[Merged] Kari Lake Files Lawsuit in Bid to Overturn Arizona Election Defeat

[bmk1245]

3 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

NTM the mail in ballots, which by Arizona law must be counted in the original location they are brought to, As we have now seen in court testimony, were not. They were brought to another location and counted without sufficient supervision traveling from one place to the other. 

So, the laws are broken. Again, can someone explain to me how US voting system works? Yak....

[Gromdor]

26 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

So, the laws are broken. Again, can someone explain to me how US voting system works? Yak....

It's simple.  Each state has their own laws and conducts their own election.  A New York law for instance does not apply to Arizona.  For all intents and purposes, each state is considered their own country in that regards.  It's why I find it amusing that people who live in different states get outraged for something that really isn't their business at all. 

The downside of course is that some states are a bit backwards and primitive in their methods, but it is their Constitutional right to be that way.  It's also why we don't have an easy, quick, nationalized system with uniform laws.

I mean, we are living in 2022 after all.  We could have a national block chain system that makes your registration unique to you, check/verify your own voting record, and vote from home or your cellphone. 

Instead we have, "The ballot was printed too small so I should be governor".

[bmk1245]

2 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

It's simple.  Each state has their own laws and conducts their own election.  A New York law for instance does not apply to Arizona.  For all intents and purposes, each state is considered their own country in that regards.  It's why I find it amusing that people who live in different states get outraged for something that really isn't their business at all. 

The downside of course is that some states are a bit backwards and primitive in their methods, but it is their Constitutional right to be that way.  It's also why we don't have an easy, quick, nationalized system with uniform laws.

I mean, we are living in 2022 after all.  We could have a national block chain system that makes your registration unique to you, check/verify your own voting record, and vote from home or your cellphone. 

Instead we have, "The ballot was printed too small so I should be governor".

OK, different states, different laws. Do these laws allow post election votes count?

PS with block chain system... Really? When simple ID is a problem, you bring more complex problem?

[spartan max2]

33 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

OK, different states, different laws. Do these laws allow post election votes count?

PS with block chain system... Really? When simple ID is a problem, you bring more complex problem?

Your probably thinking of some mail in ballots stuff. States don't really allow post election day votes. But many do allow mail in votes to be counted after election day if they were sent by the end of election day. Since it could take a day or two for the mail than some of those will be counted after election day.

This isn't new. It's always been that way with military ballots. It only became a contraversay when mail in ballots became more used during Covid and Trump decide to create a conspiracy in an attempt to stay in power. 

Edited December 24, 2022 by spartan max2

[bmk1245]

11 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Your probably thinking of some mail in ballots stuff. States don't really allow post election day votes. But many do allow mail in votes to be counted after election day if they were sent by the end of election day. Since it could take a day or two for the mail than some of those will be counted after election day.

This isn't new. It's always been that way with military ballots. It only became a contraversay when mail in ballots became more used during Covid and Trump decide to create a conspiracy in an attempt to stay in power. 

OK, what is time limit for mail in votes to be counted?

[stereologist]

5 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Agreed. Not impossible at all. There is no way 19 inch ballots were created for a 20 inch voting machine . Someone must have deliberately gone into the printer and changed it, going through several levels of security according to expert witness. 

How many ballots were there of that size?  Who did this deliberately? Were those voted counted?

Please tell us all you know about this.

[stereologist]

4 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

NTM the mail in ballots, which by Arizona law must be counted in the original location they are brought to, As we have now seen in court testimony, were not. They were brought to another location and counted without sufficient supervision traveling from one place to the other. 

Did they provide evidence in court on this matter? Show us what the court case had to say about this?

[stereologist]

1 hour ago, bmk1245 said:

So, the laws are broken. Again, can someone explain to me how US voting system works? Yak....

If the laws had been broken then there would be a criminal case. The case by Lake is a civil case, not criminal.

[bmk1245]

1 minute ago, stereologist said:

If the laws had been broken then there would be a criminal case. The case by Lake is a civil case, not criminal.

