Crazy Horse Posted November 11, 2022 Author #201 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said: Sounds like a question for the Pope, not some kid on the internet, in over his head. If I am over my head, then where on Earth does that leave you lot? Anyone with an ounce of honesty, integrity, can see that the truth of love is being denied. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 11, 2022 #202 Share Posted November 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Well, I don't care what anyone thinks about my beliefs, but it seems like you do, perhaps you should ask yourself that question? Yes you do care. If you didn't you wouldn't bother arguing about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 11, 2022 Author #203 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, joc said: I don't care wha feel free to think what you want.t people believe. I care when they postulate their personal beliefs as the only way to be. So then, you haven't been reading so well. So lets be clear.. My beliefs are mine; your beliefs are yours, and everybody else's beliefs are theirs, and you are free to believe anything you want, only, thoughts, beliefs and actions have consequences, good or bad, positive or negative, but please, feel free to think what you want. Clear enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 11, 2022 #204 Share Posted November 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Anyone with an ounce of honesty, integrity, can see that the truth of love is being denied. Hi Crazy Horse No one denies love, you just have a limited construct is what we are being honest about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 11, 2022 Author #205 Share Posted November 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Yes you do care. If you didn't you wouldn't bother arguing about it. No. I don't care about your beliefs, but I do care about mine, see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 11, 2022 #206 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Just now, Crazy Horse said: No. I don't care about your beliefs, but I do care about mine, see? You can't pay attention. You care about people criticizing your beliefs. It is more than obvious you care little for what others think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 11, 2022 #207 Share Posted November 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: So then, you haven't been reading so well. So lets be clear.. My beliefs are mine; your beliefs are yours, and everybody else's beliefs are theirs, and you are free to believe anything you want, only, thoughts, beliefs and actions have consequences, good or bad, positive or negative, but please, feel free to think what you want. Clear enough? Hi Crazy Horse Pretty sure most of us understand that you are not coming here to accept our differences and do not respect what others believe. You push your agenda because you think others are wrong and need to be corrected. No one here is asking you to change your beliefs although some do ask you to change how you project your belief on others. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 11, 2022 Author #208 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: My problem is you treating your beliefs as a universal truth rather than a subjective model. You might be able to function in such a reality tunnel, it isn't for everyone. I guess you're doing what a few others like to do regarding my wellbeing. Hold me to a past standard. I personally see your worldview as being blindly positive and overly optimistic. Well, you are getting closer. My beliefs are seen as The Universal Truth, but also a subjective experience too. But perhaps you are right about my blindingly positive view, and it can come across as very simplistic at times, but then, GOD is LOVE and we are ONE, isn't such a complex idea. Although, if you want more detail XeonFish, then you only have to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 11, 2022 Author #209 Share Posted November 11, 2022 45 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Crazy Horse No one denies love, you just have a limited construct is what we are being honest about. Well, let's put that idea to the test, but first, if you truly believe that no one is denying love, then you have to tell me what you think the actual attributes of love, are? Then we can move forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 11, 2022 Author #210 Share Posted November 11, 2022 44 minutes ago, XenoFish said: You can't pay attention. You care about people criticizing your beliefs. It is more than obvious you care little for what others think. Says the man who can't keep away from my thread. Even when it triggers him into anger. The only thing I care about is the truth, which is love, which is GOD. And of course, holding fast to those beliefs, experiences, feelings of love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 11, 2022 Author #211 Share Posted November 11, 2022 45 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Crazy Horse Pretty sure most of us understand that you are not coming here to accept our differences and do not respect what others believe. You push your agenda because you think others are wrong and need to be corrected. No one here is asking you to change your beliefs although some do ask you to change how you project your belief on others. I'm not going anywhere, it's my thread. It's you lot who are coming here. Nobodies forcing you. Are they? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 11, 2022 #212 Share Posted November 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Says the man who can't keep away from my thread. Even when it triggers him into anger. The only thing I care about is the truth, which is love, which is GOD. And of course, holding fast to those beliefs, experiences, feelings of love. The thing is that while it might be YOUR truth there’s no evidence that it is “the” truth. cormac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted November 11, 2022 #213 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said: No. I don't care about your beliefs, but I do care about mine, see? It comes of as you are seeking validation and when you do not get it you lash out. Your own words attest to that your path isn’t about nurturing empathy for any other path, in fact, you post you do not care about others beliefs, only your own. FYI, we have all kinds of paths that posters walk here and this kind of exclusion only lends to a hostile posting environment. This is on you. For me, what evidence do you offer for your claims? How do you define love? My two cents is I do not think you even know. Edited November 11, 2022 by Sherapy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted November 11, 2022 #214 