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4 hours ago, Scholar4Truth said:

Once again the type of vaccines related to COVID ie MRNA have been in production since the 1960's and 1970's https://historyofvaccines.org/blog/the-history-of-the-mrna-vaccines so there was no hasty check or rush on them. Also there was animal testing done on them prior to human trials https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/role-animal-research-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-development Here are the studies for each one:

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-data-preclinical-studies-mrna

https://fda.report/media/144673/Moderna+COVID-19+Vaccine+review+memo.pdf#page=52

https://www.fda.gov/media/146338/download#page=56

In addition to that we had the phases of human trials https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/covid_view these include various drugs in addition to the vaccines to quote the source from this link there was a total of 8678, of those 849 dealt with the vaccine, the other 2234 were done using drugs and therapeutics 

So would you like to tell us once again how it was hasty? The evidence is not in your favor. 

When I ask for a timeline I never get them because those making statements about rushed seem to figure out rather quickly that it wasn't rushed.

Each poster should support their own tales.

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1 hour ago, and-then said:

As soon as you tell me why a simple study of sudden, unexpected deaths from other than trauma, cannot be studied to rule out a correlation to the vaccines.  Fair enough?  I mean, I realize you reject this idea out of hand but wouldn't a well structured investigation into these deaths help allay some of the fear of the vaccines?  So why not take the minimal action of simply asking physicians to note vaccine status in cases of sudden, unexpected death?

The claims you make are not true. You even admit you won't provide any links and we all  know why. You information comes from disinformation sources.

You can't even provide evidence to support your notion that a study should be done.

As I pointed out vaccine status would tell us nothing of value. It's okay if you don't understand that.

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1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

There is no rise in unexpected deaths!!!! 

Seriously WTF?

For all your BS about people admitting they were wrong

Here is yet another example of you being wrong and refusing to admit it.

The rise in deaths claim is a YouTube post. There are absolutely no figures whatsoever supporting the YouTube claim!!

Will you admit you were wrong! No you won't. You're just that sort of person.

The knothead in the video uses COVID-19 deaths but claims it is some vaccine rollout issue. I bet he is a reliable source for financial issues - NOT!

 

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11 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

I am paying more while you are not paying any extra. Thanks for your great contribution. I am not sure how you even dare to voice an opinion when you are not paying for the solution. It screams, take  take, take. No wonder you don't like to look at the maths too closely. Just maintain your vested interest in free stuff, no consequences to you (other than poor health from the jab), dictate what others must spend after their own hard work and rewards for risks taken. 

I am paying more due to an experimental jab that does nothing positive for society and has everything to do with lining big pharma pockets.

Perhaps if you actually paid into society, you would be spurred into looking at the issues and not jump to your conclusions, whilst you line your pockets by fleecing others.

Your stance finally makes sense, it's a take all I can stance off the hard working people.

 

 

So all this ranting and whining comes back to the simple fact that you are full of crap. Again

The average person is not paying an extra three thousand pounds a year. 

You have been charged more and it's more likely because if your as dodgy at business as you are with facts, it's a miracle you're not in jail. 

Poor attempt at trying to divert the discussion. You're too transparent. You can't support the lie that the average person is paying there thousand pounds a year extra in tax.

Just because you're such a difficult person they should charge you double. It still wouldn't cover the admin for listening to you whine. 

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Don't make it personal, please.

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20 hours ago, psyche101 said:

So all this ranting and whining comes back to the simple fact that you are full of crap. Again

The average person is not paying an extra three thousand pounds a year. 

You have been charged more and it's more likely because if your as dodgy at business as you are with facts, it's a miracle you're not in jail. 

Poor attempt at trying to divert the discussion. You're too transparent. You can't support the lie that the average person is paying there thousand pounds a year extra in tax.

Just because you're such a difficult person they should charge you double. It still wouldn't cover the admin for listening to you whine. 

As you said, it's an average. 

Most adults are paying. 

You said you are not

So the majority are somehow dodgy? That's what you are insinuating. 

You are very very odd.

