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[Merged] Kari Lake Files Lawsuit in Bid to Overturn Arizona Election Defeat


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1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

I see.  Accept the opinion of an entitled smaller group of sore losers that refuse to accept the opinion of larger group to preserve democracy.

The mostly peaceful protests and “people’s autonomous zones” already demonstrate that the small minority can cause widespread havoc. 

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

Or, don't accept how voting works because a minority of voters don't accept how voting works.

or they genuinely think that something was hinky about the election and “nah, **** you lost” isn’t going to allay those concerns. if you do not have the right to question the democratic process and have those concerns addressed you do not have a democratic process.

 

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3 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Legal experts. In Court. Offering a legally binding opinion.

Did you follow this case?  The judge that agreed to set the trial also set a literally impossible legal standard of proof.  The man demanded to see proof of the intent to do harm.  Think about that a moment.  How in hell can one person prove what another's motivations and mindset are in such a situation?  Those two things are demonstrated through their ACTIONS.  It's obvious that fraud took place that day and even the state's witnesses admitted that the chain of custody on a quarter million ballots was broken.  No count was made for proof of the number at the polling stations, but they were counted at some central clearing house.  There a couple of such issues where it was blatantly obvious that state laws were clearly broken.

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7 hours ago, and-then said:

At some point the Left is finally going to realize that the opinions of the other half of the nation actually do matter.  Trust in the electoral system is all that binds this nation together and when roughly half of the country loses that, as a result of "continuing irregularities" in the system - that ALWAYS favor one party's candidates - then the collapse will come. 

I won't bother to engage on any more of these topics here because they are obviously designed to foment anger and arguments and it changes nothing, it just stokes more division.  The Democrats in Maricopa flipped an election by cheating and they've been rewarded.  From what I understand, there is a recall movement underway already to remove Hobbs.  Of course, if the same people are in control of how the elections are run, nothing is going to change, so it's a waste of time but every time they cheat and the methods are proven in public, the more lawless that community will become. 

So rejoice, hypocrites!  You have stolen the power again.  Just don't be too surprised when the people spit on you and tell you what you can DO with your rules and edicts.  

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Just for clarification parties don’t win elections with half (50%) they win with a majority. There will be people that voted one way in an election and vote for the other party in the next election because they were not satisfied with how the previous administration performed. That is what happened to Trump he lost votes because he didn’t perform as promised so people that helped vote him in decided to vote for Biden just to keep Trump out of power.

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Proving intent is hard but not impossible and it is important to proving fraud.

Take the Trump Organization trial.  The prosecutors were able to prove intent to the jurors- The defense said that the CFO commited the fraud to only benefit himself while the prosecutors had to prove his intent was to do it for the company.  Trump Organization Trial Starts With Sparring Over Allen Weisselberg’s Intent - WSJ

 

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7 hours ago, and-then said:

At some point the Left is finally going to realize that the opinions of the other half of the nation actually do matter.  Trust in the electoral system is all that binds this nation together and when roughly half of the country loses that, as a result of "continuing irregularities" in the system - that ALWAYS favor one party's candidates - then the collapse will come. 

I won't bother to engage on any more of these topics here because they are obviously designed to foment anger and arguments and it changes nothing, it just stokes more division.  The Democrats in Maricopa flipped an election by cheating and they've been rewarded.  From what I understand, there is a recall movement underway already to remove Hobbs.  Of course, if the same people are in control of how the elections are run, nothing is going to change, so it's a waste of time but every time they cheat and the methods are proven in public, the more lawless that community will become. 

So rejoice, hypocrites!  You have stolen the power again.  Just don't be too surprised when the people spit on you and tell you what you can DO with your rules and edicts.  

There is a difference between trust and the state of things.

There is no evidence of any widespread fraud in elections as claimed by the orange Florida man or this Arizona wacko. Yet, people might not trust.

You claim "The Democrats in Maricopa flipped an election by cheating". Can you substantiate any of that? I know and you know you cannot. You throw out that trash talk and can never back up your stories.

It is this pattern of telling lies that erodes trust. I can only guess that you side with those that want to erode trust when that erosion is based on nothing but putrid lies.

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46 minutes ago, lightly said:

If the system is rigged to  “ALWAYS favor one party’s candidates”. .why is the house and senate nearly always nearly EVENLY divided?  The majority flops back and forth so their is ALWAYS someone to blame for the mess we’re in Now! … just a sec, ((google)) ..yup, sure enough…There have been more Republican presidents in the nation’s history, than Democrats. (19 to 16).   Did you notice the recent president…Donald j trump won as a Republican?  Wake up, both sides suck.

That is a very interesting point you make. I have noticed that the 50-50 divide also appears in many political issues. It surprises me that there is this almost even split.

People have to be careful here because this split is not one side against another side. There is overlap between issues. We live in a multifaceted society with many different points of view that is our often our strength.

