Trump calls for rescinding the Constitution

[lightly]

7 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

So at least two, then. TDS is a term too often bandied about, but perhaps it is appropriate here???? 

There are two strains of that malady…Trump Derangement Syndrome..  (people who can clearly see the man is Nuts!)  and  Trump Delusional Syndrome.. (people who see him as some sort of savior).       He’s the type who would save you into a prison camp ,or have you shot, for disagreeing with his EMINENCE. .if given a chance to take POWER.  

Edited December 6, 2022 by lightly

[+Link of Hyrule]

2 minutes ago, lightly said:

There are two strains of that malady…Trump Derangement Syndrome..  (people who can clearly see the man is Nuts!)  and  Trump Delusional Syndrome.. (people who see him as some sort of savior).    

Both are equally ridiculous, though your qualifier of "clearly" demonstrates your clear preferences and which side of the fence you fall on. Trump is not a saviour, though. 

[el midgetron]

4 hours ago, Portre said:

His Flabbiness wants to:

ter·mi·nate

[ˈtərməˌnāt]

VERB

1. bring to an end:

   "he was advised to terminate the contract"

    

   Democrats want to:

   a·mend

   [əˈmend]

   VERB

   amended (past tense) · amended (past participle)

   1. make minor changes in (a text) in order to make it fairer, more accurate, or more up-to-date:

      "the rule was amended to apply only to nonmembers"

       

      See any difference?  

There is no difference. Doesn’t matter how hard you want it to be true. If you “amend” the Constitutional rule of the electoral college to end it, then you have terminated the electoral college. Play all the word games you want, the meaning remains the same. 
 

You could “amend” your pregnancy by getting an abortion. Doesn’t matter what you call it, you still terminated your pregnancy. 
 

It’s the same thing with Trump telling his supporters to “fight”. When Trump says it, it’s OMFG the end of the world. When Democrats use such violent political language, then that’s totally something different. 

[Portre]

17 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

There is no difference. Doesn’t matter how hard you want it to be true. If you “amend” the Constitutional rule of the electoral college to end it, then you have terminated the electoral college. Play all the word games you want, the meaning remains the same. 
 

You could “amend” your pregnancy by getting an abortion. Doesn’t matter what you call it, you still terminated your pregnancy. 
 

It’s the same thing with Trump telling his supporters to “fight”. When Trump says it, it’s OMFG the end of the world. When Democrats use such violent political language, then that’s totally something different. 

Amend a pregnancy?  Really? Who the **** talks like that other than someone caught trying to play word games?

There is a legal, constitutional method to amend the constitution.  There is no legal, constitutional way to terminate it.

The twice impeached President said "FIGHT" and his mob stormed the Capitol with the intent to terminate the peaceful transfer of power.  They were thinking "amend".

[el midgetron]

1 hour ago, Portre said:

You really should read past the headlines.

From one of the articles you referenced:

In 2012, 54 percent of Republican-leaning adults said that they wanted to amend the Constitution to allow the candidate with the most votes nationwide to become          president. But in 2016, following Trump’s election, GOP support for the idea dropped to just 19 percent

Republicans’ change of opinion in the Gallup surveys appears to have been driven by awareness that Trump did not win the national popular vote.

I’m not the one claiming the sky is falling,

So, what’s your point here? “Amending” isn’t “terminating” but if Republicans change their support for “amending” then suddenly “amending” (or “not amending”) is bad again? All you have done is highlight how tragically mundane the ever shifting sands of calls to amending the Constitution is,

Let me guess, you have no clue that the Democrats have also cried foul and tossed around accusations of elections being stolen and floated the idea of amending the Constitution in response? Of course not, because they just call it “saving democracy” and their voters are none the wiser,

[el midgetron]

Just now, Portre said:

Amend a pregnancy?  Really? Who the **** talks like that other than someone caught trying to play word games?

There is a legal, constitutional method to amend the constitution.  There is no legal, constitutional way to terminate it.

The twice impeached President said "FIGHT" and his mob stormed the Capitol with the intent to terminate the peaceful transfer of power.  They were thinking "amend".

So you can end a rule, make it non-existent but you didn’t “terminate” it? 

