4 college students found murdered In Idaho.

[Raptor Witness]

5 hours ago, susieice said:

They were beautiful young women. All 5 of them really. I'm sure they attracted some male attention when they were out in town or on campus. Someone casing that house may not have even expected Ethan to be there.

Many men fanticize about a three way, like that, and yes, they were beautiful. If someone misread the potential situation, and got embarassed or overstepped the line, it could have created the type of anger we see at the crime scene. I think that's why Hoodie Guy was helping the two girls get home, and we've even heard that he may have been hoping for something sexual to happen, because he might have known or heard they were into that sort of thing.

I attended a rural agricultural college, similar in size to this place in Moscow, but where there were more men, than women; which created an unusual set of behaviors. If you were nice looking, and an athletic man, you got hit on by as many guys .... as girls, and these were not just gay men, contrary to some misconceptions about college exploration. Greek culture just adds to the "anything goes" when you're drunk, rule, if that's even a rule.  Before anyone reading this, assumes anything, I was pretty good in college, in part because I was a resident assistant, and I got paid to be the adult. I also avoided Greek culture, because I didn't see the added value of partying like they did, in exchange for their friendship. 

I'm now focused on the potential of someone dangerous, who was made to feel awkward, and regretting something they did with these girls, and were angered by it.

Edited December 1, 2022 by Raptor Witness

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Raptor Witness said:

Many men fanticize about a three way, like that, and yes, they were beautiful. If someone misread the potential situation, and got embarassed or overstepped the line, it could have created the type of anger we see at the crime scene. I think that's why Hoodie Guy was helping them get home, and we've even heard that he may have been hoping for a three way, because he might have known or heard they were into that sort of thing.

If this was a person who had been in the home before, their DNA could be anywhere, and they won't be able to catch this person, using DNA, unless there was copius amounts of their blood at the scene.

The caveat to this theory, is the lack of apparent sexual contact with the victims, unless this is being fabricated by the police. I wouldn't expect to see that, if this was a sexually motivated crime.

If they led any of the guys on, at the bar, this could have set the stage for this type of thing, where someone felt teased and were angry at being rejected.

It's a bit unfair, not to know the truth of the possible motivation, because how can the police know what information will help catch the killer, now that we have another angle to this. Now, citizens can think back, especially people who were at the Corner Bar, and remember if anyone got angry at these girls, about anything.

Hi Raptor

Sounds like you are getting a woodie thinking about this

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 hour ago, Raptor Witness said:

Many men fanticize about a three way, like that, and yes, they were beautiful. If someone misread the potential situation, and got embarassed or overstepped the line, it could have created the type of anger we see at the crime scene. I think that's why Hoodie Guy was helping the two girls get home, and we've even heard that he may have been hoping for something sexual to happen, because he might have known or heard they were into that sort of thing.

I attended a rural agricultural college, similar in size to this place in Moscow, but where there were more men, than women; which created an unusual set of behaviors. If you were nice looking, and an athletic man, you got hit on by as many guys .... as girls, and these were not just gay men, contrary to some misconceptions about college exploration. Greek culture just adds to the "anything goes" when you're drunk, rule, if that's even a rule.  Before anyone reading this, assumes anything, I was pretty good in college, in part because I was a resident assistant, and I got paid to be the adult. I also avoided Greek culture, because I didn't see the added value of partying like they did, in exchange for their friendship. 

I'm now focused on the potential of someone dangerous, who was made to feel awkward, and regretting something they did with these girls, and were angered by it.

What do the Greeks have to do with horny students?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

23 hours ago, susieice said:

Social media appears to have made it's own suspect from a neighbor of the girls.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/30/neighbor-of-slain-idaho-students-denies-murderer-rumors/

A neighbor of the four murdered University of Idaho students has denied rumors online that he may be responsible for the shocking crime — and blasted the “ruthless” social media sleuths behind the dangerous speculation.

Jeremy Reagan, a third-year law student who describes himself as “socially awkward,” has attracted attention on social media for publicly opining about the stabbing deaths of four friends while they slept in the small college town of Moscow.

“I didn’t do it. I have nothing to hide. I’m willing to give DNA, fingerprints, whatever they need,” an exasperated Reagan told CourtTV on Tuesday.

