Data from Hunter Biden's laptop is real

[MGB]

On 11/22/2022 at 1:50 AM, the13bats said:

Also i dont think anyone was blind to hunter being an entitled junkie albatross around his dads neck.

Let this be a lesson hunter do not drop your laptop off to a blind tech who is buddies with mr brownsweat and forget to go get it.

It's insane how people are always caught with 59,444 emails or 33,000 like Hillary or whatever. I delete mine all the time and have zero. I just do not understand people sometimes. It is not like I keep emails for mementos.

[Golden Duck]

4 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

So I have read.  Also, in an interview, the repairman says not all of the stuff in the news was on the original he gave to the FBI.  So, are people popping their gaskets over information on the original; or information added to a copy?

I won't second guess the FBI too much, but they might say there is no case other than drug abuse and firearm violation based on the original laptop.  They have had the original for 3 years according to the lawyer below. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-data-analysis/

Brian Della Rocca, the lawyer for the shop owner, provided to CBS News what he called an "exact copy" of the laptop data provided to federal investigators nearly three years ago. Della Rocca said he considers it "clean" because it predates versions that were widely circulated by Republican operatives to attack then-candidate Joe Biden before the 2020 presidential election.  

 

Did overzealous Republican campaign operatives shoot themselves in the foot by releasing doctored copies?

Here's the latest from Snopes - published today.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/22/latest-in-the-hunter-biden-laptop-saga-cbs-news-taps-expert-who-says-its-real/

The gist is it would be difficult to create a hoax that reflected normal daily usage.

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It would be "difficult, if not impossible to fabricate" that type of everyday use, reflected in the build up of files, like images of government-issued identification and the voicemail described above. The Lantermans said they didn't see evidence on the copy of the hard drive they reviewed that any inauthentic data had been added to it.

Nevertheless, the laptop has been the source of hoaxes and misinformation, including a false claim that it contained a photograph of Hunter Biden inappropriately lounging shirtless in the midst of young girls.

So what standard have the Lantermans used in convincing themselves-balance of probabilities or beyond reasonable doubt?

We also see the issue of evidence in the public domain.  Some of it, such as the photo, is fake.

Finally, Vox reported there is an email from The Big Guy rejecting any payment from Hunter.  Why has only one outlet reported this?  If it is difficult to add inauthentic data, is it just as difficult to delete exonerating data?

Edited November 23, 2022 by Golden Duck

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Paranoid Android said:

Hi jmc, perhaps this conversation is differing due to neither of us using terminology the same.  In your definition/s,  it appears that if there is no criminal outcome,  it's a nothing burger. 

That's not how I view it. Nor is it the view of anyone who saw the media deceive the populace for two straight years before they had to admit it was legit!

 

Hi PA

If there was anything of significance related directly to Joe then a judicial inquiry with potential charges would have begun by now. Media hype is just that and law is about facts so yes unless I see something released by a formal inquiry it is a nothing burger.

Not my country so really not my problem I am just an objective observer that requires a certain standard of credibility behind accusations.

[Tatetopa]

4 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

Funny that this was never part of the argument at the time the laptop was found! 

What do you think is something the FBI asked the MAC repairman?  It is likely they wanted to know how he got the laptop. Traceability is always critical, especially when the object we are talking about is electronic data.  I am not sure what your point is.  The FBI got the original data delivered by the MAC repair guy.  That is traceable from Hunter to the FBI with all transfers accounted for.  Have you never done any Quality Control work?  If you lose track, you cannot guarantee it is still the original data. If anybody could have added data to the files, then it is useless as evidence.

 

4 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

The story was clearly authentic two years ago.

 I do believe it is authentic, I believe the FBI has the data.  It does not follow that the media was publishing data off the original laptop.  It does not follow that anything the media said was true. The media does not determine guilt or innocence even if fools believe it.  The Mac repairman even said some items in the press were not on the original.  

So, if you want to investigate Hunter for anything more than prurient interest in watching him have sex you have to be guaranteed that the data is from the original FBI vetted laptop and not a copy that has been altered.  You do grok why a lot of people stood to gain something by adding some fake data to the original?  Without traceability, it becomes worthless as evidence.

