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18 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Well, you sure did nail trump perfectly.

The logic driven part of me asks  why anyone that believes in personal responsibility and being a stand up person with big boy pants would  look at a guy saying he is a victim and nothing is his fault  then say, "Yeah, that's my boy, my choice to be leader of the free world"?

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2 hours ago, the13bats said:

I dont need your permission when i can post.

Yes, you came in bashing the forum and members having a friendly discussion you added nothing to the threads subject all you have done is complained.

I hope its out of your system now.

Kids! I'll turn this car around!

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2 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

The logic driven part of me asks  why anyone that believes in personal responsibility and being a stand up person with big boy pants would  look at a guy saying he is a victim and nothing is his fault  then say, "Yeah, that's my boy, my choice to be leader of the free world"?

Idk, the last few years as i have gotten older and not felt as well so i see things more cynical and realistic.

Your statement above hits the nail on the head again and answers your question for me in a way yet at the same time makes it more perplexing to me, i know people who their go to is anger, rage, belittling others blaming others for everything especially what they are doing and causing so at face value i might jump to thinking birds of a feather flock together but not really in this case because if we get 2 people like that together its chaos.

Perhaps and im just speculating with trump fans they see themselves in him and his actions so it valadates them to both worship him and act like that, they wont ever be in a room with him so no problem there, its i guess in basic form just a hate filled loathsome personality type who lives by bullying others.

Since these types are very self centered a guy like trump running things fits perfectly he acts that way and they can copy it. Lots of fatal flaws.

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22 minutes ago, Portre said:

Kids! I'll turn this car around!

Good luck on that.

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14 hours ago, Michelle said:

Unexplained Mysteries needs to change it's name to "All Trump, All the Time" or simply "The Trump Forums". Some people need to get life, which I have been doing much more of late. I don't personally know any Democrats who are this obsessed and they are a lot more fun to be around. It's immensely cut down the active membership here I know for a fact. It may as well be, what is it, 4Chan but for Lefties if it's anything like I've heard 4Chan is.

It's OK when it's a Biden bashing thread though hey......

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/351665-joe-biden-after-10-months-worst-president-ever/

 

 

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3 hours ago, the13bats said:

Um, if desanctimonious runs GOP trump runs lol indy ( on your dime ahem dollars ) and a bag of rocks runs dem, trump will still be 3rd place.

And where will the RINO Party be in the lineup?  You seem to be having trouble actually reading what I'm writing.  I KNOW Trump would lose.  The difference is that the RINO party faithful who are okay with the DC shuffle, will ALSO LOSE.  Unlike you and a few others here, they will understand this and if you expect any Uniparty member to fall on their sword, it's you that's delusional.  I no longer care what the Dems do in DC as long as they don't send enforcers to MY door.  This last election tells me Americans in too many numbers are too stupid to live as free people so let them kneel under the Dems for a few terms.  I'm okay with that as long as the lying RINOs go down as well. ;) 

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9 minutes ago, and-then said:

And where will the RINO Party be in the lineup?  You seem to be having trouble actually reading what I'm writing.  I KNOW Trump would lose.  The difference is that the RINO party faithful who are okay with the DC shuffle, will ALSO LOSE.  Unlike you and a few others here, they will understand this and if you expect any Uniparty member to fall on their sword, it's you that's delusional.  I no longer care what the Dems do in DC as long as they don't send enforcers to MY door.  This last election tells me Americans in too many numbers are too stupid to live as free people so let them kneel under the Dems for a few terms.  I'm okay with that as long as the lying RINOs go down as well. ;) 

Lets be fair and give you the credit you deserve A lot of people here have a hell of a time not in reading what you are writing but trying to figure out wth you are ranting and raving about.

"Rino" if i understand in the context you are using it its just another of BOMs name calling to those who didnt bend a knee to him or as fully as he demanded, afaik "rino" isnt a "party" so your question where will they be or play in all this is moot, rino will be where ever they now are.

Is there a group who do call themselves "rino" and if so what do they claim it stands for and are they creating a new party for it will there be a sister to it called "dino" meaning Democrat in name only?

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8 hours ago, susieice said:

FOX did cut away before the speech ended. I don't know if they showed Biden because I changed channels.

Looks like the exit was more expensive than the entrance. Security, as it appeared, prevented people to leave the weirdoshow.

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43 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Lets be fair and give you the credit you deserve A lot of people here have a hell of a time not in reading what you are writing but trying to figure out wth you are ranting and raving about.

"Rino" if i understand in the context you are using it its just another of BOMs name calling to those who didnt bend a knee to him or as fully as he demanded, afaik "rino" isnt a "party" so your question where will they be or play in all this is moot, rino will be where ever they now are.

Is there a group who do call themselves "rino" and if so what do they claim it stands for and are they creating a new party for it will there be a sister to it called "dino" meaning Democrat in name only?

ATs RINO is any Republicans who aren't full blown MAGA whackos.

This is from the group that thinks people who don't love tRump must have been brainwashed.

That's what I get from his descriptions. He's been ranting about RINOs a bit lately.