When asked what he believed the speculation stemmed from, Reagan suggested it could be his lack of composure when giving interviews.

“I’m naturally an awkward person, just my mannerisms, the way I talk … my natural person, just a little bit socially awkward so I might smile at points that I shouldn’t, I might make weird hand movements when I shouldn’t,” he said.

Ohh here comes the digital lynch mobs.

[Raptor Witness]

16 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

What do the Greeks have to do with horny students?

Greek student organization, the fraternities and sororities.

[HollyDolly]

 Well I find it weird that there were two other people in the house who were not attacked, UNLESS the 4 that were killed were the targets, but still there had to be screams  or other noises going on that unless they were dead drunk or  so out of it(drug stupor) they didn't hear anything. Even if they heard some sort of noises, like screams , and kept quiet,, you would think they would have gone and still called the cops from their hiding spot. Look up Richard Speck and his killing those nurses in Chicago years ago. One person did that. One person could have done this too. As far as this guy they called  maybe he was a drug dealer? I think these two girls who survived unscathed, had something to do with the killing.Either they did it themselves, or they know who did it, like a drug dealer .

[docyabut2]

If Kaylee  Madison did sleep together and Ethan Xana  slept  together, and a unconscious a roommate  found in the hallway must be Xana . So Ethan must been the first one stabbed   I believe Ethan was the target 

Edited December 1, 2022 by docyabut2

[+susieice]

Those two girls heard something. Maybe a lot. I can understand that they were scared. Police aren't going to say.

[+susieice]

Now again tonight CNN is reporting that the police think the students were targeted. 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/us/university-of-idaho-students-killed-thursday/index.html

CNN — 

After a day of confusing statements, police investigating last month’s killings of four University of Idaho students emphasized Thursday they still believe the attack was targeted – though they haven’t concluded “if the target was the residence or its occupants.”

Thursday’s police statement about targeting comes after police corrected a prosecutor’s comments on the matter – and in the process said something that appeared to depart from their previous stance about a case that has put the college town on edge, with no arrests made or any motive announced.

 

The latest sequence began Wednesday, when Moscow police released a statement saying the prosecutor in Idaho’s Latah County erroneously said this week that “the suspect(s) specifically looked at this residence,” and “that one or more of the occupants were undoubtedly targeted.”

How definitive the prosecutor’s statements were, however, reflected a “miscommunication,” Moscow police said in Wednesday’s release.

Edited December 2, 2022 by susieice

[Raptor Witness]

10 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Raptor

Sounds like you are getting a woodie thinking about this

Sex and violence doesn’t do anything for me. 

I walked out of my first X-Rated flick, with a mixed group of college friends, back when they were still showing these, on the big screen, once a week. 

When I got up to leave, it was a scene involving two women, and my friends joined me in leaving. Everyone seemed embarrassed, because we were a sheltered crowd of young people.

We weren’t celibate, however. 

[docyabut2]

Detectives are aware of a sixth person listed on the lease at the residence but do not believe that individual was present during the incident.

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24808/12-01-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

 

so he must had been living or renting a vacant room  in one of those bedrooms on the second or third floor  

Edited December 2, 2022 by docyabut2
adding

[docyabut2]

 

The killer might have had  a sky mask on  like this one and gloves on. The victims couldn't get the  killer`s DNA by scratching the killer 

 

   

Edited December 2, 2022 by docyabut2

[jmccr8]

11 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

Sex and violence doesn’t do anything for me. 

I walked out of my first X-Rated flick, with a mixed group of college friends, back when they were still showing these, on the big screen, once a week. 

When I got up to leave, it was a scene involving two women, and my friends joined me in leaving. Everyone seemed embarrassed, because we were a sheltered crowd of young people.

We weren’t celibate, however. 

Hi Raptor

I asked you to show some discretion and respect for the girls by not making the kinds of speculations you have which you ignored. It comes across as petty and disrespectful given you don’t know and are casting baseless suppositions about with no regard.

So what about you walking out of a porn flick years ago your mind is in the gutter now. Have you ever lost a friend in this kind of manner?

Many years ago I was at a female friend’s place when another person she knew brought a stranger to her house and there was something unsettling about him. After some discussion it came up that he had just been released from prison and in a halfway house. He didn’t say why he had been in prison but did say it was a 20 year bit so I assumed it was for killing someone.