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8 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

As you said, it's an average. 

Most adults are paying. 

You said you are not

So the majority are somehow dodgy? That's what you are insinuating. 

You are very very odd.

Provide evidence of "Most adults are paying. " I don't believe you.

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10 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

As you said, it's an average. 

No I asked for an average hike for the average person. Essentially what this means for a householder. 

10 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

Most adults are paying. 

All should be paying taxes. 

The average persons tax has not gone up by three thousand pounds. 

That illustrates the OP, and yourself, are being very dishonest. 

10 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

You said you are not

Absolute nonsense.

I said my tax return was slightly larger this year, meaning I got more of my pad taxes back at EOFY 

10 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

So the majority are somehow dodgy? That's what you are insinuating. 

No, the average householders aren't being hit with an additional three thousand pounds tax. Which is what the OPs figures roughly come to.

So the numbers don't add up. It's just fear porn. 

10 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

You are very very odd.

You are extremely obtuse, which I feel just has to be deliberate. 

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15 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

As you said, it's an average. 

Most adults are paying. 

You said you are not

So the majority are somehow dodgy? That's what you are insinuating. 

You are very very odd.

The money came from somewhere, so someone is paying.  I think it is fairly safe to say the governments of countries will be getting some of the money back through taxes.   Whether they have to pool from other agencies or get it through more taxes is unclear.  Some countries will just leave it on their national debt which I think is a poor financial choice.   Some insurance companies paid some but they too will pass the cost to their customers.   No doubt that we are all paying.

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https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html

It is not hard to see from simple observation that the original reports of covid effects and vaccine effects are similar and that the long term and serious effects of covid should have been investigated more before dosing everyone with it. While most of you will write off this video due to willful ignorance it is clear that it is dangerous. These coroner's are not lying. The effects are really serious and it no wonder cardiovascular deaths have skyrocketed. Labelling people negatively for not injecting an experimental vaccine seriously puts you on the same level as nazi supporters whether you are self aware or not. Everybody that denied the dangers of it I watched have very serious side effects from it and they still deny it because they are so brainwashed. Open your eyes and look at the death rates.

I was shunned at a parents household for not getting it and avoided for years because the SO was terrified. Told that puts others in danger. Then the same person having the fit about it because "vaccines protect you" which became "they keep you from spreading it" which became "well they make it more mild when you do get it" came to Thanksgiving 2 months into being horribly sick with covid after their entirely vaxxed family had a super spreader event. Thank goodness none of us horrible antivaxxers caught it from her. I could have shot up and had palsy or suddenly become riddled with cancer or had heart failure and still denied it like so many other people that are too dumb to just stay home when sick and keep their viruses to themselves. How rude of me to not join the idiocy. 

I can tell you one thing for sure tho, I wasn't far off noting that the parrots advocating people harming themselves out of a sense of duty to others are 100% the same people who would have blindly complied with nazis in exterminating people out of a sense of duty and political correctness because the authorities are always right...

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/heart-disease-death-rates-spiked-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-erasing-years-of-progress

Hmm can't imagine why... The vaccine causes the same changes to your blood that covid does, apparently worse from the amount of people dropping after. Not hard to see. The willful denial though, that is a much bigger danger and raises questions of why the campaign of denial and discrediting.

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58 minutes ago, Nicolette said:

https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html

It is not hard to see from simple observation that the original reports of covid effects and vaccine effects are similar and that the long term and serious effects of covid should have been investigated more before dosing everyone with it. While most of you will write off this video due to willful ignorance it is clear that it is dangerous. These coroner's are not lying. The effects are really serious and it no wonder cardiovascular deaths have skyrocketed. Labelling people negatively for not injecting an experimental vaccine seriously puts you on the same level as nazi supporters whether you are self aware or not. Everybody that denied the dangers of it I watched have very serious side effects from it and they still deny it because they are so brainwashed. Open your eyes and look at the death rates.

