later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 10, 2022 #132 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said: Yes, it depends on how one views life/GOD, that's true. But it's not an oxymoron. If you Cormac, loved everybody unconditionally, with compassion, kindness, forgiveness etc etc, then you too wouldn't mind what they did. Do you hate a child for getting things wrong? Your assumption is flawed as it presumes to know that God/a god has, or can even have, emotions or other recognizable human traits. That’s human bias talking, not fact. cormac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 10, 2022 #133 Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Crazy Horse said: If you Cormac, loved everybody unconditionally, with compassion, kindness, forgiveness etc etc, then you too wouldn't mind what they did. If God, loved everybody unconditionally, with compassion, kindness, forgiveness etc etc, then he wouldn't have destroyed creation with a flood killing an untold multitude of people in cold blood. If God, loved everybody unconditionally, with compassion, kindness, forgiveness etc etc, then he wouldn't have commanded the Israelites to kill an entire tribe of people including the innocent babies, children and old women and men. Now...which is it? Does God love everybody unconditionally, with compassion, kindness, forgiveness, etc....or not? And if he doesn't, then...what on God's Grey Earth are you even talking about? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 10, 2022 #134 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Crazy Horse said: Well, my "reality tunnel" is that GOD is nothing but love. And that makes me feel good. And that, feeling good, makes my life so much better in so many ways. What reality tunnel do you live by Joc? I live in reality. Reality is physics. Physics doesn't make me feel good. Helping people makes me feel good. Doing things makes me feel good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 10, 2022 #135 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Sometimes I find myself spitefully harassing someone in the forums who believes differently than I do. Afterwards, I don't kid myself I was doing good. Browbeating someone is a form of verbal assault and battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted November 10, 2022 #136 Share Posted November 10, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 6:02 AM, Crazy Horse said: This thread isn't a discussion about whether GOD, or Christ exist, but whether one can feel, merge, with THAT? The who, what, why and where? And most importantly, the how? Love would seem a rather apt place to start this conversation. Up to you! So are you saying when christ rises spiritually in people they will feel love? Love, happiness, sadness, fear, and anger are 5 main emotions. Love can be a real embarassment sometimes its upsetting. Maybe to feel wanted like friends first then everyone can love the poor christ For me love is a geared up emotion that can lead to other painful emotions but it is prominent in Jesus teaching to have an attitude of treat other's pain and suffering with a loving attitude I predict it won't be love but a form of happiness maybe happy love that people feel when the church rises in them at return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #137 Share Posted November 10, 2022 10 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Crazy Horse There is never one point in a line of thought and every point has multiple points within it. Here is a point within your point, perception. Missing the mark, missing, “The Mark”, the mark( “Mark” )is is missing, everything is about perception of action and intent. Different cultures have varying customs that other cultures find offensive (sinful) many times because they know very little of how that culture evolved or influences involved in that evolution. Sin is a conscious thought(intent) followed by actions so if you were raised for example to hit someone as a reaction to influence of a situation rather than using reason and discussion you would not know/think it is wrong in the context of their culture. It is only when you know it’s wrong and do it anyway. People have fear of a variety of things for a variety of reasons that affect how they perceive someone else’s actions and impose meaning on them that is not the internet of the accused(sinner). I don’t know if there is a god exists and sin is a quality of your god, I believe there is good and bad existing in us as a species and individuals. I also believe in crime and punishment that is both fair and just. Self love has been the cause of many things, they didn’t stray they have and will always loved them selves. Love is about perception as well being people are different and have different fears, wants, and needs. A god doesn’t need our love so either ands it or demands it or both which is what self love is. Yes I think humans love each other even though they do not love everyone . For me love is about commitment to those you love, even when things are difficult I am not trying to make light of what you are saying but do thing you are trying to reduce a wall into focusing on one atom of what the wall is. Yes that's right, different peoples and different cultures find different things insulting, disgusting, and so on. And yet this feeling of love, and fear, is universal. And from my perspective, love is when one is facing, contemplating THAT, with all the bells and whistles. And fear, well, probable the less said the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #138 Share Posted November 10, 2022 9 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: Your assumption is flawed as it presumes to know that God/a god has, or can even have, emotions or other recognizable human traits. That’s human bias talking, not fact. cormac It may or may not be fact, but it is 100% my belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #139 Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 hours ago, joc said: If God, loved everybody unconditionally, with compassion, kindness, forgiveness etc etc, then he wouldn't have destroyed creation with a flood killing an untold multitude of people in cold blood. If God, loved everybody unconditionally, with compassion, kindness, forgiveness etc etc, then he wouldn't have commanded the Israelites to kill an entire tribe of people including the