Republican In Name Only. 

Personally that's more how I would describe MAGA whackjobs.

 

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11 hours ago, Robotic Jew said:

You think that Pence is going to be able to win with the entirety of MAGA against him

Yes I do believe that Mike Pence has the ability to win the Presidential election in 2024, especially with Governor Desantis as his running mate. I also believe that if you look at the power base of MAGA Donald Trump isn’t what gives MAGA it’s power. The power base of MAGA is the same power base it has existedin the Republican Party which is actually the Conservative Christian Right and the MAGA slogan is just another reincarnation that identifies it. Ronald Reagan started the MAGA slogan for the very the same reason 36 years before Donald Trump was nominated and ran for President in 2016. However the difference between Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump is the fact the Conservative Christian Right rallied around Ronald Reagan directly because both Ronald and his wife Nancy were respected members of the Conservative Christian community. In, 2016 Donald Trump did not have a connection to the Conservative Christian Right other than the fact his name was well known. That was only do to the fact that Americans everywhere were aware of the Trump Brand because Donald’s father Frank had built Real Estate Empire under the Trump Brand.

So in order for Donald to have any chance of securing the Republican Party nomination he needed to secure the support of the Conservative Christian Right. Here is where then Governor Mike Pence became the most important asset Donald needed to have any chance of securing the Republican Party nomination and winning the Presidency. Governor Pence was a very well known and respected Conservative Evangelical Christian and somehow Trump and Pence met and joined forces which allowed  Donald Trump to become the 45th President of the United States. Well during the Trump Administration it became very obvious that Trump certainly was not a Christian and by the Presidential election of 2020 a large percentage of both Conservative and non-Conservative Christians no longer felt comfortable supporting Donald Trump. Since 2020 Christian support for Donald Trump has waned even more where as on the other hand Conservative Christian support for Mike Pence has only grown.

The Midterm Elections had many surprises for both the Democratic Party and Republican Parties. This Midterm election should have been the RedTide predicted, and it would have been if Donald Trump had stayed out of the picture but his need for self adoration and attention would not allow that to occur. So as always, Trump attempted to make ALL SUCCESSES about him while shifting the blame for all negative or unsuccessful aspects of any situations that arose on to anyone around him that he possibly could. In addition from the Republican loss in 2020 to this very day Trump has made the division with in the Republican Party only wider and much more obvious. The culmination of that was was the very poor Republican performance at the recent 2022 Midterm Elections. No matter how hard Trump tries to avert attention away from the fact that he was responsible for the loss he is fooling no one. Because Republican Representatives and the average American who identifies as a Republican voter can now clearly see Donald Trump for what he really is, which is a fraudulent fictional character.

So, on January 6, 2021 during the official Electoral Certification Trump again only considering his personal self interests decided to hold a Rally a short distance from the United States Capital was done for the two following reasons:

1.  The real reason that Donald Trump held the Rally during the electoral vote certification was so that he would be close to the Capital when the factual electoral vote documentation was switched with the fraudulent documents. There was already an individual in place inside the Capital who would contact trump as the controversy over the switch began so he could show up to take actions designed prevent the certification from continuing which was planned and also could easily have become a permanent change giving Donald Trump another term in office.

2.  However, the attempt failed for one reason Vice President Mike would not violate constitutional law, sacrifice his personal integrity, sacrifice his Christian Evangelical Beliefs by supporting the illegal activities the activities which all other members of Trumps Cabinet minus the Chair of the Joints Chiefs Staff General Miley were involved in. So, as the Capital was over run and insurrectionists along with rioters were actual hunting for members of the House - Senate  while chanting hang Mike Pence. While this was occurring  President Trump was watching the events occur on television, almost immediately numerous phone calls from the Capital to the White House we’re coming from Congressmen - Senators attempting to speak with Trump concerning help from additional security forces. However, he would not  except any phone calls so no help was sent to support Capital law enforcement.

During this period of time Presidential AIDS and other personnel were pleading with Trump so that he would send help to the Capital, all of this was to no avail because  President Trump took no action for approximately 2 hours. At the Capital Vice President and his wife and daughter were taken to a secure area, when the Vice President was informed by others that President Trump was taking no actions the Vice President toook complete control of the entire situation and it was only because of his do diligence that the additional police and security personnel where dispatched to the Capital. Once the Capital was secure again, Vice President Pence and other congressional leadership finished the Electoral vote certification official President Biden became the 46th President of the United States

11 hours ago, Robotic Jew said:

 

That's a pretty large portion of the party and there were many who were trying to murder the man on telvision. 

The Capital Insurrection harmed the Republican Party much more than it appeared and again this was Trumps fault and the Republican Party leadership including his friends think that with all I have stated along with all the criminal litigation he is currently involved in he is a personal liability to the Republican Party as whole. Since January 6, 2921 the blame for that day has clearly shifted away from the sham that Donald Trump tried to make out to be, to fully being his fault. This opinion is shared-by both our Republican Representatives and the American people in general are now place the blame squarely on Donald Trumps shoulders. The hero that day was Mike Pence for two reasons, first he prevented the illegal switching of falsified Electoral vote certification documents. But, Mike Pence more than any other current candidates that may run for the President in 2024, Mike Pence has a very important backer that will support his Presidency and that is the Evangelical Christian Leadership Nationwide. The Evangelical Christian Faith is one of the most powerful Christian organizations in the United States, and they have the ability to sway other Christian Organizations.

