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Kari Lake refuses to concede in Arizona governor's race


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The individual stories just keep pouring in on how these machines rejected peoples ballots, and they ended up in a box to be “counted later” 

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9 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Do you live in Arizona?

No. I do live in America though. Election integrity is vital in all states if we are to have a “more perfect union”.

I live in the Hudson valley, where mass numbers of illegals are being dumped on us. The governor’s election in AZ very much effects me. 

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No, I don't live in Arizona, but I do see what the shouting is about.

Arizona has relatively strict recount rules compared to some other states. According to a widely used (albeit lay person's) reference on line

https://ballotpedia.org/Recount_laws_in_Arizona

Recounts are automatic in Arizona for margins of 1/2% or less, but there is no provision for a candidate to request a recount. The margin in the case before us is, according to the Associated Press, 2/3 of 1%. Lake is out.

Is that fair? Well, as has been pointed out in the thread and elsewhere, both sides accepted the groundrules in advance, so the "fair" time to complain has come and gone. Perhaps the remedy is to change the laws for future races?

Is the current arrangement lawful? I haven't the faintest idea what the Arizona constitution provides. It is at best remotely possible that there is a federal consitutional impediment to Arizona's recount provision. Either way, American court costs are generally assessed against the loser of the case. So, if Ms Lake thinks she has a winnable case, and she's willing to pay if and when she loses, then that's what casinos courtrooms are for.

Obviously, she could not be expected to concede the race while she is actively and officially contesting the outcome. (In my state, notorious for its Yankee skinflintery, a recount would be available on request for margins up to twenty percent, and would be at the state's expense if the final outcome were either reversed or the final margin were within a full one percent of the total ballots cast ... otherwise, the requesting party pays).

On a point arising, a question was raised about the relevance of voters in general having been discouraged by polling machine failures on election day. The conventional wisdom is that Republicans are more likely than Democrats to vote in person on election day (rather than absentee or whatever other alternatives for voting Arizona may provide). Thus, there is some foundation for thinking that discouraged voters would be disproportionately Republican.

Is that really so? Who knows? 2022 was the year that conventional political wisdom died. And even if it is so, once again, the ground rules were agreed to in advance by both sides. Murphy's Law about when and where some machines might not work flawlessly cannot possibly be news. No back-up provision? That was the choice of Arizona's political geniuses.

I have no dog in this fight, but I am unsurprised that there is some butthurt about an outcome that is so close and which in some other places would be recounted without nearly so much drama and with many fewer lawyers potentially involved.

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15 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

If that was the case the election officials should have had a backup plan.   It seems to me that it was a manipulation that backfired.   I would be curious to know which districts or neighborhoods had the "broken machines".    If I got to a polling place and the machine was broken and there was no backup plan I would just drive to another polling place.  But then maybe some areas (like arizona and texas) aren't into the 21st century so you still have to go to the elementary school in your neighborhood.   That should be a thing of the past.  It has been in the past for at least 12 years in New Mexico.   There are shops that can't get rentors so the county rents them year round to have them available as polling places and everything is computerized so checking in to vote is not dependent on you being in your neighborhood so that someone can find your name on a paper list.    

When the machines went down in some places they just had people fill out a paper ballots.

 

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12 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

I’m not. In fact I called it before the elections even happened. That they would draw it out for days, and in the end democrats would win many of those elections. Especially this one as she was going to declare a state of emergency on the AZ boarder. 

If Democrats won a couple more of those Arizona house seats than they would of kept the house. 

They only did fraud to the governor race I guess. 

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Just now, spartan max2 said:

If Democrats won a couple more of those Arizona house seats than they would of kept the house. 

They only did fraud to the governor race I guess. 

Or the democrats wouldn’t have won any of them. 
 

That governor’s seat is huge. Texas has had enough of the boarder crossings, and had she won AZ both would have effectively shut down most of the boarder. 
 

It’s crazy to me that you guys have no problem with the absolute fact many were outright denied the ability to vote. And a women who was sued and lost twice for being a racist took the seat. Who as it turns out was in charge of running the election. You can’t make this crap up. 

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49 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

It’s crazy to me that you guys have no problem with the absolute fact many were outright denied the ability to vote

Well you see they won't denied the ability to vote. The places with computer problems switched to paper. 

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If I am remembering correctly. Wasn't the conspiracy in 2020 that the computer Dominion machines were rigged and can't be trusted. So you guys should be happy about the switch to paper in the places the computer messed up lol

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1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

It’s crazy to me that you guys have no problem with the absolute fact many were outright denied the ability to vote.

