A Christian petition against Donald Trump's 2024 bid has amassed thousands of signatures

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Michelle said:

Biden has overseen 400,000 COVID deaths. By his own logic, he should resign.

At the Oct. 22, 2020, debate against then-President Donald Trump, Joe Biden said anyone who is responsible for 220,000 deaths from COVID should not be president.

Now, here it is December 2021 and these 220,000 deaths have increased to 813,000.

By my calculations, Joe Biden is now responsible for 417,000 deaths — more than the 396,000 who died while Trump was president. By his own thought process, Biden should have resigned several months ago, especially since he told us he was going to fix this.

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https://news.yahoo.com/biden-overseen-400-000-covid-130158302.html

Hi Michelle 

How many of those deaths were from refusing to get vaccines and why would you put the responsibility of their deaths on Biden?

[Michelle]

5 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Michelle 

How many of those deaths were from refusing to get vaccines and why would you put the responsibility of their deaths on Biden?

The same reason people are putting the responsibility on Trump even before there was a vaccine. What's good for the goose...

Why didn't you ask Raptor the same question?

Edited November 22, 2022 by Michelle

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

You guys do get that the new “radical” GOP isn’t anywhere near as dangerous as those who support never ending constant war right? What’s so horrible about wanting to fix things here at home economically? 

I could go for that.  Ending constant war like pulling out of Afghanistan? 

I sure was wanting to see some plans for fixing the economy.  Personally, I don't like the idea of ending Medicare and Social Security and taxing the middle class more so that campaign contributors can get another tax break.

But of course first thing they did and touted as of primary importance is Hunter Biden Investigation.  Republicans are desperate to prove Joe Biden is as crooked and corrupt as Donald Trump.  How much will that affect the economy or gas prices or grocery bills?

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Michelle said:

The same reason people are putting the responsibility on Trump even before there was a vaccine. What's good for the goose...

Why didn't you ask Raptor the same question?

Hi Michelle 

Trump was not proactive at the start of the vaccine and gave some pretty stupid advice so he does have some responsibility for his actions. Biden encouraged people to get vaccinated and some chose not to so that is not on him.

I didn’t ask Raptor because it was your post that I felt like responding to.

[Michelle]

35 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Trump was not proactive at the start of the vaccine and gave some pretty stupid advice so he does have some responsibility for his actions.

And because he wasn't an expert he brought Fauci and Birx in rather quickly. Biden just bankrupted thousands of small businesses that people had worked their whole lives for. It'll take years to recover from that.

[+Desertrat56]

4 minutes ago, Michelle said:

And because he wasn't an expert he brought Fauci and Birx in rather quickly. Biden just bankrupted thousands of small businesses that people had worked their whole lives for. It'll take years to recover from that.

He never let Fauci talk.  He interrupted him and stood in front of him while he was talking and he waved him off the stage once, so many times and finally did not allow Fauci on the stage to make any statements.

[Michelle]

2 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

He never let Fauci talk.  He interrupted him and stood in front of him while he was talking and he waved him off the stage once, so many times and finally did not allow Fauci on the stage to make any statements.

He and Birx were on the news, by themselves on stage, every day for months and months. People didn't trust them because Trump brought them in.

[jmccr8]

12 minutes ago, Michelle said:

And because he wasn't an expert he brought Fauci and Birx in rather quickly. Biden just bankrupted thousands of small businesses that people had worked their whole lives for. It'll take years to recover from that.

Hi Michelle 

That happened all over the world where businesses went under and people were put under financial stress and not something that just happened in your little corner of the world.

Whether you think the pandemic was real or not is your personal choice the reality was it affected the health and lives of everyone in a real and dangerous way and was an unknown that needed rapid response.

[Michelle]

2 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Whether you think the pandemic was real or not is your personal choice

Nothing of the sort was said so it's time to end this conversation.

[preacherman76]

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

I could go for that.  Ending constant war like pulling out of Afghanistan? 
 