I was shunned at a parents household for not getting it and avoided for years because the SO was terrified. Told that puts others in danger. Then the same person having the fit about it because "vaccines protect you" which became "they keep you from spreading it" which became "well they make it more mild when you do get it" came to Thanksgiving 2 months into being horribly sick with covid after their entirely vaxxed family had a super spreader event. Thank goodness none of us horrible antivaxxers caught it from her. I could have shot up and had palsy or suddenly become riddled with cancer or had heart failure and still denied it like so many other people that are too dumb to just stay home when sick and keep their viruses to themselves. How rude of me to not join the idiocy. 

I can tell you one thing for sure tho, I wasn't far off noting that the parrots advocating people harming themselves out of a sense of duty to others are 100% the same people who would have blindly complied with nazis in exterminating people out of a sense of duty and political correctness because the authorities are always right...

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/heart-disease-death-rates-spiked-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-erasing-years-of-progress

Hmm can't imagine why... The vaccine causes the same changes to your blood that covid does, apparently worse from the amount of people dropping after. Not hard to see. The willful denial though, that is a much bigger danger and raises questions of why the campaign of denial and discrediting.

That's not true is it? Almost everything you posted is completely wrong.

Let's go to the original reports of COVID-19 and see that in some hospitals 20% of the patients died. From the beginning people saw that people felt normal but only had 85% blood saturation. They were hypoxic.

The vaccine has not as you claim caused cardiovascular disease to skyrocket. COVID-19 is over a 1000 times more likely to cause cardiovascular complications.

The vaccine is not experimental. The vaccines limits transmission, keeps people safe.

Look a this ridiculous suggestion: " I could have shot up and had palsy or suddenly become riddled with cancer or had heart failure"

And this is so nonsensical: "I can tell you one thing for sure tho, I wasn't far off noting that the parrots advocating people harming themselves out of a sense of duty to others are 100% the same people who would have blindly complied with nazis in exterminating people out of a sense of duty and political correctness because the authorities are always right..."

And if you want to try and save yourself from your outlandish rant why not try and support this: "The vaccine causes the same changes to your blood that covid does"  Please try because I know you can't.

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Here is an article that states:

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U.S. deaths from heart disease spiked in 2020 at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic after a steady decline from 2010 to 2019

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/heart-disease-death-rates-spiked-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-erasing-years-of-progress

Notice that is BEFORE vaccines were available and when COVID-19 was running rampant.

And a reason is posted.

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“The COVID-19 pandemic disrupted many aspects of daily life, including access to preventive health care, which may have led to delays in detecting and treating heart disease,” Woodruff said. “We expected to see an increase in heart disease death rates among adults, however the magnitude of the increase was striking.”

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Other factors associated with the pandemic lockdown, such as lack of physical activity, increased smoking and increased alcohol use, all contributed to the higher cardiovascular death rates

That has nothing to do with the vaccine.

And the article goes on to  point out the dangers of COVID-19. Bolding mine.

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Researchers also noted that while the findings need further investigation, growing evidence suggests people who have had COVID-19 infection may be at an increased risk for new or worsening cardiovascular disease, which may have been a factor in the rising rates from 2019 to 2020.

This deserves the Mario award to the original poster for using a link that shows that they are wrong.

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On 12/9/2022 at 12:40 AM, Nicolette said:

https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html

It is not hard to see from simple observation that the original reports of covid effects and vaccine effects are similar and that the long term and serious effects of covid should have been investigated more before dosing everyone with it. While most of you will write off this video due to willful ignorance it is clear that it is dangerous. These coroner's are not lying. The effects are really serious and it no wonder cardiovascular deaths have skyrocketed. Labelling people negatively for not injecting an experimental vaccine seriously puts you on the same level as nazi supporters whether you are self aware or not. Everybody that denied the dangers of it I watched have very serious side effects from it and they still deny it because they are so brainwashed. Open your eyes and look at the death rates.