4 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

Imagine if every half-baked story run about Donald Trump was vetted with the same care and attention that Hunter Biden's laptop story did!!!! 

The Mueller report, if you remember, charged a number of people from the Trump campaign with a  basket of crimes.  Mueller spent a couple of years and after a thorough investigation determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge a sitting president.  No matter how much the Democrats wanted it, the evidence was not there.  That is how justice is supposed to work on facts and not wishes. 

That is why General Flynn, Rudy Giuliani, and Lindsey Graham got forced to testify to a grand jury in Georgia to establish facts. And now that is  why releasing Trump's taxes went all the way to the Supreme Court.  He is getting vetted with care.  Every  judge, even the ones Trump has appointed has scolded his lawyers about what belongs in court, that is facts that can be substantiated;  and what doesn't, claims that appear on OAN or FOX without evidence.

 

[Hankenhunter]

Let's look at the case against Hunter Biden and his laptop: A photo essay

https://m.fark.com/goto/12651996/www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/18/2137131/-A-photo-essay-of-all-the-times-Hunter-Biden-used-his-in

Sure makes you think. Lol

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

23 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Hi Earl.

Investigation by who?

Congress. An ad hoc House committee 

[the13bats]

14 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

What do you think is something the FBI asked the MAC repairman?  It is likely they wanted to know how he got the laptop. Traceability is always critical, especially when the object we are talking about is electronic data.  I am not sure what your point is.  The FBI got the original data delivered by the MAC repair guy.  That is traceable from Hunter to the FBI with all transfers accounted for.  Have you never done any Quality Control work?  If you lose track, you cannot guarantee it is still the original data. If anybody could have added data to the files, then it is useless as evidence.

 

 I do believe it is authentic, I believe the FBI has the data.  It does not follow that the media was publishing data off the original laptop.  It does not follow that anything the media said was true. The media does not determine guilt or innocence even if fools believe it.  The Mac repairman even said some items in the press were not on the original.  

So, if you want to investigate Hunter for anything more than prurient interest in watching him have sex you have to be guaranteed that the data is from the original FBI vetted laptop and not a copy that has been altered.  You do grok why a lot of people stood to gain something by adding some fake data to the original?  Without traceability, it becomes worthless as evidence.

The Mueller report, if you remember, charged a number of people from the Trump campaign with a  basket of crimes.  Mueller spent a couple of years and after a thorough investigation determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge a sitting president.  No matter how much the Democrats wanted it, the evidence was not there.  That is how justice is supposed to work on facts and not wishes. 

That is why General Flynn, Rudy Giuliani, and Lindsey Graham got forced to testify to a grand jury in Georgia to establish facts. And now that is  why releasing Trump's taxes went all the way to the Supreme Court.  He is getting vetted with care.  Every  judge, even the ones Trump has appointed has scolded his lawyers about what belongs in court, that is facts that can be substantiated;  and what doesn't, claims that appear on OAN or FOX without evidence.

 

Its funny that msm says true things ( unflattering ) about BOM and his subjects get major knicker knots saying msm is full of bull the msm says things about hunters laptop that arent true yet those worshippers bray loud and have tantrums that in this case msm is the pillar of truth and honesty.

[acidhead]

Interesting  

 

[Tatetopa]

Republicans have made it harder on themselves prior to their investigation of Hunter.

Based on Republican Congressmen's actions, Democratic Congress people  can ignore subpoenas from Congressional investigating committees. Gym Jorden and others set the precedent.

Based on former Trump presidential advisors, Biden advisors can defy Congressional subpoenas.

Based on Pence's recent comments, Congress has no right to Vice President's testimony.

Based on Trump's responses, the president can defy Congress and give them the finger.

Based on Trump's appeals, presidential records decisions go all the way to the Supreme court and encounter multiple delays.

That narrows the field for investigation just a bit.

 

[Golden Duck]

12 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Republicans have made it harder on themselves prior to their investigation of Hunter.

Based on Republican Congressmen's actions, Democratic Congress people  can ignore subpoenas from Congressional investigating committees. Gym Jorden and others set the precedent.

Based on former Trump presidential advisors, Biden advisors can defy Congressional subpoenas.

