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8 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Seems to me you are in denial of all the true stories because of percieved false stories.

Not ALL of the true stories. Some of them (like January 6) is so overblown it's ridiculous, some (like the classified documents) are more serious. But they are all part of a larger pattern of behaviour that clearly demonstrated a bias against Donald Trump in the mainstream left wing media, and they used every opportunity they could to demonise him. 

Heck, just look at the reaction to his social media post about the Constitution! It's ridiculous that such a throwaway comment has been blown out of proportion to make it appear as if he wants to be a dictator! There's a thread with multiple pages here on UM. It's not the smartest thing he's ever posted to social media, but the fact that it gets so much media attention demonstrates just how much they have it in for Trump! 

 

8 hours ago, Gromdor said:

If I tell you that one of your family members is in court because of drugs and you tell me that's false because someone else lied to you about it before quite frequently.  I would think it was a "You" problem, your thoughts on the matter are irrelevant, and that it didn't change the real-world fact that person X was still in court/jail.  

That is literally the feeling I have towards Trump supporters who are currently in denial about Jan.6, his election losses, and his court trials right now.

I haven't said they were "false". I said much of it has been blown out of proportion by the media.

That said, if I don't believe the mainstream left wing media narrative, it's because they have given me no reason to believe them. As the saying goes - fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me! I'm sure there's some kind of psychological condition where an abused victim cannot trust others to not be abusive, not well versed enough to give you scientific/medical term off the top of my head, but I'm sure you get my point. 

 

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On 12/4/2022 at 9:05 PM, psyche101 said:

If you backup you will get a compressed file containing everything. Archiving will do the same thing.

If you drop and drag it will save individually. If hunter spent four seconds dropping and dragging emails it would take a month thereabouts. 

That's all true. It doesn't say over what time span this was. So maybe he did do "save file" on these. Seems unlikely though. Seems unlikely he'd have read all 130,000 also. I get about 200 work emails a week and about 100-200 at home emails per week. So that would be about 340 weeks, or about 6 years.

Most of the emails would be commercials/ads I'd bet.

EDIT: I just read the emails were from 2009 to 2019. So maybe it was a normal amount of email... :rofl:

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I seriously doubt that many emails would fit on a standard laptop. 

He was a super rich playboy lawyer, so probably had the top quality laptop.

A little research shows that better  laptops from the 2014-2015 time frame usually had 128 Gb HDs, but 256 was available. And the total of the email dump was supposedly 217 Gb. Meaning it very well could have been the laptop was brought in because the HD was full....

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There's a lot of strange claims coming out of this. I see why GD is rather suspicious of them. 

Do you have any links that discuss the email servers questioned? It would be interesting to see what mail system they say Hunter used. 

I've not read that, only that professionals evaluated about a quarter of the emails and concluded all the ones they checked were confirmed genuine. They apparently have impeded info in the files, which say where they were from and what service provider(s) routed it.

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On 12/4/2022 at 7:17 PM, Gromdor said:

Common sense says you are wrong

Feel free to link to the legal statute that verifies this.  The issue with all of you Trump hate zombies is that since YOU never accepted that he was a legitimate president, he had no right to invoke presidential powers.  I've never been able to understand that level of arrogance or delusion.  Cite the statute.

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29 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

That's all true. It doesn't say over what time span this was. So maybe he did do "save file" on these. Seems unlikely though. Seems unlikely he'd have read all 130,000 also. I get about 200 work emails a week and about 100-200 at home emails per week. So that would be about 340 weeks, or about 6 years.

Most of the emails would be commercials/ads I'd bet.

EDIT: I just read the emails were from 2009 to 2019. So maybe it was a normal amount of email... :rofl:

He was a super rich playboy lawyer, so probably had the top quality laptop.

A little research shows that better  laptops from the 2014-2015 time frame usually had 128 Gb HDs, but 256 was available. And the total of the email dump was supposedly 217 Gb. Meaning it very well could have been the laptop was brought in because the HD was full....

I've not read that, only that professionals evaluated about a quarter of the emails and concluded all the ones they checked were confirmed genuine. They apparently have impeded info in the files, which say where they were from and what service provider(s) routed it.

They didn't confirm the email were genuine. The encryption keys were genuine.

Mac Isacc said the computers were suspected to have water damage.  I think he said what the sreen sizes were.  But he left out other simple and basic details that we've seen are provided when handling evidence.

I'm not sure daily use couldn't be simulated by a procedural generation algorithm.

The provenance is kind of becoming moot. We're yet to see the email where The Big Guy accepted a bribe.