OK.

[stereologist]

55 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

OK, different states, different laws. Do these laws allow post election votes count?

PS with block chain system... Really? When simple ID is a problem, you bring more complex problem?

Of course they do. Mail in ballots are counted after the polls close and that takes time.

And votes are counted a second time in cases where the outcome is close.

[bmk1245]

5 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Of course they do. Mail in ballots are counted after the polls close and that takes time.

And votes are counted a second time in cases where the outcome is close.

What is the time limit for mail in ballot counting?

[spartan max2]

31 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

OK, what is time limit for mail in votes to be counted?

No idea what it is for Arizona. Why are you asking ?

[bmk1245]

6 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

No idea what it is for Arizona. Why are you asking ?

Out of curiocity. (Heck, had to spell sheck last word....)

[Gromdor]

1 hour ago, bmk1245 said:

OK, what is time limit for mail in votes to be counted?

Different for each state.

[Gromdor]

.........And  she lost: Lake loses suit over her defeat in Arizona governor’s race (msn.com)

 

[+razman]

3 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

.........And  she lost: Lake loses suit over her defeat in Arizona governor’s race (msn.com)

 

In before the right wing deniers hit the forum.

[bmk1245]

23 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Different for each state.

By how much?

[Golden Duck]

2 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

OK, what is time limit for mail in votes to be counted?

Why is there a time limit?

You count the votes until they're all counted.  That's democracy.

[stereologist]

2 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

What is the time limit for mail in ballot counting?

I don't know. I suppose the count continues until all votes are counted. One of the issues of course is that a ballot may cover local and stat wide issues. A winner might be known in a state wide issue, but not in a local issue before all ballots are counted.

Edited December 24, 2022 by stereologist

[Gromdor]

2 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

By how much?

It varies.  How long is it in your country?  (I am assuming Lithuania holds elections, of course.)

But the short answer is: as long as it takes to count valid votes.  Some states have court cases that argue whether a vote is valid or not could take months. Some do an automatic recount, Some do run-offs. Some do ranked voter choice.  Some have weird conspiracy theorists that refuse to certify until they are threatened with jail time...  

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

5 hours ago, Gromdor said:

It's

I mean, we are living in 2022 after all.  We could have a national block chain system that makes your registration unique to you, check/verify your own voting record, and vote from home or your cellphone. ".

Well, that sounds a lot like voter id, which as we all know is designed to disenfranchise African American voters you dirty racist 

[Gromdor]

1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Well, that sounds a lot like voter id, which as we all know is designed to disenfranchise African American voters you dirty racist 

Nah, because it would be free.  The whole argument about voter ID was the cost to the voter.  The elderly and poor frequently don't even have cars to have a drivers license that the conservatives want to use.  The argument has always been that it was a form of Poll Tax.

Edited December 24, 2022 by Gromdor

[Portre]

Perhaps a trumpster could unpack Ms. Lake's response to losing her case due to lack of evidence:

“My Election Case provided the world with evidence that proves our elections are run outside of the law. This Judge did not rule in our favor. However, for the sake of restoring faith and honesty in our elections, I will appeal his ruling.”

Edited December 24, 2022 by Portre

[+razman]

47 minutes ago, Portre said:

However, for the sake of restoring faith and honesty in our elections, I will appeal his ruling.”

[+Paranoid Android]

55 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Nah, because it would be free.  The whole argument about voter ID was the cost to the voter.  The elderly and poor frequently don't even have cars to have a drivers license that the conservatives want to use.  The argument has always been that it was a form of Poll Tax.

That's a red herring, there are always alternatives to paid ID. During the last election there were allegations of vote suppression,  when literally you needed the last 4 digits of your social security number. Pretty sure that was Georgia, though if it's not I'll find the story.  The left wing nonces went as far as rescheduling a baseball game in another city as protest, and the new city happened to have more stringent voting laws than Georgia did, but that didn't stop them from virtue signalling