Based on Pence's recent comments, Congress has no right to Vice President's testimony.

Based on Trump's responses, the president can defy Congress and give them the finger.

Based on Trump's appeals, presidential records decisions go all the way to the Supreme court and encounter multiple delays.

That narrows the field for investigation just a bit.

 

And the precedent that you can't impeach a President on a word.

Hey Dad! Do you want a kick-back?

Yes!

It's just a word. Besides Sleepy Joe is unintelligible.  Who can even understand what he utters, if even he, himself, doesn't understand?

[+Link of Hyrule]

On 11/23/2022 at 11:05 PM, Tatetopa said:

What do you think is something the FBI asked the MAC repairman?  It is likely they wanted to know how he got the laptop. Traceability is always critical, especially when the object we are talking about is electronic data.  I am not sure what your point is.  The FBI got the original data delivered by the MAC repair guy.  That is traceable from Hunter to the FBI with all transfers accounted for.  Have you never done any Quality Control work?  If you lose track, you cannot guarantee it is still the original data. If anybody could have added data to the files, then it is useless as evidence.

I was referring to the media response to this entire story, I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here. What issue of "quality control" are you even talking about? The reason as given by Twitter as to why the story was censored was "potentially hacked material". And it took 2 years before anything was confirmed as true (as noted, just a month or so back I was involved in discussions on this very forum with members who were saying that there was still no evidence that the laptop even belonged to Hunter - meanwhile it was obvious to everyone who doesn't have a democrat agenda that the laptop was in fact his).

 

On 11/23/2022 at 11:05 PM, Tatetopa said:

 I do believe it is authentic, I believe the FBI has the data.  It does not follow that the media was publishing data off the original laptop.  It does not follow that anything the media said was true. The media does not determine guilt or innocence even if fools believe it.  The Mac repairman even said some items in the press were not on the original.  

So, if you want to investigate Hunter for anything more than prurient interest in watching him have sex you have to be guaranteed that the data is from the original FBI vetted laptop and not a copy that has been altered.  You do grok why a lot of people stood to gain something by adding some fake data to the original?  Without traceability, it becomes worthless as evidence.

Are you suggesting the media was simply trying to be good citizens and appropriately vet the material before admitting it's validity? If only they did that with other right wing figures! 

 

On 11/23/2022 at 11:05 PM, Tatetopa said:

The Mueller report, if you remember, charged a number of people from the Trump campaign with a  basket of crimes.  Mueller spent a couple of years and after a thorough investigation determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge a sitting president.  No matter how much the Democrats wanted it, the evidence was not there.  That is how justice is supposed to work on facts and not wishes. 

That is why General Flynn, Rudy Giuliani, and Lindsey Graham got forced to testify to a grand jury in Georgia to establish facts. And now that is  why releasing Trump's taxes went all the way to the Supreme Court.  He is getting vetted with care.  Every  judge, even the ones Trump has appointed has scolded his lawyers about what belongs in court, that is facts that can be substantiated;  and what doesn't, claims that appear on OAN or FOX without evidence.

1- If I recall correct, the Mueller Report is entirely suspect due to its reliance on the now-debunked Steele Dossier. But even if not, the second point is vastly more important, which is... 

2- I'm not talking about what the authorities eventually do with information in these stories! My comment was aimed at the media response to these stories. By and large, the vast majority of the media, and pretty much the entirety of the left wing media, built these stories up to the point that virtually every mainstream news network was running continuous stories about how what was happening was "the beginning of the end" - expecting Trump to be forced to vacate the presidency

This was clearly trumped up (pardon the pun) in order to sell a narrative about Trump's time in office. And no one said one word against it - not in the mainstream left wing media at any rate, and you certainly appear to be an apologist for them doing the same. Then a laptop that belongs to the son of pResident Joe Biden turns up. And suddenly the left wing media and their democrat allies care about journalistic integrity, and want to make sure 100% that this is a legitimate story, so much so that it took two years for any of the major left wing publications to admit its legitimacy. 

You can handwave that as some kind of journalistic vetting process. But to anyone who has been watching the s*** show of half baked stories and outright lies about Donald Trump, such sudden care for integrity simply reeks of double standards!