I told my friend never to let him or the the fellow that brought him there back into her house. Not a week later he murdered another girl that I know that had 2 children and dumped her naked body in the middle of an intersection on a major route early in the morning.

What happened to those students is both sad and terrible and you casting unfounded speculation on them is distasteful and shows no respect. Let the police sort things out properly then give disclosure.

Edited December 2, 2022 by jmccr8

[+susieice]

22 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Ohh here comes the digital lynch mobs.

Jeremy has gone to the police station and submitted a DNA swab to hush the rumors. At least as far as the police are concerned.

Forgot to add my link:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/jeremy-reagan-neighbor-of-idaho-murder-victims-submits-dna-to-police/ar-AA14PtBU

Edited December 2, 2022 by susieice

[Raptor Witness]

2 minutes ago, susieice said:

Jeremy has gone to the police station and submitted a DNA swab to hush the rumors. At least as far as the police are concerned.

Poor guy ….. if he is the killer, he should get an Academy award.

[+susieice]

@jmccr8 First, I want to say I'm so sorry to hear about your friend's close call. She's really lucky she had you there to give her good advice.

I've been sitting here thinking about everything the parents have said and what's been released. It does make sense. Kaylee had only came to the house for a couple of days to show her friends her new car. Her parents said she was back at home and she would be. She wouldn't be paying rent for the month of December as she was graduating, probably before the Christmas break, and would be relocating to Texas to take her new job. They had probably already moved out her furniture, so when she went back for the weekend, she bunked with her bff. No drama there. That could be why the girls called Jack, or Jake, or whatever his name is numerous times when they got home. He was her on/off boyfriend in college and it's possible she was just hoping to be able to see him before she left to go back to her parents. She was likely planning to leave Sunday night or Monday morning when her friends went back to classes and started getting ready to go home themselves for Thanksgiving. Maybe she hadn't been able to get a hold of him earlier. That wouldn't be surprising to me. It's all linked in here and it makes sense. At least to me. Now the sixth roommate makes sense too. Nothing says when they signed this lease. Only that they weren't at the house that night. The girls probably advertised in the sororities for a new roommate after Kaylee left. It wouldn't take long to find one. They would have moved in in December. No need to toss in a lot of drama here.

Ethan didn't live there either and was just there that night visiting with his girlfriend. I can see the difficulty in finding out if someone was targeted or not. Two of the four victims were only there by chance. Or was the killer someone who knew the two would be there that night? I'm sure police are looking at this. They aren't saying anything and they aren't going to. We don't know what Xana's family learned from the private detectives either as they promised police that they wouldn't publicly divulge it.

The police and the prosecuters have both said there is no evidence showing that drugs were involved so I'll let it go at that until told otherwise by officials. 

Is this making sense to you? It sure does to me. A lot more than other things I've heard. Maybe it's just me but I don't work for FOX or CNN and Saru doesn't pay me for yellow journalism. I'm just putting my theory out there and I'm not seeing a need to toss in a lot of drama where it doesn't need to be.

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by susieice

[Raptor Witness]

59 minutes ago, susieice said:

She wouldn't be paying rent for the month of December as she was graduating, probably before the Christmas break,

I heard somewhere that she wasn't graduating, until January of 2023.

As for your assessment of the sleeping arangements, it's entirely possible you are correct.

Now we're hearing from official sources that they don't know if it's the people who were targeted, or the house, which I find a bit odd. Why would an address possibly be the target?

[+susieice]

47 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

I heard somewhere that she wasn't graduating, until January of 2023.

As for your assessment of the sleeping arangements, it's entirely possible you are correct.

Now we're hearing from official sources that they don't know if it's the people who were targeted, or the house, which I find a bit odd. Why would an address possibly be the target?

I posted the link somewhere in here Raptor. She was graduating in December and had a job lined up in Texas. I think it was in Houston. She probably would have spent the holidays with her family and relocated to her job after New Years in January.

I don't know why the police may think it was the house that was targeted unless they found out about someone during the investigation that has issues with college kids and the partying that accompanies them. At the least, they throw drinking parties which can get pretty loud.

