Trump to announce 2024 run

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4 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Maga to the core.

 

I can't imagine what Trump sees there. She's a liability. 

Yes, Kamala did well. She's doing this whole thing properly, Trump in the other hand is winging it and that showed in the debate. 

And, as you yourself posted, IIRC, that many of Trump's people did not want anything to do with her...

If she was the highest example of MAGA than all Don's people would praise her. That they dont, leads me to believe that the mainline GOP, and even the mainline Trumpers, arent as bad as some try to project them as.

Trump definitely seemed to be winging it at the debate. He assumed an easy victory, and got kicked in the face for that assumption.

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Just wanted to ask. What's fuel doing there? It's dropped quite a bit here and I just heard on the news it's likely to continue to drop. Lowest prices ice seen in a long time. Years I would say.

I just moved to South Carolina. See my thread in the Community Lounge.

Prices here are like $2.50 to $2.70, per gallon. Back in Oregon its still around $3.50 to $4.00, per gallon.

News said prices dropped $0.12 here recently.

[Gromdor]

Just now, DieChecker said:

And, as you yourself posted, IIRC, that many of Trump's people did not want anything to do with her...

If she was the highest example of MAGA than all Don's people would praise her. That they dont, leads me to believe that the mainline GOP, and even the mainline Trumpers, arent as bad as some try to project them as.

Trump definitely seemed to be winging it at the debate. He assumed an easy victory, and got kicked in the face for that assumption.

I just moved to South Carolina. See my thread in the Community Lounge.

Prices here are like $2.50 to $2.70, per gallon. Back in Oregon its still around $3.50 to $4.00, per gallon.

News said prices dropped $0.12 here recently.

You are in a bunch of rain right now.  I just got back from spending the weekend in Florida for a birthday party. We flew down through Charlottesville, NC but flew back via Chicago.  

But yeah, prices vary greatly for things, state by state.  People want to live in overpopulated places but then complain that housing and food is so expensive.

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4 hours ago, psyche101 said:

She only has to provide enough facts for people to question enough to seek out answers themselves.

Trump's idiotic claims about post birth abortions are easily seen as lies right up front. Few people are actually that stupid. And from that we can see Kamala is more accurate with facts than Donald. 

Education is the first step. If people blindly believed abortion is fine without considering the issue carefully, then that's just as bad imo. Right side of the fence, wrong way to get there. 

There are many places where the language of the law does allow for late term, and/or partial birth abortions. Most that I've heard/read about were illegal where they happened.

Eight states have no language preventing late term abortion.

It doesnt happen very often. But there are examples out there. Some reporters have posed as pregnant women and asked questions of abortion providers. About late term abortions, who then will tell them "YES" on the phone, and ask them to come in and fill out documents. 

Frankly, if a state wants to set limits. The state should set a limit. If the people of the state dont like it, they can vote in another governor/legislature. Or move. Or just travel to another state for the service.

I feel traveling to another state, which costs maybe several hundred dollars, for a procedure that statistically will only be once, or twice, in a lifetime, is not too much to ask if your state bans abortion. 

It shouldnt, IMHO, be considered "birth control", but actually is a medical procedure. Birth Control stops pregnancy from happening. Condoms, birth control pills, day after pills... Abortion is a medical procedure where the woman can die. Its not birth control. 

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I am going to argue that's not evidence either. 

Cat lady is an American citizen and a mental patient. Not connected to pet eating but a disorder 

And yet she exists, is of Haitian decent, and did eat a cat.

Ive found other articles online of people eating cats in the USA, but none substatiated, and most (racistly?) referring to "Africans".

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I knew there was a link explaining goose man. Just had to find it. Here you go, no geese were eaten.

The Ohio Division of Wildlife told TMZ that the man was picking up the two geese that had been hit by a car in Columbus, which is about 45 minutes from Springfield, where Trump had previously claimed that migrants were chowing down on the birds.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ohio-geese-eating-trump-claims-revealed-b2612904.html

Roadkill.

And yet he ate it, yes? In many places eating wildlife, regardless if roadkill, is illegal. For medical reasons... Could have died from Bird Flu, which tore through the US this last spring and summer.