[Portre]

1 minute ago, el midgetron said:

I’m not the one claiming the sky is falling,

No. You are the one who sees a vast difference between 54% and 60%.

 

2 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

“Amending” isn’t “terminating”

Yes, but do you understand the difference?  

And while we are amending to terminate the Electoral College, let's also terminate, I mean, amend to terminate the Senate and expand the House by about 12 times (comparable to the representation of the 1st Congress).

[Portre]

2 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

So you can end a rule, make it non-existent but you didn’t “terminate” it? 

Yes, because the US Constitution allows it, like prohibition.  It was terminated through a constitutional amendment

[Tatetopa]

One of may favorite bosses used to say, "Pick and excuse, any one will do." No doubt supporters have a boatload of alternative facts as to what Trump really meant.

[el midgetron]

7 minutes ago, Portre said:

No. You are the one who sees a vast difference between 54% and 60%.

Never claimed I did. 
 

Quote

Yes, but do you understand the difference?  

And while we are amending to terminate the Electoral College, let's also terminate, I mean, amend to terminate the Senate and expand the House by about 12 times (comparable to the representation of the 1st Congress).

HOW OUTRAGEOUS THAT YOU ARE CALLING TO TERMINATE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!! YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THE REPUBLIC!!!! THE MILITARY SHOULD DRAG YOU AWAY AND TRY YOU FOR TREASON!!!!

The fake outrage around Trump is that ridiculous.

Edited December 6, 2022 by el midgetron

[psyche101]

Elon Musk lashes Donald Trump over calls to terminate the constitution

 

Donald Trump has been rebuked by senior members of his own party as well as by Elon Musk after he called to terminate the US Constitution because he lost the 2020 election.

The statement drew the ire of Musk, who has been increasingly attaching himself to right-wing viewpoints since he bought Twitter.

"The Constitution is greater than any President. End of story," Musk tweeted.

[spartan max2]

10 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Never claimed I did. 
 

HOW OUTRAGEOUS THAT YOU ARE CALLING TO TERMINATE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!! YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THE REPUBLIC!!!! THE MILITARY SHOULD DRAG YOU AWAY AND TRY YOU FOR TREASON!!!!

The fake outrage around Trump is that ridiculous.

The reason these things are different to me (and for the record I think getting rid of the EC would be a mistake) is that getting rid of the EC for a popular vote is a specific change based on a philosophical difference in if our president should be picked on popular vote or not. 

While Trump's vauge constitution termination is only because of his unfounded conspiracy theories of rigged fraud elections.

There is a big difference between specific changes based on philosophical arguments and vauge constitutions destruction based on dangerous conspiracies. 

Plus with Jan 6th and the fake electors scheme, Trump dosen't get any benefit of the doubt. His actions have proven him to not have good intentions.

Changes based upon unfounded conspiracies seems like a bad reason to make constitutional changes.

Edited December 6, 2022 by spartan max2

[el midgetron]

2 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Elon Musk lashes Donald Trump over calls to terminate the constitution

 

Donald Trump has been rebuked by senior members of his own party as well as by Elon Musk after he called to terminate the US Constitution because he lost the 2020 election.

The statement drew the ire of Musk, who has been increasingly attaching himself to right-wing viewpoints since he bought Twitter.

"The Constitution is greater than any President. End of story," Musk tweeted.

Except that never happened. Trump never called to “terminate the Constitution”. All he’s saying is that the Democrats cheated so bad that the rules need not apply, 

For the record I disagree with him but the overly dramatic fainting in horror about his words is just par for the course. 
 

[el midgetron]

9 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

While Trump's vauge constitution termination is only because of his unfounded conspiracy theories of rigged fraud elections.

There is none worse than the unfounded conspiracy theories of fraudulent elections, than those proposed by an illegitimate president. 

Edited December 7, 2022 by el midgetron

[spartan max2]

1 minute ago, el midgetron said:

The is none worse than the unfounded conspiracy theories of fraudulent elections purposed by an illegitimate president. 

My mistake for trying to have a real discussion with you.

[psyche101]

16 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Except that never happened. Trump never called to “terminate the Constitution”. All he’s saying is that the Democrats cheated so bad that the rules need not apply, 

For the record I disagree with him but the overly dramatic fainting in horror about his words is just par for the course. 
 

