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Scientist who worked at Wuhan lab says COVID was man-made virus


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A scientist who worked at a controversial research lab in China has claimed that COVID was a man-made virus that leaked from the facility, according to a report.

Andrew Huff, who worked for a New York-based nonprofit that studied viruses, said COVID leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China two-plus years ago and blamed authorities for the “biggest US intelligence failure since 9/11,” Britain’s the Sun reported Saturday.

The lab has been at the center of fierce debates about the origins of COVID, with both Chinese government officials and lab personnel denying that the virus leaked from the facility.

Huff, an epidemiologist, said in his new book, “The Truth About Wuhan,” that the pandemic was the result of the US government’s funding of coronaviruses in China.

 

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Huff is a former vice president of EcoHealth Alliance, a New York-based nonprofit that studies infectious diseases. The group has been studying different coronaviruses in bats for more than a decade with funding from the National Institutes of Health, and had forged close ties to the Wuhan lab.

Huff, who worked at EcoHealth Alliance from 2014 to 2016, said the nonprofit helped the Wuhan lab put together the “best existing methods to engineer bat coronaviruses to attack other species” for many years.

 

:D Have fun :D

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Proof of claims? Oh, yeah, nevermind.

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1 hour ago, OverSword said:

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:D Have fun :D

EcoHealth Alliance put out a statement showing he's a liar.

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12 minutes ago, Piney said:

EcoHealth Alliance put out a statement showing he's a liar.

https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/2022/12/ecohealth-alliance-statement-regarding-book-by-andrew-huff

I would add that they don't prove anything.  they make several statements not verified yet.  If anyone really wants to know what's in the book and what the source material is they will probably have to read it themselves.

 

 

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Just now, OverSword said:

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Google it. It's right on their front page.

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2 minutes ago, Piney said:

Google it. It's right on their front page.

Thanks.  I notice that the book was released today but the statement was released yesterday.  So they read the entire thing in order to dispute it the day before it was released?  Maybe they had an advanced copy, maybe they are arguing against statements he made on news programs.  Maybe they are accused of a crime and cover-up and are continuing a cover up.  Who knows?  

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1 minute ago, OverSword said:

Thanks.  I notice that the book was released today but the statement was released yesterday.  So they read the entire thing in order to dispute it the day before it was released?  Maybe they had an advanced copy, maybe they are arguing against statements he made on news programs.  Maybe they are accused of a crime and cover-up and are continuing a cover up.  Who knows?  

Before books are released a reviewer can order one a month or so ahead.  My sisters did it all the time with biology and Native culture books.

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The REAL virus we should be worrying about is tribalism.  

ETA - One more point that occurred to me... can anyone here think of what WOULD legitimately change their mind about the conclusions they've come to on this question?  Would a "defector" from the CCP who made the same accusation, convince you?  How about the "Bat Lady"?  Seriously consider that question.  

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12 minutes ago, and-then said:

The REAL virus we should be worrying about is tribalism.  

ETA - One more point that occurred to me... can anyone here think of what WOULD legitimately change their mind about the conclusions they've come to on this question?  Would a "defector" from the CCP who made the same accusation, convince you?  How about the "Bat Lady"?  Seriously consider that question.  

Defectors are not a dependable source for any intel. They could be double agents with disinformation, or they could be making things up to make their own situation look worse. 

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20 minutes ago, and-then said:

The REAL virus we should be worrying about is tribalism.  

ETA - One more point that occurred to me... can anyone here think of what WOULD legitimately change their mind about the conclusions they've come to on this question?  Would a "defector" from the CCP who made the same accusation, convince you?  How about the "Bat Lady"?  Seriously consider that question.  

I can answer that.  No.  Emperor Xi himself could state it and it wouldn't change any minds.

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54 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I can answer that.  No.  Emperor Xi himself could state it and it wouldn't change any minds.

Story telling is what this thread is about. It isn't the sort of evidence that is reliable.

A guy tells a story that just might be about selling books and making money. His company says he is a liar.

Where is the evidence? What story does the author trying to sell a book that can be independently verified to support his case?

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26 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Story telling is what this thread is about. It isn't the sort of evidence that is reliable.

A guy tells a story that just might be about selling books and making money. His company says he is a liar.

Where is the evidence? What story does the author trying to sell a book that can be independently verified to support his case?

What? The evidence showing he actually worked at the lab?

Welllll......He said he did. :whistle:

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46 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Story telling is what this thread is about. It isn't the sort of evidence that is reliable.