 So sincerely In all reality MAGA Is in anyway a threat for Mike Pence if he were to chose to run for ‘President. To get the Republican nomination for President you must have the majority of the conservative Christian vote. Without that majority the Republican nomination for President is possible and Trump certainly does have that majority.

Sorry it took so long for me to respond! :tu:

 

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/14/trump-motive-mar-a-lago-documents/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

THIS^ is the party that is still trying to destroy him and every one of you who hate him so much, haven't even bothered to ask if the claims that were made back then, were true.  Why?  Because it doesn't MATTER TO YOU.  You will jump onboard every new attack, accusation, or slander if it seems it might stop Trump.  Tell me... is there anyone else in your own lives you've hated to this extent?  

WaPo just admitted there was none of the serious stuff in those documents that every one of you were so panicked about.  Apologies?  Anyone?

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2 hours ago, the13bats said:

Lets be fair and give you the credit you deserve A lot of people here have a hell of a time not in reading what you are writing but trying to figure out wth you are ranting and raving about.

"Rino" if i understand in the context you are using it its just another of BOMs name calling to those who didnt bend a knee to him or as fully as he demanded, afaik "rino" isnt a "party" so your question where will they be or play in all this is moot, rino will be where ever they now are.

Is there a group who do call themselves "rino" and if so what do they claim it stands for and are they creating a new party for it will there be a sister to it called "dino" meaning Democrat in name only?

And another member here calls the select committee, the un-select committee, just like BOM and they cannot see their own cult like personality underneath the hatred of the other party.

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4 hours ago, tonecop45 said:

I am just trying to participate in a discussion but in another thread you are accusing me of taking things personally when in fact you are the one based on what you wrote here. 

The other poster said, directly, "People like you" to bats. How should he not take that personally, as it is direct at him? 

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7 minutes ago, and-then said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/14/trump-motive-mar-a-lago-documents/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

THIS^ is the party that is still trying to destroy him and every one of you who hate him so much, haven't even bothered to ask if the claims that were made back then, were true.  Why?  Because it doesn't MATTER TO YOU.  You will jump onboard every new attack, accusation, or slander if it seems it might stop Trump.  Tell me... is there anyone else in your own lives you've hated to this extent?  

WaPo just admitted there was none of the serious stuff in those documents that every one of you were so panicked about.  Apologies?  Anyone?

still illegal 

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47 minutes ago, and-then said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/14/trump-motive-mar-a-lago-documents/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

THIS^ is the party that is still trying to destroy him and every one of you who hate him so much, haven't even bothered to ask if the claims that were made back then, were true.  Why?  Because it doesn't MATTER TO YOU.  You will jump onboard every new attack, accusation, or slander if it seems it might stop Trump.  Tell me... is there anyone else in your own lives you've hated to this extent?  

WaPo just admitted there was none of the serious stuff in those documents that every one of you were so panicked about.  Apologies?  Anyone?

What admission from WaPo are you even talking about? 

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7 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Basically the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Joe Biden: "There aren't many real Republicans left"..... basically the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. 

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Just now, Paranoid Android said:

Joe Biden: "There aren't many real Republicans left"..... basically the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. 

Basically the tu quoque fallacy.  Or, to put colloquially "whataboutism".

Is it Pavlovian with you now?

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This thread is a train wreck of anti-Trump sentiments. The vast majority of posts are just excuses by the progressive members to make fun of Donald Trump, and not provide any actual constructive feedback or criticisms. It was fun to read, though. I got many a laugh from those catastrophising the situation :w00t: 

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11 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Basically the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Nailed it.

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2 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

This thread is a train wreck of anti-Trump sentiments. The vast majority of posts are just excuses by the progressive members to make fun of Donald Trump, and not provide any actual constructive feedback or criticisms. It was fun to read, though. I got many a laugh from those catastrophising the situation :w00t: 

Nice identity politics. 

"Anyone, not a Trump apologist is progressive."

:rolleyes:

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Just now, Golden Duck said:

 (Basically the tu quoque fallacy.  Or, to put colloquially "whataboutism".

Is it Pavlovian with you now?

Just pointing out how you love to bring this up when it's the Republicans doing the No-True-Scotsmaning (yes, I used that as an adjective - sue me). But the democrats doing the No-True-Scotsmaning is ignored by you. 

Yes, I do the same thing (I have ignored things done by Republican politicians and then accused Democrats of basically the same thing). And I am constantly called out for it. That is all I'm doing - calling you out on it! 

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3 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

Joe Biden: "There aren't many real Republicans left"..... basically the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. 

Basically what MAGA kooks have already proposed yeah?. Like what AT posts constantly 

A good leader listens to his people.

 

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