 

 

Go tweet to Musk about it. 

[lightly]

1 hour ago, el midgetron said:

Except that never happened. Trump never called to “terminate the Constitution”. All he’s saying is that the Democrats cheated so bad that the rules need not apply, 

For the record I disagree with him but the overly dramatic fainting in horror about his words is just par for the course. 
 

A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!" he said.

        As always…magic mouth said something ,,without actually saying something.    He is completely incapable of structuring a completely coherent and clearly understandable thought.         But, he does understand the message that statement sends to his worshippers.

Edited December 7, 2022 by lightly

[Golden Duck]

12 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

As I suspected, it was a joke! 

 

Didn't Trudeau also praise China's dictatorship? No one in the mainstream left wing media is arguing that Trudeau wants to become a dictator, however! 

 

He was clearly joking. Only your hatred of the man makes you think he's serious! 

Even with you clear cherry picking your whattaboutism is crippled. 

[el midgetron]

10 hours ago, lightly said:

 He is completely incapable of structuring a completely coherent and clearly understandable thought.         But, he does understand the message that statement sends to his worshippers.

All throughout the Trump years we’ve heard these contradictory accusations about Trump. He’s a complete buffoon to stupid to tie his own shoes BUT she’s also a devious mastermind who routinely commits high treason and executes masterful plots and is always able to evade capture!
 

So, he’s “completely incapable of structuring a coherent and clearly understandable thought” BUT (according to his detractors) they know what he is REALLY saying, nudge nudge. Basically, according to you, between his detractors like yourself and his “worshipers” as you claim, everyone apparently understands what you call his  “completely incoherent non-understandable messages”.

[Golden Duck]

13 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

All throughout the Trump years we’ve heard these contradictory accusations about Trump. He’s a complete buffoon to stupid to tie his own shoes BUT she’s also a devious mastermind who routinely commits high treason and executes masterful plots and is always able to evade capture!
 

So, he’s “completely incapable of structuring a coherent and clearly understandable thought” BUT (according to his detractors) they know what he is REALLY saying, nudge nudge. Basically, according to you, between his detractors like yourself and his “worshipers” as you claim, everyone apparently understands what you call his  “completely incoherent non-understandable messages”.

Who are quoting in end of your post, yourself?

[el midgetron]

11 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Who are quoting in end of your post, yourself?

“Completely” “coherent” “understandable” & “message” are lightly’s words.  I modified them to reflect lightly was describing Trump as being incapable of those things.

Edited December 7, 2022 by el midgetron

[+Link of Hyrule]

10 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Even with you clear cherry picking your whattaboutism is crippled. 

So when right wing figures praise China,  it's evidence of fascism. When left wing figures praise China it's just an off handed throwaway line!

Your can call that whataboutisms,  if you like.  Let's say it is! It is also evidence of extreme hypocrisy!

[Golden Duck]

3 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

So when right wing figures praise China,  it's evidence of fascism. When left wing figures praise China it's just an off handed throwaway line!

Your can call that whataboutisms,  if you like.  Let's say it is! It is also evidence of extreme hypocrisy!

I'm not sure you know what that means.

You are whingeing about the reaction to what your Idol said.  In fact you said he was crucified.

Your supposed demonstration of hypocrisy is that the Prime Minister of a different nation said something vaguely similar if you're prepared to abuse conventional English usage.  You choose to ignore the fallout from those comments.

You preach logic but often abandon it for Trump's sake.

Hypocrisy thy name is Paranoid Android.

[el midgetron]

[lightly]

11 hours ago, el midgetron said:

All throughout the Trump years we’ve heard these contradictory accusations about Trump. He’s a complete buffoon to stupid to tie his own shoes BUT she’s also a devious mastermind who routinely commits high treason and executes masterful plots and is always able to evade capture!
 

So, he’s “completely incapable of structuring a coherent and clearly understandable thought” BUT (according to his detractors) they know what he is REALLY saying, nudge nudge. Basically, according to you, between his detractors like yourself and his “worshipers” as you claim, everyone apparently understands what you call his  “completely incoherent non-understandable messages”.

Exactly.