A guy tells a story that just might be about selling books and making money. His company says he is a liar.

Where is the evidence? What story does the author trying to sell a book that can be independently verified to support his case?

After you read the book let me know. 

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46 minutes ago, OverSword said:

After you read the book let me know. 

Not interested in story telling. Get enough of that malarkey.

I'll read the book if someone shows that there is any factual evidence backing up this story teller.

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https://www.city-journal.org/emails-cast-more-doubt-on-the-official-covid-story

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The emails begin with vigorous statements by the American virologists explaining their initial view that the virus had indeed been concocted in a laboratory. Mike Farzan of Scripps said that he was “bothered by the furin site” and had “a hard time explaining that as an event outside the lab.”

"Fauci by this time knew that his agency was funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology to manipulate coronaviruses. It is unclear how much of this he had told Collins. A possible interpretation of the emails is that they reflect a process stage-managed by Farrar and Fauci to accomplish two ends. One was to supply evidence to explain why the American virologists were recanting their initial conclusion about SARS-CoV2 being lab-made. The other was to persuade the two senior officials, Collins and Vallance, that there was nothing to see here, just a little misunderstanding that could safely be put to rest."

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3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

https://www.city-journal.org/emails-cast-more-doubt-on-the-official-covid-story

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The emails begin with vigorous statements by the American virologists explaining their initial view that the virus had indeed been concocted in a laboratory. Mike Farzan of Scripps said that he was “bothered by the furin site” and had “a hard time explaining that as an event outside the lab.”

"Fauci by this time knew that his agency was funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology to manipulate coronaviruses. It is unclear how much of this he had told Collins. A possible interpretation of the emails is that they reflect a process stage-managed by Farrar and Fauci to accomplish two ends. One was to supply evidence to explain why the American virologists were recanting their initial conclusion about SARS-CoV2 being lab-made. The other was to persuade the two senior officials, Collins and Vallance, that there was nothing to see here, just a little misunderstanding that could safely be put to rest."

Good article

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4 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

https://www.city-journal.org/emails-cast-more-doubt-on-the-official-covid-story

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The emails begin with vigorous statements by the American virologists explaining their initial view that the virus had indeed been concocted in a laboratory. Mike Farzan of Scripps said that he was “bothered by the furin site” and had “a hard time explaining that as an event outside the lab.”

"Fauci by this time knew that his agency was funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology to manipulate coronaviruses. It is unclear how much of this he had told Collins. A possible interpretation of the emails is that they reflect a process stage-managed by Farrar and Fauci to accomplish two ends. One was to supply evidence to explain why the American virologists were recanting their initial conclusion about SARS-CoV2 being lab-made. The other was to persuade the two senior officials, Collins and Vallance, that there was nothing to see here, just a little misunderstanding that could safely be put to rest."

That is a misquote concerning Mike Farzan. He did NOT say he was “bothered by the furin site” and had “a hard time explaining that as an event outside the lab.” Instead Farzan was relating what someone else stated.

But this is old and public.

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On 12/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, Cho Jinn said:

One can smell the desperation of people trying to throw water on this most obvious of explanations.

You mean the least plausible. Please explain why it did not start there, the multiple strains, etc. that make the lab improbable.

Desperation is from those that repeatedly tell falsehoods such as:

  • Masks don't work - studies show they do
  • Vaccines don't work - studies show they do
  • Vaccines don't stop transmission - studies show they do
  • You die or you completely recover - dozens and dozens of studies show the damage caused by COVID-19
  • HCQ and ivermectin work - studies show they are not effective when it comes to COVID-19
  • Lockdowns don't work - studies show they do

 

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Everyone should know that gain of function means adding a capability to an organism i did not already have.

Examples of gain of function:

  • A gene that allows a plant to avoid death from a fungus
  • A gene that allows an adenovirus to become a vaccine.
  • A gene that makes rice produce enough vitamin to prevent permanent blindness in children.

https://www.irri.org/golden-rice

http://goldenrice.org/

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In the 1990s, between 23–34% of children under 5 deaths in the world were VAD related. Progress against the UN Millennium Development Goals brought down this number to about 2% of all deaths attributed to VAD. This was achieved by a combination of mass vaccination programs against measles, better access to clean water, and vitamin A supplementation, along with economic development and education about diet reducing food insecurity. With community health programs having been adversely affected by the pandemic there is an imminent danger that VAD related deaths might climb again toward 1990s levels.

GOF in the case of golden rice will save millions of lives and the eyesight of half a million people a year.

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