California panel estimates $569 billion in reparations is owed to black residents

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

40 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

1. I’d like to know how much white people are going to be paid by the countries that enslaved them. 

2. If you support reparations, explain why only the US is responsible for them.

1] Slim chance of either of us biting on that, we believe in personal accountability. You and I were not enslaved so, *we* will be paid nothing. Ya think libs will ever learn that?

2]  Probably because the US made the promise: This is not my battle.
Forty acres and a mule is part of Special Field Orders No. 15, a wartime order proclaimed by Union General William Tecumseh Sherman
on January 16, 1865, during the American Civil War, to allot land to some freed families, in plots of land no larger than 40 acres (16 ha).
Sherman later ordered the army to lend mules for the agrarian reform effort.

[Eldorado]

California governor Gavin Newsom has refused to endorse plans to pay slave descendants up to $1.2 million (£950,000) each.

Mr Newsom, a Democrat who is rumoured to have White House ambitions, indicated he would not support cash payments proposed by the task force he set up following the murder of George Floyd.

Dealing with the legacy of slavery was “about much more than cash payments” he told Fox News.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/governor-rejects-1-2m-reparation-pay-out-for-black-californians/ar-AA1b0XGM?

[Doug1066]

8 hours ago, glorybebe said:

Where the hell is the money supposed to come from?  Bankrupt the state for people who were never slaves?  Slavery ended 150 years ago.  How many European descent citizens had family in the US at that time?  Why should they have to pay for something neither them nor their ancestors had anything to do with?  They like to spout POC, yet, the Asians are not white and their taxes would be paying for this? Just ridiculous 

My family lost a farm in what is now Watertown, Massachusetts.  It was seized by the Commonwealth during the Revolution.  Under the Treaty of Ghent it was supposed to be returned to us, but it never was.

Same thing applies to US military reservations in Kentucky.

In Ohio, a railroad took a right-of-way across another of my family's farms.  They agreed to return the land to the families or the heirs when they were done with it, but when the railroad went bankrupt, the State of Ohio thought a walking trail along the old right-of-way would be just the thing and seized the land in violation of the agreement.

There are about 4800 British, French, Russian, Spanish, Mexican, Iowa Tribe and House of Burgesses land grants in the US.  There are even the Moravian tracts in Ohio which the US govt took, gave back to the Indians and then took back again.  There's all that reservation land taken under the Dawes Act.  Practically everybody owes reparations to everybody else.

Doug

Edited May 11, 2023 by Doug1066

[Jon the frog]

On 5/9/2023 at 12:33 PM, itsnotoutthere said:

And these, all so we can feel virtuous driving our electric cars :-

Slavery is clearly no a thing of the past...we just find new ways like making stuff far from view. At home, low wage workers that need 3 jobs to survive are not far from slavery either.

Edited May 11, 2023 by Jon the frog

[+Desertrat56]

On 12/3/2022 at 8:49 AM, and-then said:

I grew up dirt poor in south Alabama and my mom's father was a sharecropper working alongside black men in the same existence.  MOST whites in the south were like that.  To force modern people who had no benefit or personal responsibility for slavery, to pay money to OTHER modern Americans who were never enslaved, does nothing but tear the country down even further.  It will engender anger, even hate, and will cause racism to grow.  

Not to mention to just choose one group of people as if they were the only ones enslaved is idiotic.    If I were a descendent of a chinese or Irish or native slave I would be screaming about this.    And the Japanese Americans who were in internment camps during WW2 got a tiny amount for reparations, a lot of them loosing family businesses and homes and family members who died because of lack of medical care that those reparations could not compensate for.

Edited May 11, 2023 by Desertrat56

[CrimsonKing]

2 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Not to mention to just choose one group of people as if they were the only ones enslaved is idiotic.    If I were a descendent of a chinese or Irish or native slave I would be screaming about this.    And the Japanese Americans who were in internment camps during WW2 got a tiny amount for reparations, a lot of them loosing family businesses and homes and family members who died because of lack of medical care that those reparations could not compensate for.

I'm of German,Irish,and Native descent...and I have far more proof than Liz Warren.

I'll take a double reparation... 

[Doug1066]

21 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

I'm of German,Irish,and Native descent...and I have far more proof than Liz Warren.

I'll take a double reparation... 

My kids' ancestors not only came over on the Mayflower, they also met the boat.  Will Rogers move over.

Doug

[+Desertrat56]

19 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

My kids' ancestors not only came over on the Mayflower, they also met the boat.  Will Rogers move over.

Doug

I have varied ancestors, some were colonists, some were slaves, some were indentured servants (also slaves), some immigrated later, and some were native.    It is the big melting pot and anyone in the U.S. who has european ancestors probablly will find they also have ancestors from other parts of the world depending on how recent their ancestors immigrated to the U.S.   And not to mention, my african and japanese ancestors were from before colonization or immigration to the U.S.

[Zebra3]

California Reparations Task Force demands racial discrimination is LEGALIZED: Panel wants state constitution to be amended so they can discriminate against other races and hand up to $1.2m to black residents

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12076993/California-Reparations-Task-Force-wants-legalize-racial-discrimination.html

It's here.