There's been at least two reports of immigrants catching geese.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/13/are-haitian-immigrants-killing-ducks-in-springfield-ohio/75207072007/

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"The reporting party advised three Haitian males, grabbed a live duck and a live goose and placed them in black trash bag," the report states. "The reporting party advised that the individuals got into a Silver Honda Odyssey with 30 day tags on it and drove away."

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On Aug. 26, the Clark County Sheriff's non-emergency line fielded a call from someone who said he saw four Haitians carrying geese while he was on a trail. He provided a partial license plate number and vehicle description but said he was not able to get a photo, according to audio of the call.

Both this year. Both with no arrests. Because... How are they going to find the goose nappers? Best that can be done is continue to monitor goose populations.

Although, I'd say, why bother. Geese are everywhere. Even a couple hundred eaten here, and there, would be no loss at all.

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You're saying immigrants outnumber the resident population? That's honestly hard to believe. 

How'd you get that impression? 

Some people will value traditional society better than an evolving society with many immigrants. That's the trigger... When society changes too fast.

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Far Right wing groups have been popping up all over the globe for some reason. I can't see Trump influencing the world that much so I can only put it down to many things, including Elon's X offering a gathering platform for these undesirables.

No its not Trump. He's just opportunistically taking advantage of the global reaction to increasing migration of populations.

People move in and take the lower rungs of society, which the native people like. But they then live in enclaves, and practice their homeland social traditions. Which sometimes comes into conflict with local mores, ethics, and laws.

This happens often enough and the population will move Right on immigration.

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Maybe, I'm a pretty fractal driven person though. It's why I'm good at my job. I'm inquisitive and want to know the science behind everything.

Then you'll understand that often both sides of a political discussion dont tell the whole story, but cherrypick facts that support their ideas.

You can be 90% factual, with a touch of opinion, and totally not be telling the truth.

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You're probably right. The man has no shame and will make a spectacle of America for years to come. I guess the only silver lining is he is old and time limited.

I think only Death will put an end to political shenanigans. I dont see any of his kids/family taking up his banner when he's gone. Family will fade back into Real Estate.

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37 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

You are in a bunch of rain right now.  I just got back from spending the weekend in Florida for a birthday party. We flew down through Charlottesville, NC but flew back via Chicago.  

But yeah, prices vary greatly for things, state by state.  People want to live in overpopulated places but then complain that housing and food is so expensive.

It rained a little, but most went just north of here. 👍

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4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Eight states have no language preventing late term abortion.

It doesnt happen very often. But there are examples out there. Some reporters have posed as pregnant women and asked questions of abortion providers. About late term abortions, who then will tell them "YES" on the phone, and ask them to come in and fill out documents. 

Frankly, if a state wants to set limits. The state should set a limit. If the people of the state dont like it, they can vote in another governor/legislature. Or move. Or just travel to another state for the service.

I feel traveling to another state, which costs maybe several hundred dollars, for a procedure that statistically will only be once, or twice, in a lifetime, is not too much to ask if your state bans abortion. 

It shouldnt, IMHO, be considered "birth control", but actually is a medical procedure. Birth Control stops pregnancy from happening. Condoms, birth control pills, day after pills... Abortion is a medical procedure where the woman can die. Its not birth control. 

Didn't Trump say , leave it up to the states?

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, Razman said:

Didn't Trump say , leave it up to the states?

That is a total win for him.  If a state bans abortion, he takes credit.  If a state protects abortion, he says that its not his fault.  

[psyche101]

14 hours ago, DieChecker said:

And, as you yourself posted, IIRC, that many of Trump's people did not want anything to do with her...

His handlers. Not the crowd of nutcases. That's a large maga contingent that support MTG and RFK. Probably all of them. They would be loving her.

14 hours ago, DieChecker said:

If she was the highest example of MAGA than all Don's people would praise her. That they dont, leads me to believe that the mainline GOP, and even the mainline Trumpers, arent as bad as some try to project them as.

The Maga voters are the gullible CT nuts. Trump's handlers not so much but like Trump use them a fire them up with controversial characters. His entertainment scheduler outright stated they pick songs for controversy, the more controversial the better he said. It's about division in the Trump camp. 