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On 12/3/2022 at 6:42 PM, DieChecker said:

From my understanding the President CAN definitely declassify documents. He simply has to let those who control the documents know that he's done so. This can be done in a number of ways, beginning with an Executive Order, or editing an existing Executive order.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents

What he can't do is say he declassified a document and have no physical evidence, no paper trail, no time/date stamp, that he did so. 

If they indict him then this will climb through the courts until SCOTUS clarifies the LAW.

From your source:

"For the most part, the rules for classification and declassification are set forth in presidential executive orders, along with regulations issued by the Information Security Oversight Office 

As I said earlier, these rules and regulations have been cobbled together and have served through tradition to ensure security.  The one common theme that all of you overlook is that they were written for those who would handle classified info as part of their job.  The president has ULTIMATE authority, vested in his position in government.  He is not a soldier or a civil service hire.  He is elected to function as the embodiment of the Executive Branch.   IOW, he - a single elected person- IS the Executive - and as such wields great power.  

Your article clarifies the fact that these rules and regulations arise from a series of Executive Orders, NOT from legislatively derived statutes.

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10 minutes ago, and-then said:

Feel free to link to the legal statute that verifies this.  The issue with all of you Trump hate zombies is that since YOU never accepted that he was a legitimate president, he had no right to invoke presidential powers.  I've never been able to understand that level of arrogance or delusion.  Cite the statute.

You have already been given the statutes that refer to information that poses a risk to national security.

And you accuse others of sticking there head in the sand.

 

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23 minutes ago, and-then said:

Feel free to link to the legal statute that verifies this.  The issue with all of you Trump hate zombies is that since YOU never accepted that he was a legitimate president, he had no right to invoke presidential powers.  I've never been able to understand that level of arrogance or delusion.  Cite the statute.

Huh? Trump had 4 years that afaik he won fairly against hillybeast he had those prez powers for his term and then he was given the boot and no more magical powers.

Now if someone thinks BOM has prez powers today then yes i agree thats delusional and ignorant.

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1 hour ago, and-then said:

If they indict him then this will climb through the courts until SCOTUS clarifies the LAW.

From your source:

"For the most part, the rules for classification and declassification are set forth in presidential executive orders, along with regulations issued by the Information Security Oversight Office 

As I said earlier, these rules and regulations have been cobbled together and have served through tradition to ensure security.  The one common theme that all of you overlook is that they were written for those who would handle classified info as part of their job.  The president has ULTIMATE authority, vested in his position in government.  He is not a soldier or a civil service hire.  He is elected to function as the embodiment of the Executive Branch.   IOW, he - a single elected person- IS the Executive - and as such wields great power.  

Your article clarifies the fact that these rules and regulations arise from a series of Executive Orders, NOT from legislatively derived statutes.

 

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3 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

They didn't confirm the email were genuine. The encryption keys were genuine.

Mac Isacc said the computers were suspected to have water damage.  I think he said what the sreen sizes were.  But he left out other simple and basic details that we've seen are provided when handling evidence.

I'm not sure daily use couldn't be simulated by a procedural generation algorithm.

The provenance is kind of becoming moot. We're yet to see the email where The Big Guy accepted a bribe.

So do you then believe it all was a Russian generated plant? That seems to be what you're implying.

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3 hours ago, and-then said:

If they indict him then this will climb through the courts until SCOTUS clarifies the LAW.

From your source:

"For the most part, the rules for classification and declassification are set forth in presidential executive orders, along with regulations issued by the Information Security Oversight Office 

As I said earlier, these rules and regulations have been cobbled together and have served through tradition to ensure security.  The one common theme that all of you overlook is that they were written for those who would handle classified info as part of their job.  The president has ULTIMATE authority, vested in his position in government.  He is not a soldier or a civil service hire.  He is elected to function as the embodiment of the Executive Branch.   IOW, he - a single elected person- IS the Executive - and as such wields great power.  

Your article clarifies the fact that these rules and regulations arise from a series of Executive Orders, NOT from legislatively derived statutes.

The executive orders limit his own powers. I believe even the President has to live by them.

And the Presidentcy has allowed powers to be ceded to Congressianal legislation.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/

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Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.

Though you may be right that if it goes to the SCOTUS, they might anull such nonExecutive powers.

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45 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

The executive orders limit his own powers. I believe even the President has to live by them.

And the Presidentcy has allowed powers to be ceded to Congressianal legislation.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/

Though you may be right that if it goes to the SCOTUS, they might anull such nonExecutive powers.

Any way its sliced trump messed up badly.

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6 hours ago, and-then said:

Feel free to link to the legal statute that verifies this.  The issue with all of you Trump hate zombies is that since YOU never accepted that he was a legitimate president, he had no right to invoke presidential powers.  I've never been able to understand that level of arrogance or delusion.  Cite the statute.