What weakens us is the out of touch small radical minority. They are the few that are far left and far right. They support their radical ideas with lie after lie. They don't want the truth but their own string of lies.

But really your observation of evenly divided is my observation as well. In some fashion we are observing the same situation. :tu:

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43 minutes ago, and-then said:

Did you follow this case?  The judge that agreed to set the trial also set a literally impossible legal standard of proof.  The man demanded to see proof of the intent to do harm.  Think about that a moment.  How in hell can one person prove what another's motivations and mindset are in such a situation?  Those two things are demonstrated through their ACTIONS.  It's obvious that fraud took place that day and even the state's witnesses admitted that the chain of custody on a quarter million ballots was broken.  No count was made for proof of the number at the polling stations, but they were counted at some central clearing house.  There a couple of such issues where it was blatantly obvious that state laws were clearly broken.

He set the typical standard. Your claims of " literally impossible" are you just pretending this is extraordinary. It wasn't.

Turns out that courts routinely show "proof of the intent to do harm." Apparently, you choose not to notice that.

And this is another of bald faced lies: "It's obvious that fraud took place that day"

Have you ever considered joining reality? You might like it

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1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

The mostly peaceful protests and “people’s autonomous zones” already demonstrate that the small minority can cause widespread havoc. 

or they genuinely think that something was hinky about the election and “nah, **** you lost” isn’t going to allay those concerns. if you do not have the right to question the democratic process and have those concerns addressed you do not have a democratic process.

 

What you're asking for is in the scope of the FEC.

The judge looked at the complaint and dismissed it as speculative.  The plantiff had nothing reasonable to present to the court.

The courts are there to provide injunctive relief not to entertain the meritless hail-mary.

In sure the US common law would have an analog for the Briginshaw Standard.  The quality of to support a remedy to overturn a democratic process should necessarily be high.

Appeasing losers on whims is the thin end of the wedge towards legitimising coups and terrorism.  The Constitutional fetishsists dont seem to realise that that means the end of the Constitution. 

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2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

He's living in your head rent free.  What a great deal.

What a great deal for Trump. People admire the criminal.

I can't wait for Trump to convicted for his crimes from rape to fraud to insurrection.

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4 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

He's living in your head rent free.  What a great deal.

Everybody loves Trump!

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2 hours ago, stereologist said:

What a great deal for Trump. People admire the criminal.

I can't wait for Trump to convicted for his crimes from rape to fraud to insurrection.

And home invasion, if he’s living somewhere rent free.

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On 12/11/2022 at 8:18 AM, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

So here we are. 
The state of democracy report: 
UK - technically a kleptocracy where the government is solely acting to enrich itself. 
Oz - (former) PM made himself multiple ministers (in secret) and made decisions (in secret) that affected the nation … to the profit of his mates and donours. 
US - “I don’t like that I lost, I’ll sue”. 

And Fiji.  You left out Fiji.

Out of those four the USA is running a distant last in How To Run an Election.

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2 hours ago, acidhead said:

Everybody loves Trump!

I love Trump in Jail

I love Trump in financial ruin as he should be

I love Trump convicted of rape as he should be

I love Trump convicted of high treason as he should be

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27 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

And Fiji.  You left out Fiji.

Out of those four the USA is running a distant last in How To Run an Election.

Ohh Fiji is in rhe middle of a brewing coup, or as they like to call it “Tuesday”.

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1 minute ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Ohh Fiji is in rhe middle of a brewing coup, or as they like to call it “Tuesday”.

But there is never talk of stolen elections - only action.

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3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

But there is never talk of stolen elections - only action.

True, the Yanks should take a leaf out of Fiji’s book. If oyu’re going to coup, coup properly.

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10 hours ago, stereologist said:

He set the typical standard. Your claims of " literally impossible" are you just pretending this is extraordinary. It wasn't.

Turns out that courts routinely show "proof of the intent to do harm." Apparently, you choose not to notice that.

And this is another of bald faced lies: "It's obvious that fraud took place that day"

Have you ever considered joining reality? You might like it


Agreed. Not impossible at all. There is no way 19 inch ballots were created for a 20 inch voting machine . Someone must have deliberately gone into the printer and changed it, going through several levels of security according to expert witness. 

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NTM the mail in ballots, which by Arizona law must be counted in the original location they are brought to, As we have now seen in court testimony, were not. They were brought to another location and counted without sufficient supervision traveling from one place to the other. 

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Is challenging voting results against the law?

Looking from accross the pond, recent elections in US look ridiculous. WTF with bringing ballots after voting is closed?

We vote with passports/IDs, no one complains, there is time limit to count the votes, there is time limit when results have to be published.

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2 hours ago, preacherman76 said:


Agreed. Not impossible at all. There is no way 19 inch ballots were created for a 20 inch voting machine . Someone must have deliberately gone into the printer and changed it, going through several levels of security according to expert witness. 

Maybe it was god doing his part. To save humanity from Kari.

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