This whole attack has all the signs of being personal and full of anger.

Edited December 2, 2022 by susieice

[docyabut2]

 The house that was targeted? it could be a psycho veteran neighbor that was fed up with the noise.:(  

Edited December 2, 2022 by docyabut2

[jmccr8]

2 hours ago, susieice said:

@jmccr8 First, I want to say I'm so sorry to hear about your friend's close call. She's really lucky she had you there to give her good advice.

I've been sitting here thinking about everything the parents have said and what's been released. It does make sense. Kaylee had only came to the house for a couple of days to show her friends her new car. Her parents said she was back at home and she would be. She wouldn't be paying rent for the month of December as she was graduating, probably before the Christmas break, and would be relocating to Texas to take her new job. They had probably already moved out her furniture, so when she went back for the weekend, she bunked with her bff. No drama there. That could be why the girls called Jack, or Jake, or whatever his name is numerous times when they got home. He was her on/off boyfriend in college and it's possible she was just hoping to be able to see him before she left to go back to her parents. She was likely planning to leave Sunday night or Monday morning when her friends went back to classes and started getting ready to go home themselves for Thanksgiving. Maybe she hadn't been able to get a hold of him earlier. That wouldn't be surprising to me. It's all linked in here and it makes sense. At least to me. Now the sixth roommate makes sense too. Nothing says when they signed this lease. Only that they weren't at the house that night. The girls probably advertised in the sororities for a new roommate after Kaylee left. It wouldn't take long to find one. They would have moved in in December. No need to toss in a lot of drama here.

Ethan didn't live there either and was just there that night visiting with his girlfriend. I can see the difficulty in finding out if someone was targeted or not. Two of the four victims were only there by chance. Or was the killer someone who knew the two would be there that night? I'm sure police are looking at this. They aren't saying anything and they aren't going to. We don't know what Xana's family learned from the private detectives either as they promised police that they wouldn't publicly divulge it.

The police and the prosecuters have both said there is no evidence showing that drugs were involved so I'll let it go at that until told otherwise by officials. 

Is this making sense to you? It sure does to me. A lot more than other things I've heard. Maybe it's just me but I don't work for FOX or CNN and Saru doesn't pay me for yellow journalism. I'm just putting my theory out there and I'm not seeing a need to toss in a lot of drama where it doesn't need to be.

 

Hi Susieice

Thanks, unfortunately I still lost a friend because of that fellow.

Yes there doesn’t seem to be anything odd about the circumstances of why the girls were found together and think you have stated it well in your post

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

2 hours ago, susieice said:

Jeremy has gone to the police station and submitted a DNA swab to hush the rumors. At least as far as the police are concerned.

Forgot to add my link:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/jeremy-reagan-neighbor-of-idaho-murder-victims-submits-dna-to-police/ar-AA14PtBU

Won’t stop the digital lynch mob. 

[jmccr8]

20 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

 The house that was targeted? it could be a psycho veteran neighbor that was fed up with the noise.:(  

Hi Docy

Most people call the cops if they have a problem with a neighbour. We don’t know why this happened yet nor do we know how many assailants there were. It could have just been some drug crazed nut that didn’t know any of them and saw an opportunity to go on a kill spree.

[docyabut2]

 most kids do blast music:(

[+ouija ouija]

I think Susie is probably right about the layout of the house saving the girls on the lowest floor. Something that one of the commentators in one of the videos mentioned has stayed in my mind. He said that there was something special about the weapon used, suggesting that it was important to the killer . . . it wasn't any old kitchen knife that was bought a couple of days before the murders. The weapon has not been found and I'm wondering if the murderer took it home with him because it was so important to him . . . a sort of talisman . . . maybe something he has had for quite some time that was bought with the idea of using it to kill someone, but without a particular victim in mind at that time, something central to his plan of murder. I have a feeling he planned to commit murder whenever the opportunity presented itself . . . he didn't have anyone in particular in mind.  Just my thoughts.

[Likely Guy]

4 minutes ago, ouija ouija said:

I have a feeling he planned to commit murder whenever the opportunity presented itself . . . he didn't have anyone in particular in mind.  Just my thoughts.

I have the same feeling in that it was a crime of opportunity spurred on by the urge to murder.