There is no statute on Common Sense.  It's just someone sane people are born with.  Stuff like you don't drink bleach.

But assuming you don't want the statute on Common Sense, here is the statute on declassifying confidential material: 18 CFR § 3a.21 - Authority to downgrade and declassify. | CFR | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

§ 3a.21 Authority to downgrade and declassify.

(a) The authority to downgrade and declassify information or material shall be exercised as follows:

(1) Information or material may be downgraded or declassified by the official authorizing the original classification, by a successor or by a supervisory official of either.

(2) Downgrading and declassification authority may also be exercised by an official specifically authorized under regulations issued by the head of the Department listed in sections 2 A and B of E.O. 11652, March 10, 1972.

(3) In the case of classified information or material transferred pursuant to statute or Executive order in conjunction with a transfer of function and not merely for storage purposes, the receiving department or agency shall be deemed to be the originating department or agency for all purposes under E.O. 11652, including downgrading and declassification.

(4) In the case of classified information or material not officially transferred under paragraph (a)(3) of this section, but originated in a department or agency which has since ceased to exist, each department or agency in possession shall be deemed to be the originating department or agency for all purposes. Such information or material may be downgraded and declassified after consulting with any other departments or agencies having an interest in the subject matter.

(5) Classified information or material transferred to the General Services Administration for accession to the Archives of the United States shall be downgraded and declassified by the Archivist of the United States in accordance with E.O. 11652, directives of the President issued through the National Security Council, and pertinent regulations of the departments and agencies.

 

Now here's the part that might be confusing for you-  The president declassifies the material- not psychically with his mind but by sending it to the originating department (the original authorizor) and having them remove the classification.  

Here are three conservative judges (Two appointed by Trump) that i guess are arrogant and delusionary enough to have shut him down just a few days ago: Trump DOJ Case: Appeals Court Shuts Down Special Master Review Of Mar-A-Lago Documents (forbes.com)

 

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It's the lack of common sense that is boggling to me.

  A president has the power to pardon for example- but if an inmate is on death row about to get electrocuted and the president just psychically pardons him, the guy is just going to get electrocuted.  The president could whine after the fact that he psychically pardoned him, but without going through the correct process no one would ever know.

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19 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

Heck, just look at the reaction to his social media post about the Constitution! It's ridiculous that such a throwaway comment has been blown out of proportion to make it appear as if he wants to be a dictator!

It's a 'throwaway' comment that somehow no other president seems to have ever made, and that you and your media would be hyperventilating about if Clinton or Obama would have said it.  It's a throwaway comment that would be a big deal for any other ex-president, but you not living here of course may not know that... not that this gap in information and awareness ever seems to factor in your judgment.  If ya don't want to be seen as a dictator-wannabe then don't say stuff that a dictator wanna-be would say, it's not that difficult.  

What's your impartial interpretation of this, where does it not sound like someone who wants to be a dictator:

"“Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”

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14 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

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Which one is president again? 

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10 hours ago, DieChecker said:

So do you then believe it all was a Russian generated plant? That seems to be what you're implying.

That's a pretty long bow to draw.

As "The October Surprise" the purported copy of Hunter Biden's electronic information was a complete failure.

More than two years on the Copy is not the panacea to subdue the tantrums of the Biden Hating, Trump Apologists.

The "solid" reasons for the Copy to be genuine aren't so solid.  Many businesses forecast human behaviour. And, for load testing, as an example, human behaviour is generated.

To satisfy their blood lust, Trump Apologists need to establish a crime beyond reasonable doubt.  The defence can raise doubt that only need to meet the balance of probabilities.  Contitutuonal Fetishists should know this this basic fact.

Mac Isaac has shown he is an amateur at establisging a chain of custody for evidence; and, the case you, yourself, raised - Weiner - shows there a simple and reasonable questions that seemingly can't be answered.

Even disregarding the matter of provenance - today the emails are in the public domain; and, even hosted on a dedicated website.  Where's the magic bullet?

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8 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

 

Even disregarding the matter of provenance - today the emails are in the public domain; and, even hosted on a dedicated website.  Where's the magic bullet?

"10 percent for the big guy"

Hunter has also said during interviews he would never have got the job if his dad wasn't VP.

And after the appointment of hunter, his dad jumped right into a conflict of interest. Just imagine if this was Donald Trump Jr on the board and Trump saying what Biden said below 

 

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9 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

"10 percent for the big guy"

Hunter has also said during interviews he would never have got the job if his dad wasn't VP.