I don't have much problem with it because it happens in every election and most importantly I haven't seen any evidence that the number of people who couldn't vote was relevant and would have changed the results.  Throw in the richness of Republicans complaining about people not being able to vote after their focus over the last couple years on their Orwellian 'election integrity' laws and, until there's more evidence this is relevant, this earns a big eye-rolling yawn.

 

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11 hours ago, the13bats said:

I do get confused easy but seems its not so much two sides but rather "trump" is the only good and anything that isnt trump is bad, it sure wasnt about GOP and have they said they will endorse trump and further damage their party?

We the people deserve so much more than, dem, gop, trump.

I was responding to @and-then but it is valid if you get sucked into the "Trump is evil" syndrome as well as "Everyone is stupid to hate Trump" syndrome.    The more hate that is spewed over the name Trump the more energy he gets, and any energy any of us gets we choose how to use it. Just remember how fast our presidents age in 4 years or 8 years, look at GWB and Obama, they aged 20 years in 8 physically.  And that is because they were always being complained about by some, hated by some, praised by some, but no one ever gave them a thought as a human being, just as some icon representing there fears.   And all along congress was  behind them enacting legislation that took more of our rights or our money away.  It was rarely any president that did any of that.  Reagan is proof of that and so is Trump.  Trump was used to keep everyone off balance, angry (both sides angry) and easily distracted so that congress and the senate could accept supreme court judges that would overturn a very important court precedent.    And of course, that enraged at least half the people in the country and it was blamed on Trump because he "suggested" those justices.  But guess what, he didn't, his advisor did, Trump was no more aware of what he was signing than Reagan was.

Based on his belief that he could orchestrate a defiance of the constitution and did it in public is proof that he was not in his right mind AND had no clue about government and the rule that have to be followed.  It was just a them against "me" attitude, with no understanding of any thing.   

I used his name a lot in this post and that is probably the last time I will mention his name.

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4 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

The individual stories just keep pouring in on how these machines rejected peoples ballots, and they ended up in a box to be “counted later” 

And then they were counted later, with Democrats and Republicans present, as it has always been done, wherever a machine goes AWOL, everywehere.

So, what is the Democrat master plan at ths point? Tell me. Do they run to the window every few minutes and say 'OMG, Trump!' and when all the Republican representatives in the room rush to see, the Dems, what...? Eat a few Rep ballots? 

All of this election denialism - all this fraud is supposed to happen while Republican eyes are watching. How is it possible for the Dems to pull this off? You election deniers must think Republicans are absolute idiots. 

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@and-then, I hope you and your wife are feeling better.  I went through it 3 weeks ago and it was rough.    I want to comment on something you asked me, that I didn't really answer.  When you think liberals and progressives are the same you are confused and "Left" does not describe either completely.  I think if you want to villify liberals use the word liberal, or if you want to villify progressives use that word.   The way I see it when you use left and right you think there is a line and everyone is on one side of the line or the other but that is not true.  That left right line is a circle and you can go so far right you are left and vice versa, it is how the democrats got labeled liberal recently (last 20-30 years) when they were the hard core conservatives, and now the republicans are the conservatives.  But what it reallly boils down to is the ideologies that those parties represent change as the population changes, as the old guys leave and new guys take over and now, the republicans are not conservatives, they are elitists, and the democrats cater to the poor, saying what ever will get the vote but in the end acting on elitists ideals as well.   So essentially there is no real difference.   Corporations and the rich are ruining our country, taking it away from us bit by bit.  And they are doing it by lying about "the war between democrats and republicans".
 

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5 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Or the democrats wouldn’t have won any of them. 
 

That governor’s seat is huge. Texas has had enough of the boarder crossings, and had she won AZ both would have effectively shut down most of the boarder. 
 

It’s crazy to me that you guys have no problem with the absolute fact many were outright denied the ability to vote. And a women who was sued and lost twice for being a racist took the seat. Who as it turns out was in charge of running the election. You can’t make this crap up. 

She is hiring Lawyers and will challenge many aspects of this election. One problem though is that if some things are debunked and no evidence of fraud or malfeasance is found, it will never be accepted by Kari Lake. She, like Trump, will never concede.

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19 hours ago, Michelle said:

Now some extreme left are saying she should run for president. 

Some folks are also saying Trump should run.  The battle of the cellar dwellers?

Doug

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3 minutes ago, MGB said:

She is hiring Lawyers and will challenge many aspects of this election. One problem though is that if some things are debunked and no evidence of fraud or malfeasance is found, it will never be accepted by Kari Lake. She, like Trump, will never concede.