14 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Trump definitely seemed to be winging it at the debate. He assumed an easy victory, and got kicked in the face for that assumption.

Indeed. Yet like the election he lost, he claims he won. 

He's scared to face her again. That much is pretty obvious.

14 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I just moved to South Carolina. See my thread in the Community Lounge.

Prices here are like $2.50 to $2.70, per gallon. Back in Oregon its still around $3.50 to $4.00, per gallon.

News said prices dropped $0.12 here recently.

I expected prices to be lower across the globe, yours do seem to have come down substantially as ours have.

I'm wondering if this will the next democrat angle. They have been blamed for high prices, now fuel has dropped and interest tipped to follow. It's just at the right time for the democrats. As you say, people have short memory's. These lowered priced might be the shiny thing that attracts these flippant voters.

[psyche101]

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

There are many places where the language of the law does allow for late term, and/or partial birth abortions. Most that I've heard/read about were illegal where they happened.

Eight states have no language preventing late term abortion.

8 have rights that many others don't.

I suppose I just don't understand the state ruling, I think you are American or not. It's more like small countries than states. 

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

It doesnt happen very often. But there are examples out there. Some reporters have posed as pregnant women and asked questions of abortion providers. About late term abortions, who then will tell them "YES" on the phone, and ask them to come in and fill out documents. 

A person answering a phone and ab actual doctor are different things though. 

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Frankly, if a state wants to set limits. The state should set a limit. If the people of the state dont like it, they can vote in another governor/legislature. Or move. Or just travel to another state for the service.

I feel traveling to another state, which costs maybe several hundred dollars, for a procedure that statistically will only be once, or twice, in a lifetime, is not too much to ask if your state bans abortion. 

I think basic human rights should be afforded to everyone in a democratic country. It's not something you pick and choose or it's not actually freedom. 

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

It shouldnt, IMHO, be considered "birth control", but actually is a medical procedure. Birth Control stops pregnancy from happening. Condoms, birth control pills, day after pills... Abortion is a medical procedure where the woman can die. Its not birth control. 

I can work with that. 

I don't think it changes anything though.

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

And yet she exists, is of Haitian decent, and did eat a cat.

Haitian descent?

She's American. 

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Ive found other articles online of people eating cats in the USA, but none substatiated, and most (racistly?) referring to "Africans".

You could probably find incidents of animal cruelty in every land on the planet. It's no indicator of those populations though.

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

And yet he ate it, yes? In many places eating wildlife, regardless if roadkill, is illegal. For medical reasons... Could have died from Bird Flu, which tore through the US this last spring and summer.

No. He didn't eat them.

Where are you getting that from?

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

There's been at least two reports of immigrants catching geese.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/13/are-haitian-immigrants-killing-ducks-in-springfield-ohio/75207072007/

Both this year. Both with no arrests. Because... How are they going to find the goose nappers? Best that can be done is continue to monitor goose populations.

Hearsay not reports. In the first instance the alleged witness could detail the vehicle and stickers on it but not the licence plate? Claim two resulted in nothing. You're link actually states it's not happening. 

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Although, I'd say, why bother. Geese are everywhere. Even a couple hundred eaten here, and there, would be no loss at all.

More so, it wouldn't be hard to conceal. Bit convenient that it became a thing after social media. 

With birds I don't doubt it happens more often. I've heard stories here about homeless people eating ibis but I couldn't prove it happened. We call them bin chickens anyway lol. 

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

How'd you get that impression? 

Because you said immigrants are a majority vote that elected far right nutters into important positions. If it's immigrants making the difference then how could they do that without outnumbering residents with normal values? 

Or are you saying resident populations are voting right because of an influx of immigrants? I hadn't considered that as it seems self defeating. Real shoot yourself in the foot stuff.

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Some people will value traditional society better than an evolving society with many immigrants. That's the trigger... When society changes too fast.

That's not right though. Those people are, or had immediate ancestors as immigrants, and now they deny another that same privilege. They shouldn't be accommodated. 

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

No its not Trump. He's just opportunistically taking advantage of the global reaction to increasing migration of populations.

It does seem to have kicked of around his term though. I would say it's not just Trump, but I don't doubt he is a factor. 

It's the taking advantage of that's the issue. It's how you got Jan six.