I was shunned at a parents household for not getting it and avoided for years because the SO was terrified. Told that puts others in danger. Then the same person having the fit about it because "vaccines protect you" which became "they keep you from spreading it" which became "well they make it more mild when you do get it" came to Thanksgiving 2 months into being horribly sick with covid after their entirely vaxxed family had a super spreader event. Thank goodness none of us horrible antivaxxers caught it from her. I could have shot up and had palsy or suddenly become riddled with cancer or had heart failure and still denied it like so many other people that are too dumb to just stay home when sick and keep their viruses to themselves. How rude of me to not join the idiocy. 

I can tell you one thing for sure tho, I wasn't far off noting that the parrots advocating people harming themselves out of a sense of duty to others are 100% the same people who would have blindly complied with nazis in exterminating people out of a sense of duty and political correctness because the authorities are always right...

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/heart-disease-death-rates-spiked-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-erasing-years-of-progress

Hmm can't imagine why... The vaccine causes the same changes to your blood that covid does, apparently worse from the amount of people dropping after. Not hard to see. The willful denial though, that is a much bigger danger and raises questions of why the campaign of denial and discrediting.

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Just a thought...nothing to do with vaccines.  I know of several people who died from Covid.  I personally know exactly one.  But I also personally know one person who became very,  very sick...and she tested positive for Covid and two strains of flu virus A and B.  At least that's what she said they said.

So, I asked this question early on...where are all the flu cases?  And I got a plethora of ridiculous answers. I think the real answer is that the flu virus didn't wain at all and was just as deadly as it has ever been...especially, like Covid, to those already at risk.

My thinking is that the combination of flu and Covid at the same time could very well prove deadly to practically anyone, immune compromised or what.  This would explain why the lack of flu cases...because everyone was being tested for Covid.  But not everyone who got sick got tested. And why the death count was so high.  With Covid being an extremely fast spreading virus, I can easily understand how one could end up with both at the same time.

I don't know if I have the flu or what...I have been sick for 3 days...now my fever is gone and I am just feeling the after affect...body aches, congestion...fatigue.  I never had major diarrea, no nausea, no vomiting.  No shortness of breath.  It feels like I have been sick for an entire week but in reality I woke up at 2am Friday morning with a temp of 101.9F.  two and a half days...

But the interesting thing to me is...we all went to the hospital Tuesday to see my mother.  No one else got sick, but I did.  And no one, not one blessed person was wearing a mask...not the hospital workers, not even in ICU...and we kind of came and went as we pleased. Even after visiting hours were over.  

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35 minutes ago, joc said:

Just a thought...nothing to do with vaccines.  I know of several people who died from Covid.  I personally know exactly one.  But I also personally know one person who became very,  very sick...and she tested positive for Covid and two strains of flu virus A and B.  At least that's what she said they said.

So, I asked this question early on...where are all the flu cases?  And I got a plethora of ridiculous answers. I think the real answer is that the flu virus didn't wain at all and was just as deadly as it has ever been...especially, like Covid, to those already at risk.

My thinking is that the combination of flu and Covid at the same time could very well prove deadly to practically anyone, immune compromised or what.  This would explain why the lack of flu cases...because everyone was being tested for Covid.  But not everyone who got sick got tested. And why the death count was so high.  With Covid being an extremely fast spreading virus, I can easily understand how one could end up with both at the same time.

I don't know if I have the flu or what...I have been sick for 3 days...now my fever is gone and I am just feeling the after affect...body aches, congestion...fatigue.  I never had major diarrea, no nausea, no vomiting.  No shortness of breath.  It feels like I have been sick for an entire week but in reality I woke up at 2am Friday morning with a temp of 101.9F.  two and a half days...

But the interesting thing to me is...we all went to the hospital Tuesday to see my mother.  No one else got sick, but I did.  And no one, not one blessed person was wearing a mask...not the hospital workers, not even in ICU...and we kind of came and went as we pleased. Even after visiting hours were over.  

Quite a reasonable idea.

Influenza is a DNA based virus. COVID-19 is an RNA based virus. Easy to separate out the two.

Flu deaths were down because masking and lock downs worked on the flu as they did on COVID-19. COVID-19 is still more lethal than the flu.