Share Posted November 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: I'm not going anywhere, it's my thread. It's you lot who are coming here. Nobodies forcing you. Are they? It is a public forum, CH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 11, 2022 #215 Share Posted November 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Well, let's put that idea to the test, but first, if you truly believe that no one is denying love, then you have to tell me what you think the actual attributes of love, are? Then we can move forwards. Hi Crazy Horse Everyone loves someone look around you with an objective mind it is part of why we are the dominant species on this planet. Humans have loved and protected each other long before any gods were created by man. For you moving forward means agreeing with you so not sure that there can be a discussion with you that will not devolve into you rejecting everything that anyone says. I am not on a pulpit looking for recruits or telling everyone how they are going to hell if they do not accept my belief. You come here to preach and not to be objective 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted November 11, 2022 #216 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Says the man who can't keep away from my thread. Even when it triggers him into anger. The only thing I care about is the truth, which is love, which is GOD. And of course, holding fast to those beliefs, experiences, feelings of love. Projection on your part, CH. Edited November 11, 2022 by Sherapy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted November 11, 2022 #217 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Crazy Horse Everyone loves someone look around you with an objective mind it is part of why we are the dominant species on this planet. Humans have loved and protected each other long before any gods were created by man. For you moving forward means agreeing with you so not sure that there can be a discussion with you that will not devolve into you rejecting everything that anyone says. I am not on a pulpit looking for recruits or telling everyone how they are going to hell if they do not accept my belief. You come here to preach and not to be objective Indeed, it is impossible to have a productive dialog this way. Well said, Jay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 11, 2022 Author #218 Share Posted November 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: The thing is that while it might be YOUR truth there’s no evidence that it is “the” truth. cormac The evidence, my friend, is in the experience. It may be subjective most of the time, and yet it is very, very real. If you want to weigh and measure love, GOD, truth, then please be my guest, but I have little interest in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 11, 2022 #219 Share Posted November 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Crazy Horse Everyone loves someone look around you with an objective mind it is part of why we are the dominant species on this planet. Humans have loved and protected each other long before any gods were created by man. For you moving forward means agreeing with you so not sure that there can be a discussion with you that will not devolve into you rejecting everything that anyone says. I am not on a pulpit looking for recruits or telling everyone how they are going to hell if they do not accept my belief. You come here to preach and not to be objective I’m not so sure about preaching but I believe his thread would have been better served as a blog as it really brooks no discussion which begs the question why make it a thread to begin with? cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 11, 2022 #220 Share Posted November 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: The evidence, my friend, is in the experience. It may be subjective most of the time, and yet it is very, very real. If you want to weigh and measure love, GOD, truth, then please be my guest, but I have little interest in that. Evidence to you maybe but not to anyone/everyone? else. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 11, 2022 #221 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Sherapy said: Indeed, it is impossible to have a productive dialog this way. Well said, Jay. Hi Sherapy Yes nothing has changed in his presentation of his ideas nor has his judgement on others. He has been talking to us for several years now and hasn’t caught on yet so not likely there will be any changes in his objectivity or ability to accept different perspectives from others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 11, 2022 Author #222 Share Posted November 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sherapy said: It comes of as you are seeking validation and when you do not get it you lash out. Your own words attest to that your path isn’t about nurturing empathy for any other path, in fact, you post you do not care about others beliefs, only your own. FYI, we have all kinds of paths that posters walk here and this kind of exclusion only lends to a hostile posting environment. This is on you. For me, what evidence do you offer for your claims? How do you define love? My two cents is I do not think you even know. You can walk any path you please, so please do, only a walk away from love is fraught with danger, pain and suffering. And FYI, it is not I that has given out with the insults, that is not on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 11, 2022 #223 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said: You can walk any path you please, so please do, only a walk away from love is fraught with danger, pain and suffering. And FYI, it is not I that has given out with the insults, that is not on me. What is love? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted November 11, 2022 #224 Share Posted November 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: The evidence, my friend, is in the experience. It may be subjective most of the time, and yet it is very, very real. If you want to weigh and measure love, GOD, truth, then please be my guest, but I have little interest in that. What you conclude from an experience that cannot be supported by any facts is only your subjective belief. And, many create an attachment figure or use the g?d construct towards this end. An imaginary figure that sees how special you are, that you define and speak on behalf of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 11, 2022 #225 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) Come on Crazy Horse, this is your thread, your topic, so answer the question, What is Love? Edited November 11, 2022 by Hammerclaw 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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