Edited November 25, 2022 by Paranoid Android

[el midgetron]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MGB]

13 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Republicans have made it harder on themselves prior to their investigation of Hunter.

Based on Republican Congressmen's actions, Democratic Congress people  can ignore subpoenas from Congressional investigating committees. Gym Jorden and others set the precedent.

Based on former Trump presidential advisors, Biden advisors can defy Congressional subpoenas.

Based on Pence's recent comments, Congress has no right to Vice President's testimony.

Based on Trump's responses, the president can defy Congress and give them the finger.

Based on Trump's appeals, presidential records decisions go all the way to the Supreme court and encounter multiple delays.

That narrows the field for investigation just a bit.

 

Exactly the way I see it.

Except Gym Jordan was one of those who asked for a pardon for insurrection day, so the traitor shouldn't even be in Congress.

 

[+DieChecker]

20 hours ago, el midgetron said:

 

 

 

Better late then never??

[itsnotoutthere]

 

[Gromdor]

I think that what we are going to find is that the Hunter Biden Laptop is indeed real, but most of the crimes Republicans are imagining are in it are not.

[+DieChecker]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-safety-chief-admits-hunter-biden-laptop-censorship-mistake

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"But — so it was a mistake?" Swisher asked.

"In my opinion, yes," he responded. 

 

[+DieChecker]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11478171/62-Americans-WANT-Hunter-Biden-investigated-new-poll-shows.html

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Some 61 percent of voters said they believed it was likely – including 44 percent who said it was 'very likely' – that Joe Biden was at least consulted on his son's business deals and might even have profited.  

 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

It would be interesting to see of the 81 million who voted for Biden, how many would have voted different if they’d known about the true contents of the laptop and not the CNN version of what was on the laptop. 
We say all the time the media influences the vote, we have the perfect case here to explore that idea.

[Golden Duck]

3 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

It would be interesting to see of the 81 million who voted for Biden, how many would have voted different if they’d known about the true contents of the laptop and not the CNN version of what was on the laptop. 
We say all the time the media influences the vote, we have the perfect case here to explore that idea.

Who knows the true contents of the laptop?

[Gromdor]

1 minute ago, Golden Duck said:

Who knows the true contents of the laptop?

Guiliani since he had it for at least 2 years now.

[Michelle]

5 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Guiliani since he had it for at least 2 years now.

Do you think they are going to use his copy or the original as evidence?

Have there been any leaks? For quite a few years there were leaks out the wazoo and now not a peep...except for Roe v Wade that is. But that wasn't anything linked directly to the sleeper in chief in the WH.

[Gromdor]

7 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Do you think they are going to use his copy or the original as evidence?

Have there been any leaks? For quite a few years there were leaks out the wazoo and now not a peep...except for Roe v Wade that is. But that wasn't anything linked directly to the sleeper in chief in the WH.

So you think the repairman gave Guiliani a doctored copy of the hard drive?  That would explain why people questioned it's accuracy when he gave it to the New York Post. 

But don't you think it's weird that after all these people received copies of the hard drive, they couldn't point out anything to press charges over?  I mean Guilianni was literally Trump's laywer/operative and could have handed it to him to give to Barr directly.  

[Michelle]

3 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

So you think the repairman gave Guiliani a doctored copy of the hard drive? 

When you totally misconstrue what I said in your very first sentence there is no point in elaborating.

[Gromdor]

7 minutes ago, Michelle said:

When you totally misconstrue what I said in your very first sentence there is no point in elaborating.

Misconstrue how?  The only way a court would reject a copy of digital information is if they feared it was doctored.  The title of the thread shows that it was not.  A picture of a murder scene is just as admissable in court as taking the witnesses to the scene of the crime.

With that we know that Guilianni had an accurate copy, the legal expertise to know what a crime is or not (being a lawyer), the time to examine the copy (Years) and the connections to get any crimes prosecuted (ear of the President and actually having access to Barr).

Yet there is nothing?  Did Trump, Guilianni, and Barr cover up for Biden by sitting on this?  Or is there nothing but an opportunity to try and win an election on supposition?