Yes like that. Now we should focus on helping to make peace with Russia and Ukraine. 

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

I sure was wanting to see some plans for fixing the economy.  Personally, I don't like the idea of ending Medicare and Social Security and taxing the middle class more so that campaign contributors can get another tax break.

Well I think it definitely was a mistake pointing fingers instead of pushing policy. Truth is though without the presidency they can’t fix the economy. All they can do for the time being is stop what the president is doing. Who said they were ending Medicare and social security? Who said anything about raising taxes on the middle class? 

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

But of course first thing they did and touted as of primary importance is Hunter Biden Investigation.  Republicans are desperate to prove Joe Biden is as crooked and corrupt as Donald Trump.  How much will that affect the economy or gas prices or grocery bills?

If Joe did half the things he is accused of, he makes Trump look like Mother Teresa. We are talking about a president involved in all kinds of crap including human trafficking. Never mind how he may be compromised by foreign influences. At the very least he is a proven liar. And not lying about the size of his last crowd, but about knowledge of extremely shady pay to play foreign deals. 

[+Desertrat56]

12 minutes ago, Michelle said:

He and Birx were on the news, by themselves on stage, every day for months and months. People didn't trust them because Trump brought them in.

Trump did not bring Fauci in.  He advised president as far back as the 80's when Reagan was president and he was supposedly close with GBush, Sr., Clinton and GWB.    You are saying some really off the wall things.  

[Michelle]

1 minute ago, Desertrat56 said:

Trump did not bring Fauci in.  He advised president as far back as the 80's when Reagan was president and he was supposedly close with GBush, Sr., Clinton and GWB.    You are saying some really off the wall things.  

I just relayed what the Democrats were saying. They do say some pretty off the wall things.

[jmccr8]

2 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Nothing of the sort was said so it's time to end this conversation.

Hi Michelle 

I intended no offence and was saying you can’t blame one politician in you country for how the pandemic affected it as it happened to all of us. I didn’t take the $2000.00 a month our government was handing out because I thought others needed it more and lived off of my savings and whatever jobs that came up. Fortunately there was enough work to keep me from going bat sh:t crazy and also worked on some renovations at my home.

I have lived through though times before so just bit the bullet and move on.

[preacherman76]

Oh and for the record if you were able to sign a “Christian petition” and aren’t a Christian, it isn’t a Christian petition. 

[preacherman76]

1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Michelle 

That happened all over the world where businesses went under and people were put under financial stress and not something that just happened in your little corner of the world.

Whether you think the pandemic was real or not is your personal choice the reality was it affected the health and lives of everyone in a real and dangerous way and was an unknown that needed rapid response.

Problem was it was the wrong political decision. Helped nothing. Only destroyed. Covid had its way everyone it could effect. 

[Tatetopa]

59 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Who said they were ending Medicare and social security? Who said anything about raising taxes on the middle class? 

Senator Rick Scott.

[+and-then]

6 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

If we end up going back to establishment RINO’s I’m done with the GOP. I can’t see that happening though. 
 

You guys do get that the new “radical” GOP isn’t anywhere near as dangerous as those who support never ending constant war right? What’s so horrible about wanting to fix things here at home economically? 

They couldn't explain the threat if their lives depended on it.  Zombified tribalistic cult members.  It has reached the point where I hope to see them get what they've been asking for.  They are clueless...

[preacherman76]

8 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Senator Rick Scott.

Saying we need to lower the budget and get debt under control, which we very clearly should be doing, is not necessarily an attack on SS and Medicare. That’s how media and democrats interpret it. 
 

Democrats are saying any cut in spending is equivalent to the apocalypse. Fear porn, that’s actually accelerating us towards an economic cliff. 

[jmccr8]

19 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Problem was it was the wrong political decision. Helped nothing. Only destroyed. Covid had its way everyone it could effect. 