I have some thinking that people are typically only infected with one virus at a time. Not sure why I think that. I'll have to investigate. I'm probably wrong on that. I'll take a look and see what I can find.

 

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12 hours ago, joc said:

Just a thought...nothing to do with vaccines.  I know of several people who died from Covid.  I personally know exactly one.  But I also personally know one person who became very,  very sick...and she tested positive for Covid and two strains of flu virus A and B.  At least that's what she said they said.

So, I asked this question early on...where are all the flu cases?  And I got a plethora of ridiculous answers. I think the real answer is that the flu virus didn't wain at all and was just as deadly as it has ever been...especially, like Covid, to those already at risk.

My thinking is that the combination of flu and Covid at the same time could very well prove deadly to practically anyone, immune compromised or what.  This would explain why the lack of flu cases...because everyone was being tested for Covid.  But not everyone who got sick got tested. And why the death count was so high.  With Covid being an extremely fast spreading virus, I can easily understand how one could end up with both at the same time.

I don't know if I have the flu or what...I have been sick for 3 days...now my fever is gone and I am just feeling the after affect...body aches, congestion...fatigue.  I never had major diarrea, no nausea, no vomiting.  No shortness of breath.  It feels like I have been sick for an entire week but in reality I woke up at 2am Friday morning with a temp of 101.9F.  two and a half days...

But the interesting thing to me is...we all went to the hospital Tuesday to see my mother.  No one else got sick, but I did.  And no one, not one blessed person was wearing a mask...not the hospital workers, not even in ICU...and we kind of came and went as we pleased. Even after visiting hours were over.  

Wow.  In New Mexico you have to wear a mask to get in the door of any hospital.   And most doctors visits require a mask (the dermatologist that didn't 5 months ago, has again).   

I agree with you that the flu never took a hiatus, the focus has been on covid for so long people don't even think about the flu but it is still around and still virulent to people with suppressed immune systems.

We have so many case of Covid, Flu, RSV (mostly children for that one) that our biggest hospital has a triag tent set up in the parking lot.  They have no rooms, no more space to put people in the halls etc.  Much like all the hospitals in NY city in 2020.    The other hospitals are also full, but they are less reputable so they don't have tents set up yet.   If you can't get in to one of those ER's the go to is the University Hospital, which is the largest in the state.   Covid mutates faster than the flu.

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On 12/12/2022 at 11:59 AM, joc said:

Just a thought...nothing to do with vaccines.  I know of several people who died from Covid.  I personally know exactly one.  But I also personally know one person who became very,  very sick...and she tested positive for Covid and two strains of flu virus A and B.  At least that's what she said they said.

So, I asked this question early on...where are all the flu cases?  And I got a plethora of ridiculous answers. I think the real answer is that the flu virus didn't wain at all and was just as deadly as it has ever been...especially, like Covid, to those already at risk.

My thinking is that the combination of flu and Covid at the same time could very well prove deadly to practically anyone, immune compromised or what.  This would explain why the lack of flu cases...because everyone was being tested for Covid.  But not everyone who got sick got tested. And why the death count was so high.  With Covid being an extremely fast spreading virus, I can easily understand how one could end up with both at the same time.

I don't know if I have the flu or what...I have been sick for 3 days...now my fever is gone and I am just feeling the after affect...body aches, congestion...fatigue.  I never had major diarrea, no nausea, no vomiting.  No shortness of breath.  It feels like I have been sick for an entire week but in reality I woke up at 2am Friday morning with a temp of 101.9F.  two and a half days...

But the interesting thing to me is...we all went to the hospital Tuesday to see my mother.  No one else got sick, but I did.  And no one, not one blessed person was wearing a mask...not the hospital workers, not even in ICU...and we kind of came and went as we pleased. Even after visiting hours were over.  

I know a couple PCR tests I got came back as not Covid, but a flu. I know quite a few people who got the same result. 

I don't think it went away at all. I am usually pretty susceptible to a flu but the extra measures people were taking meant I hardly got anything during the crisis periods. It was reduced but still as active as ever. 

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