Edited May 12, 2023 by Zebra3

[Doug1066]

15 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I have varied ancestors, some were colonists, some were slaves, some were indentured servants (also slaves), some immigrated later, and some were native.    It is the big melting pot and anyone in the U.S. who has european ancestors probablly will find they also have ancestors from other parts of the world depending on how recent their ancestors immigrated to the U.S.   And not to mention, my african and japanese ancestors were from before colonization or immigration to the U.S.

You're making me feel positively pale.

Doug

[+Desertrat56]

7 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

You're making me feel positively pale.

Doug

I am pale too, pink with lots of freckles.  

[Tatetopa]

Ancestors, we all have them.  They are gone now.  Go back far enough and all of our ancestors are shadows sitting around a campfire. The world is ours now, our behavior is what matters.   Maybe I wouldn't do what some of my ancestors did, and maybe they wouldn't be proud of me either. What is important now is how we set the stage for our descendants.  If there is something we did, we should make it good.  Our responsibility is to ourselves and the next generation, not the past.

We will soon become ancestors and our children will inherit what all of us including our own ancestors have left them.  All we can do is give them our best effort.

[Rolltide]

 

[Zebra3]

 

[Zebra3]

13 minutes ago, Rolltide said:

 

[glorybebe]

2 hours ago, Zebra3 said:

California Reparations Task Force demands racial discrimination is LEGALIZED: Panel wants state constitution to be amended so they can discriminate against other races and hand up to $1.2m to black residents

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12076993/California-Reparations-Task-Force-wants-legalize-racial-discrimination.html

It's here.

I actually told my friend to watch this movie and see where north American society is/could be going 

Edited May 12, 2023 by glorybebe

[+DieChecker]

On 5/9/2023 at 8:01 AM, Doug1066 said:

How much is each recipient going to have to pay in income taxes?

Doug

Maybe thats how they'll end up paying for it all. Each black person will get 1.2 million dollars, and recieve it in alphabetical order over two years. Then they collect 75%-80% of the payment as taxes. Maybe even create a reparations tax. You know, to be progressive. Then use the taxes collected to fund the next generation/month of checks.

Ultimately they'd end up paying like $200,000 to each, and show a big fix to the state budget, if only on paper. Isn't government wonderful??

Edited May 12, 2023 by DieChecker

[Doug1066]

3 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Isn't government wonderful??

The Federal govt is probably the only entity on earth that can spend itself rich.  But it has to do it in the right way.  The money has to go to people who will buy manufactured products like beans and cars and houses and other things that will put people to work making them.  The taxes on those incomes will drastically reduce the cost.

It does not work to give the money to corporations that will use it to buy stocks or "invest" it in things that only put one secretary to work.  I don't blame Rubs for wanting to balance the budget.  They know that the people who get most of it do not contribute much to the economy.

Trickle down does not work.  Don't trickle down on me!

Doug

[Tatetopa]

10 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Isn't government wonderful??

Beats anarchy on one wing and authoritarianism on the opposite wing. 

 If we were living in paradise with perfect humans, government would be without flaw.   Sadly I think the best we can expect is to try our best but never reach perfection.

[Zebra3]

24 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

I actually told my friend to watch this movie and see where north American society is/could be going 

Told the wife to read 1984, surprised she hadn't.

[+Desertrat56]

2 minutes ago, Zebra3 said:

Told the wife to read 1984, surprised she hadn't.

Another one that is happening to some extent now is A Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.     Feel sad, take your government mandated mood leveler pill.   

[jmccr8]

On 5/12/2023 at 1:30 PM, DieChecker said:

Maybe thats how they'll end up paying for it all. Each black person will get 1.2 million dollars, and recieve it in alphabetical order over two years. Then they collect 75%-80% of the payment as taxes. Maybe even create a reparations tax. You know, to be progressive. Then use the taxes collected to fund the next generation/month of checks.

Ultimately they'd end up paying like $200,000 to each, and show a big fix to the state budget, if only on paper. Isn't government wonderful??

Hi Die

Up here have seen people handed sums of money from $60-150k and it got spent on cars that they crashed after spending the rest on booze and drugs. Better off to just give them a lot to build a house on that is conditional like they have to live in it for X number of years before they can sell it.

Ultimately the money they get goes back to the system one way or the other it would be nice if they put it to productive personal growth. The reality is that for most it won’t.

[HandsomeGorilla]

On 5/12/2023 at 3:52 PM, Desertrat56 said:

Another one that is happening to some extent now is A Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.     Feel sad, take your government mandated mood leveler pill.   

It's one of my favorites and I'm re-reading it now. Check out Island by him if you haven't already.

[+DieChecker]

23 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Die

Up here have seen people handed sums of money from $60-150k and it got spent on cars that they crashed after spending the rest on booze and drugs. Better off to just give them a lot to build a house on that is conditional like they have to live in it for X number of years before they can sell it.

Ultimately the money they get goes back to the system one way or the other it would be nice if they put it to productive personal growth. The reality is that for most it won’t.

I'd agree... Most would squander the money. Idiot proofing the money would be to their benefit, but I think most just want to get it and spend it.

[Zebra3]

Leading member of San Fran reparations task force now suggests taxing its billionaires to fund payments of up to $5M for every black person in the city

Why not?