Hi Preacher 

The same thing happened in every country and I don’t blame my politicians for trying to save lives we did what we did and I will do what I have to nobody is special and should be resourceful enough to move on in life 

[Tatetopa]

2 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Saying we need to lower the budget and get debt under control, which we very clearly should be doing, is not necessarily an attack on SS and Medicare. That’s how media and democrats interpret it. 
 

Democrats are saying any cut in spending is equivalent to the apocalypse. Fear porn, that’s actually accelerating us towards an economic cliff. 

We could easily trim the budget or go back to the tax structure we had when America became great and saw the biggest and longest  prosperity trend for the middle class.  That was a higher progressive tax on the upper income brackets and corporations .  And by the way, it was Eisenhower and other Republicans that oversaw that prosperity.   We choose our modern tax structure.  We chose to make men with hundred billion dollar fortunes and global mega-corporations at the expense of the working class.    That has been the trend since the 60's

[Raptor Witness]

4 hours ago, Michelle said:

He downplayed it so as not to cause panic just like Pelosi did. She went to a parade or something in China Town to prove it was safe. Not to mention, many Democrats said they wouldn't get the shot if Trump recommended it.

Links ???  Most people have heard some of the Woodward tapes.

The Commander in Chief’s job is to be just that, not to tell a gigantic lie to the troops or people.

[Grim Reaper 6]

12 hours ago, Orphalesion said:

Since the whole thing with Trump's huge Evangelical following started I always found it the biggest irony that they don't appear to realize that there's endless red flags that could very easily identify Trump as the False Prophet/Anti Christ who will appear during the end times and deceive multitudes of his eager followers that the NT tries to warn its readers about.
I mean I don't believe in that stuff. But I find it really weird that they don't seem to realize or even consider it.

The entire Christian following that materialize during the 2016 Presidential Election wasn’t do to Donald Trump at all. In fact the thing in this respect that can be attributed to Donald Trump was his choice of his Running Mate Mike Pence. I think your comments concerning the biblical references is spot on, I also can say why so many Christians did give it any serious thought. Yet, later Trump was relation by certain groups of Evangelical Christians could refer to Trump as heaven sent, which is certainly delusional. It’s pretty obvious that Trump may have lost the election if he hadn’t chosen Pence as his running mate. Mike Pence's, 2016 church pitch 4 days prior to the election concerning the Johnson Amendment: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/13546186/johnson-amendment-mike-pence-donald-trump-evangelicals-religious-right-moral-majority

Then fast forward to the 2020 Election. By this time no matter Mike Pence’s credibility ( Which was also no longer wha it once was ) the very Christian Organizations that had ensured his election in 2016 turned their backs upon him in 2020:

“”The straw that “broke the camel’s back” for him was media coverage of how migrant children were being detained in cages (built during the Obama administration) at the southern border, which also drew responses from evangelical leaders at the time and much uproar from the left.”

Did white evangelical support for Trump drop in the 2020 election? :  https://www.christianpost.com/news/did-evangelical-support-for-trump-drop-in-the-2020-election.html

Well the loss of Christian support for Donald Trump has only continued to fall since the January 6, 2021 Capital Insurrection, and the false claims that the election was stolen which has never been proven in anyway to this day. In fact the only True and Horrendous fraud concerning voting was perpetuated by members of the Republican Party. Which was prevented by Mike Pence when he refused to switch fraudulent state elector for the actual electors on 6 January, 2021.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

11 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

It’s because the idea is ridiculous 

What exactly do you find ridiculous ?

[Michelle]

3 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

Links ???  Most people have heard some of the Woodward tapes.

The Commander in Chief’s job is to be just that, not to tell a gigantic lie to the troops or people.

Links to which part? All of what I said was very common knowledge.

[Hankenhunter]

6 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Links to which part? All of what I said was very common knowledge.

If it's all common knowledge, you shouldn't have any problem supplying a link.