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

People move in and take the lower rungs of society, which the native people like. But they then live in enclaves, and practice their homeland social traditions. Which sometimes comes into conflict with local mores, ethics, and laws.

This happens often enough and the population will move Right on immigration.

Conflicting with local laws should be a short term solution. If simply ignorant, said law will be broken once and lesson learned.

Moving right just seems such a self defeating way to accomplish something. To remove others rights you have to forfeit your own. 

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Then you'll understand that often both sides of a political discussion dont tell the whole story, but cherrypick facts that support their ideas.

You can be 90% factual, with a touch of opinion, and totally not be telling the truth.

That's the case here 

Rumours have been purported as fact, Trump said they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, a far cry from some claims that it actually happened. One X post someone out up had one of these "reports" where the complainant called immigrants **** ******s. And still expected to be taken seriously. 

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I think only Death will put an end to political shenanigans. I dont see any of his kids/family taking up his banner when he's gone. Family will fade back into Real Estate.

You're are probably right. No matter how much of a fool of himself he makes, he doubles down on lies and just plain stupid things. I guess the problem is those led around by the nose who believe everything he says and actually fights for his lies. They are making America look even worse than Trump is. 

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15 hours ago, psyche101 said:

His handlers. Not the crowd of nutcases. That's a large maga contingent that support MTG and RFK. Probably all of them. They would be loving her.

I have always thought he suffered from too many Yes Men as advisors, and not enough actual honest experts.

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The Maga voters are the gullible CT nuts. Trump's handlers not so much but like Trump use them a fire them up with controversial characters. His entertainment scheduler outright stated they pick songs for controversy, the more controversial the better he said. It's about division in the Trump camp.

Ive often said that controversy sells. Sells politics too. Trump's always held that PT Barnum quote to be true... There is no such thing as bad publicity...

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Indeed. Yet like the election he lost, he claims he won. 

He's scared to face her again. That much is pretty obvious.

I suspect youre right and he thinks he'll lose again. 

In a Win/Lose evaluation of another debate, Trump has way too much to lose, and without a big argument to press, very little to gain.

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I expected prices to be lower across the globe, yours do seem to have come down substantially as ours have.

I'm wondering if this will the next democrat angle. They have been blamed for high prices, now fuel has dropped and interest tipped to follow. It's just at the right time for the democrats. As you say, people have short memory's. These lowered priced might be the shiny thing that attracts these flippant voters.

Interest rates are planned to drop soon. Which will be good for me. Im planning to buy property/house in about a year. 

There is talk of a recession coming though. Unemployment is slowly edging up. Which is often a sign of impending recession.

2008, and before that, all have the same trend... unemployment starts going slowly up, than boom, recession.

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[psyche101]

3 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I have always thought he suffered from too many Yes Men as advisors, and not enough actual honest experts.

I'm sure that's true to an extent. Laura Loomer is no doubt massaging his ego non stop. 

However, he wanted hot mics at the debate too but was not allowed. 

I read that one of his campaign managers said the music thing is to stir controversy, the more controversial the better. The division thing goes deeper than Trump. 

3 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Ive often said that controversy sells. Sells politics too. Trump's always held that PT Barnum quote to be true... There is no such thing as bad publicity...

Well he's proven that much right I agree. 

I don't think he would last long here though. I honestly think he would be regarded as a joke. I don't understand the American relationship with Trump. 

3 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I suspect youre right and he thinks he'll lose again. 

In a Win/Lose evaluation of another debate, Trump has way too much to lose, and without a big argument to press, very little to gain.

Finny thing is some people think he won. 

3 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Interest rates are planned to drop soon. Which will be good for me. Im planning to buy property/house in about a year. 

There is talk of a recession coming though. Unemployment is slowly edging up. Which is often a sign of impending recession.

2008, and before that, all have the same trend... unemployment starts going slowly up, than boom, recession.

But for the people with very short term memories, which does seem prevalent, it's going to put democrats into a position where they can say they brought prices down, and will continue to do so. It's a big ticket item so financial relief at election time has to be a positive for the democrats.

Good to hear. I wish you well. I hope you find a good investment.