And after the appointment of hunter, his dad jumped right into a conflict of interest. Just imagine if this was Donald Trump Jr on the board and Trump saying what Biden said below 

 

Another post brought to you by the host of specious reasoning.

Uncle Joe and his rambling war stories; but, this one is the one that is true! Definitely true!

Victor Shokin is the epitome of honesty and trustworthy beyond question.  He even signed an affidavit in Eastern Europe.

I gave everyone the haystack earlier in this thread and you, Knob, still can't even find the needle.

Go ahead show you're confused by reality again with your little click of your little emoji.

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3 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

It's a 'throwaway' comment that somehow no other president seems to have ever made

It was a social media post, not a declaration during a press conference! But if you really REALLY want, I can harvest dozens of tweets and other social media posts by democrats (perhaps not former presidents, but certainly other elected officials) that do in fact suggest abolishing the Constitution. Gun Rights, for example, are routinely suggested by democrats that they should be abolished, despite being guaranteed in the Constitution! 

If you want an example of actually ignoring the Constitution, consider the eviction moratorium through the pandemic. Biden extended the eviction moratorium through the pandemic, and this was mere weeks after SCOTUS ruled on it in a split decision with the final vote coming from Brett Kavanaugh who said in the ruling that the moratorium was illegal BUT as it was ending in a month leaving it as is was the best option, and left a warning not to extend it again.  

 

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The application to vacate stay presented to THE CHIEF JUSTICE and by him referred to the Court is denied. JUSTICE THOMAS, JUSTICE ALITO, JUSTICE GORSUCH, and JUSTICE BARRETT would grant the application. JUSTICE KAVANAUGH, concurring. I agree with the District Court and the applicants that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exceeded its existing statutory authority by issuing a nationwide eviction moratorium. See Utility Air Regulatory Group v. EPA, 573 U. S. 302, 324 (2014). Because the CDC plans to end the moratorium in only a few weeks, on July 31, and because those few weeks will allow for additional and more orderly distribution of the congressionally appropriated rental assistance funds, I vote at this time to deny the application to vacate the District Court’s stay of its order. See Barnes v. E-Systems, Inc. Group Hospital Medical & Surgical Ins. Plan, 501 U. S. 1301, 1305 (1991) (Scalia, J., in chambers) (stay depends in part on balance of equities); Coleman v. Paccar Inc., 424 U. S. 1301, 1304 (1976) (Rehnquist, J., in chambers). In my view, clear and specific congressional authorization (via new legislation) would be necessary for the CDC to extend the moratorium past July 31.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20a169_4f15.pdf

That last line in red - clear and specific congressional authority via legislation is NECESSARY for the CDC to extend the moratorium. 

And yet the moratorium was extended....

 

3 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

, and that you and your media would be hyperventilating about if Clinton or Obama would have said it.  It's a throwaway comment that would be a big deal for any other ex-president, but you not living here of course may not know that... not that this gap in information and awareness ever seems to factor in your judgment.  If ya don't want to be seen as a dictator-wannabe then don't say stuff that a dictator wanna-be would say, it's not that difficult.  

What's your impartial interpretation of this, where does it not sound like someone who wants to be a dictator:

"“Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”

I could lay the same thing to you. So many examples of where the media has crucified Republicans and ignored Democrats. Using the Hunter laptop as an example, imagine if the laptop belonged to Eric Trump instead of Hunter. Imagine it had precisely the same information as Hunter's, except that it was owned by the son of Donald Trump! 

I guaran-frakkin-tee you that the story would not have been censored for "potentially hacked material" if it was Eric Trump's laptop! And that's what this argument boils down to. So many left wing posters here are arguing about how this is just evidence of a careful media who doesn't want to run with fake stories, when the truth is they are protecting their favoured candidate by minimising stories that make democrats look bad! 

To your final question, I can only repeat - social media posts are supposed to be worthless. Wasn't there a thread just here recently about a social media post that threatened somebody, and the consensus by the left wing members here was that people say dumb stuff online all the time, it's not newsworthy to bring up social media arguments!!!! I can't recall the specifics of that thread, but it was only in the past few weeks *edit: maybe the one where the democrat called child protection on a Republican for teaching their child that America is a top country. 

So forgive me if I don't buy your outrage that Trump saying something on social media is apparently a big deal! 

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On 12/4/2022 at 10:38 PM, acidhead said:

Interesting... Jim Baker(FBI) was working for Twitter since being hired in June of 2020

 

Aaaand today he's Fired 

 

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Why isn't Mr Baker charged with election interference? Oh, thats right, the FBI would have to be the ones arresting the FBI. Not likely to happen 

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