innocent babies, children and old women and men. Now...which is it? Does God love everybody unconditionally, with compassion, kindness, forgiveness, etc....or not? And if he doesn't, then...what on God's Grey Earth are you even talking about? Well, my perspective is twofold. Firstly, I believe that humanity creates natural disasters and makes war upon their neighbour. And secondly, I don't recognise that vengeful God, as GOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #140 Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 hours ago, joc said: I live in reality. Reality is physics. Physics doesn't make me feel good. Helping people makes me feel good. Doing things makes me feel good. Yes, helping people makes us all feel good, and that's because it is an aspect of love in action. Do you understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 10, 2022 #141 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: It may or may not be fact, but it is 100% my belief. While you’re entitled to your belief its relevance to others is questionable to say the least. cormac 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted November 10, 2022 #142 Share Posted November 10, 2022 10 hours ago, Crazy Horse said: Is that with pepperoni? Nope, with Three Cheesus. In the Crust we Trust. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #143 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, cormac mac airt said: While you’re entitled to your belief its relevance to others is questionable to say the least. cormac It is definitely questionable. The relevance is up to the reader to decide, it has nothing to do with me. I am entitled to my belief, as are you, and as is the reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #144 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, Nuclear Wessel said: Nope, with Three Cheesus. In the Crust we Trust. Well, you know where you can stick THAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted November 10, 2022 #145 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said: Well, you know where you can stick THAT. LOL 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 10, 2022 Author #146 Share Posted November 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said: So are you saying when christ rises spiritually in people they will feel love? Love, happiness, sadness, fear, and anger are 5 main emotions. Love can be a real embarassment sometimes its upsetting. Maybe to feel wanted like friends first then everyone can love the poor christ For me love is a geared up emotion that can lead to other painful emotions but it is prominent in Jesus teaching to have an attitude of treat other's pain and suffering with a loving attitude I predict it won't be love but a form of happiness maybe happy love that people feel when the church rises in them at return Yeah but, better to take matters into your own hands, minds, hearts and souls, rather than wait for the Church. There is no authority above you. You are the creator of your life. Well, perhaps not with every detail, but the general direction at least, I mean, there has to be some surprises.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted November 10, 2022 #147 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Crazy Horse said: You know the old saying.. "As you think, so you become?" Well, it is true, only, as one thinks so one feels and one's thoughts also create one's mood. Positive or negative. Therefore, thinking that you and GOD are one, shall, eventually, help you to merge with THAT. Hope THAT helps. An add to: repeatedly thinking the same thought over and over becomes what is known as a belief. A belief is a thought that has been thought so much over and over that it has become one’s personal truth from there the brain kicks in with priming, this is observed by consistently interpreting the events of your life by only accepting the things that match up to this particular belief. For ex: you have thought many times that you and g?d are one, it is now a personal truth that shows up in posts and threads as a firm belief/truth that you and god are one, in other words, you demonstrate a cognitive bias in regards to your personal belief. It is literally a thought that you have created a narrative around by thinking the thought over and over. You only want to discuss your narrative in spite of the suggestion that it really is not supported by any thing based in fact. This is simply feedback whether you consider it or not is always your choice, I have no preference in the matter. In Cognitive Behavioral Therapy or a Mindfulness based approach the objective is not to create a specific pattern or set of beliefs/truths around any particular subject, thought or situation this is where meditation comes in and it is a practice. The way you are using meditation is as a way to create a narrative that helps you cope with your life. In other words, you understanding and practice of meditation isn’t based on anything factual. This isn’t right or wrong in and of itself, just a suggestion to point you in a more fruitful direction of course, you always reserve the choice to disregard. If I can offer you legitimate resources to explore, let me know. All the best. Edited November 10, 2022 by Sherapy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted November 10, 2022 #148 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said: While you’re entitled to your belief its relevance to others is questionable to say the least. cormac Exactly, without any kind of evidence it really is just CH life tales. And, at this point not much of anything viable in the way of applicability. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 10, 2022 #149 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said: And fear, well, probable the less said the better. Hi Crazy Horse Why as it is a part of the issue and should not be excluded from consideration? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 10, 2022 #150 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said: Well, my perspective is twofold. Firstly, I believe that humanity creates natural disasters and makes war upon their neighbour. And secondly, I don't recognise that vengeful God, as GOD. Hi Crazy Horse Have heard spouses with black eyes or broken bones say the same thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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