[+DieChecker]

On 9/17/2024 at 1:47 AM, psyche101 said:

France fought the threat off. I'd like to hear from posters from those regions like @Noteverythingisaconspiracy could from a first hand account.

Saw this today...

Macron unveils new right-wing French government

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rd52zl018o

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Among those gaining a position in the new cabinet is Bruno Retailleau, a key member of the conservative Republicans Party founded by former president Nicolas Sarkozy.

He has been appointed interior minister, a portfolio that includes immigration.

Not looking good for immigrants in France.

Looks like France didnt "fight it off", but were forced to embrace the Right. 9 Right leaning cabinet members and only one from the Left...

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[psyche101]

9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Saw this today...

Macron unveils new right-wing French government

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rd52zl018o

Not looking good for immigrants in France.

Looks like France didnt "fight it off", but were forced to embrace the Right. 9 Right leaning cabinet members and only one from the Left...

Did this have anything to do with a vote though? From what I can tell, the vote was overwhelmingly left, the failed ex used submarine salesman Marcon has France currently in spiralling debt and France is basically in receivership isn't it? 

Sad way to go. All the people of France are in for a tough time I would say. 

[acidhead]

 

 

[psyche101]

1 minute ago, acidhead said:

 

 

 

 

Hahaha 

No **** Sherlock. 

[acidhead]

8 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

 

 

Hahaha 

No **** Sherlock. 

Please do not use profanity when responding to one of my posts. 

TYIA

[psyche101]

2 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Please do not use profanity when responding to one of my posts. 

TYIA

Not referring to you. I was referring to Trump. 

It's not like he has the years left in him to run again. 

[the13bats]

On 9/18/2024 at 8:26 PM, psyche101 said:

I'm sure that's true to an extent. Laura Loomer is no doubt massaging his ego non stop. 

However, he wanted hot mics at the debate too but was not allowed. 

I read that one of his campaign managers said the music thing is to stir controversy, the more controversial the better. The division thing goes deeper than Trump. 

Well he's proven that much right I agree. 

I don't think he would last long here though. I honestly think he would be regarded as a joke. I don't understand the American relationship with Trump. 

Finny thing is some people think he won. 

But for the people with very short term memories, which does seem prevalent, it's going to put democrats into a position where they can say they brought prices down, and will continue to do so. It's a big ticket item so financial relief at election time has to be a positive for the democrats.

Good to hear. I wish you well. I hope you find a good investment.

Gas down, my Sunday Walmart visit noticed prices down a bit, hum, no convicted felon man in office.

[the13bats]

1 minute ago, psyche101 said:

Not referring to you. I was referring to Trump. 

It's not like he has the years left in him to run again. 

Youve been warned...i bet you be quaking in your boots.

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

Youve been warned...i bet you be quaking in your boots.

Someone likes to identify as a mod

 

 

[the13bats]

1 minute ago, psyche101 said:

Someone likes to identify as a mod

 

 

So many attention starved lonely souls seem to need that token these days.

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

 

 

Hahaha 

No **** Sherlock. 

I dont think past his huge fragile ego convicted felon man cares about winning afterall its hard work and hes incredibly lazy by nature,

He can likely get maga to send him even more money if he loses and howls the evil forces are keeping him down and hes a poor victim martyr you know his ruse

[+Razman]

5 hours ago, the13bats said:

Gas down, my Sunday Walmart visit noticed prices down a bit, hum, no convicted felon man in office.

Seems with our visits to Aldi's , prices are down too.

[Tatetopa]

Man!  Bibles, shoes, NFT cards,  commemorative coins, now I see $100 electric trains with Trump on them.  This guy hawks more useless items than Ronco. Will he come out with a pocket fisherman next?

Just be sure you have enough retirement funds left to buy Truth Social stock.   The stock market seems to be  setting new highs as Truth Social bucks the trend and sets new lows.

For all of those folks who thought Trump should run the country like a business, he did.  He got 100 million shares of Truth Social for free.  If he sells them for a dollar a share he will still get 100+ million dollars for nothing.  Everybody who actually had to buy that stock is losing money. Your loss is his gain.  That is how he views America too.

[Tatetopa]

After listening to Trump speeches, one has to wonder if English is his first language.

[psyche101]