But in that case maybe she can pay court costs and fines for frivolous law suits.

 

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11 hours ago, and-then said:

Well, here's ONE they didn't win...

Earlier today I saw a Tweet saying Nancy was able to gloat over Boebert no longer being in the House.  Seems the news of her demise was a bit premature.

It seems like Boebert's victory declaration was a bit premature too.

As of Friday, with nearly all the votes counted, Boebert holds a 551 vote lead over Frisch out of nearly 327,000 votes cast, a difference of 0.16 percentage points. The Associated Press has deemed the race too close to call and will not do so until a potential recount happens

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/colorado-election-results-boebert-race-likely-heading-recount

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21 hours ago, Alpha_Q said:

The state I remembered was Texas, so I quickly looked that up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting

Not sure where the Guardian fits on the blue/red, left/right, am not/are so axis. 

 

They are left wing. You can usually tell when they use the term Latinx. They don't understand why white progressives started calling them that and the majority of them hate it.

My voting station is in a low income community with a heavy population of people of color. I've never known of anyone who has had trouble voting here.

 

 

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16 hours ago, and-then said:

Well, here's ONE they didn't win...

Earlier today I saw a Tweet saying Nancy was able to gloat over Boebert no longer being in the House.  Seems the news of her demise was a bit premature.

God , the other one with the " mouth" , won , geez ............  They could have like a yodeling showdown between Boebert , Kari , and Trump , probably make a good reality tv thing. :)

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4 hours ago, Likely Guy said:

It seems like Boebert's victory declaration was a bit premature too.

Frisch has conceded, according to the Beeb.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63683194

Classy guy, IMO.

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How many people running their mouths here, actually live in Arizona?

(Yes, I do)

 

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On 11/17/2022 at 12:02 PM, Katniss said:

Oh noes!  Someone get poor Kari a Butthurt Report, stat!

 

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:D

Your post should be pinned. It's a classic.

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On 11/18/2022 at 9:54 AM, Desertrat56 said:

I was responding to @and-then but it is valid if you get sucked into the "Trump is evil" syndrome as well as "Everyone is stupid to hate Trump" syndrome.    The more hate that is spewed over the name Trump the more energy he gets, and any energy any of us gets we choose how to use it. Just remember how fast our presidents age in 4 years or 8 years, look at GWB and Obama, they aged 20 years in 8 physically.  And that is because they were always being complained about by some, hated by some, praised by some, but no one ever gave them a thought as a human being, just as some icon representing there fears.   And all along congress was  behind them enacting legislation that took more of our rights or our money away.  It was rarely any president that did any of that.  Reagan is proof of that and so is Trump.  Trump was used to keep everyone off balance, angry (both sides angry) and easily distracted so that congress and the senate could accept supreme court judges that would overturn a very important court precedent.    And of course, that enraged at least half the people in the country and it was blamed on Trump because he "suggested" those justices.  But guess what, he didn't, his advisor did, Trump was no more aware of what he was signing than Reagan was.

Based on his belief that he could orchestrate a defiance of the constitution and did it in public is proof that he was not in his right mind AND had no clue about government and the rule that have to be followed.  It was just a them against "me" attitude, with no understanding of any thing.   

I used his name a lot in this post and that is probably the last time I will mention his name.

Not acknowledging something wont really make it go away not things like hilter, cult leaders or trump, trump is trying to run again he will be a big subjects people will talk about if a person doesnt like it they can avoid such threads as i avoid religious threads.

Also imnsho its not really about lists in this case what trump did good, bad or didnt do, he was an epic failure and loser its akin to me saying well sure hitler kills lots of people but he did make dr Porsche build the vw beetle, its still very unbalanced good vs bad.

I come to the forum to derail a bit relax its a low rent entertainment and as far as trump and politics goes like a mystery i am watching it unravel but even if trump won 2024 it really doesnt effect me no potus has its just no other potus has caused so much damage to the country and its people not saying his name wont make him go away, we deserve better than him.

 

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On 11/18/2022 at 5:56 AM, preacherman76 said:

t’s crazy to me that you guys have no problem with the absolute fact many were outright denied the ability to vote.

It's their blatant hypocrisy that turns my stomach.  We KNOW how they'd be reacting had the same situation played out to their detriment.  They seem to think that so long as their media has their back, they have no worries.  I guess it never occurs to them that in time, people will walk away from a process they see as irreparable.  It's childish to think that way.

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