[Merged] Kari Lake Files Lawsuit in Bid to Overturn Arizona Election Defeat

[Raptor Witness]

11 hours ago, and-then said:

You guys are going to make wonderful communists soon.  You should be proud of your accomplishments.  Your kids and grandkids, not so much.  

The only “communist” sympathizer I’ve seen of late, is the wannabe dictator that you supported.

What a disgrace….. to be in bed with this evil.

The Republicans get it wrong, whether the challenge facing U.S. is a coronavirus or a communist.

Your nonsense will be consumed along with the chaff. Buying some oil now, doesn’t make you loyal to any political party on earth. It makes you loyal to the Spirit of Truth, and this Darkness you promote here, is on the ropes.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Raptor Witness

[Poncho_Peanatus]

13 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

The only “communist” sympathizer I’ve seen of late, is the wannabe dictator that you supported.

What a disgrace….. to be in bed with this evil.

The Republicans get it wrong, whether the challenge facing U.S. is a coronavirus or a communist.

Your nonsense will be consumed along with the chaff. Buying some oil now, doesn’t make you loyal to any political party on earth. It makes you loyal to the Spirit of Truth, and this Darkness you promote here, is on the ropes.

Putin is absolutely not a communist....I dont know where you get this.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Poncho_Peanatus
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[+and-then]

12 hours ago, razman said:

No , if you challenge something like this correctly , its one thing , but when you start talking about " burn it to the ground" , its another .  It's kind of like this old boy that she parrots . 

  Donald Trump Demands Reinstatement, Suggests Overthrowing Government (msn.com)

"Challenge it correctly" to you people means listen to the media parrot back that there is nothing wrong with the elections and how DARE anyone even question them.  To do so these days makes one a radical and a potential "domestic terrorist".  And yeah, if this trend continues, where we are seeing evidence of elections being tainted and outright stolen, yet courts won't intervene in any realistic way, the days of peaceful transfer of power are about over. 

That isn't a threat from one old man, mate, it's an observation based on what I know of my neighbors and others who've finally had enough.  You see, the little system we've had so much success with for a couple of centuries depended on trust in elections.  Without it, there will be no America for your descendants OR mine.  I'm not sure why that simple logic evades you.  You guys are a lot like the Putin you bare your teeth at.  You want to do what you do, then tell the world, "it's done, move on".  As you may have noticed in his case, it doesn't work so well.

[Raptor Witness]

2 hours ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

Putin is absolutely not a communist....I dont know where you get this.

In its purest form, no, but in my book he is, because he wants to restore part or all of the Soviet Block, which was communist. His aspirations are no different, even if it’s a modified ideology.

The semantics are useless when you are dealing with dictators who pretend they are good for any free country.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Raptor Witness

[stereologist]

14 hours ago, and-then said:

 

I love the vague reference to some so-called expert.

We'll see if this is the case or is just another GOP lie. The date for the court case is close.

 

[stereologist]

Here is where this so-called expert gives his statement.

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/kari-lake-files-lawsuit-challenging-arizona-midterm-election-results

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Jarrett responded, "Again, you're asking me to speculate about things that I have no knowledge of occurring. So I don't know if it could have been a deliberate act or not. I don't believe that that occurred."

The so-called expert doesn't believe it was deliberate making that twit on twitter a joke.

[Gromdor]

9 minutes ago, stereologist said:

I love the vague reference to some so-called expert.

We'll see if this is the case or is just another GOP lie. The date for the court case is close.

 

The court case already happened.  Day one was rather, err......  evidenceless......

It's weird.  They are trying to use the accusations as the evidence rather than prove anything.  Bizarre stuff like the tabulator broke so she should be Governor.  Why would a that affect one party over another?  Other than a delay why would it affect anything at all?   

[odas]

12 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

In its purest form, no, but in my book he is, because he wants to restore part or all of the Soviet Block, which was communist. His aspirations are no different, even if it’s a modified ideology.

The semantics are useless when you are dealing with dictators who pretend they are good for any free country.

Rap, Ponch is right. Putin is as much a communist as Stalin was. Zilch. Just because someone uses a prefix does not mean he/she is what is claimed. How much of Democratic is Democratic People's Republic of Korea? Or how much is China a People's Republic? How much was the NSDAP a Socialist Workers Party?

Everything those dictators did or do is in stark cotrast of what they claimed or claim to be.

 

[stereologist]

50 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

The court case already happened.  Day one was rather, err......  evidenceless......

It's weird.  They are trying to use the accusations as the evidence rather than prove anything.  Bizarre stuff like the tabulator broke so she should be Governor.  Why would a that affect one party over another?  Other than a delay why would it affect anything at all?   

The problem here is that a person has cherry picked the comments by someone labeled an expert.

Not only did the so-called expert not suggest any wrongdoing it turns out he had this to say.

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When asked how many of those contained 19-inch ballot image on 20-inch paper, Parikh replied, "14."

If there was an issue with 14 ballots, not saying there was, but if there was an issue with 14 ballots could this change the election.

[+Razman]

5 hours ago, and-then said:

"Challenge it correctly" to you people means listen to the media parrot back that there is nothing wrong with the elections and how DARE anyone even question them.  To do so these days makes one a radical and a potential "domestic terrorist".  And yeah, if this trend continues, where we are seeing evidence of elections being tainted and outright stolen, yet courts won't intervene in any realistic way, the days of peaceful transfer of power are about over. 

That isn't a threat from one old man, mate, it's an observation based on what I know of my neighbors and others who've finally had enough.  You see, the little system we've had so much success with for a couple of centuries depended on trust in elections.  Without it, there will be no America for your descendants OR mine.  I'm not sure why that simple logic evades you.  You guys are a lot like the Putin you bare your teeth at.  You want to do what you do, then tell the world, "it's done, move on".  As you may have noticed in his case, it doesn't work so well.

There always was trust in the elections , til Trump undermined it with his lies.

[Agent0range]

On 12/10/2022 at 7:16 PM, and-then said:

Were you aware that 40+% of the "certified" tabulators (predominately in Republican heavy districts) were supposedly guaranteed ready for the vote yet malfunctioned over settings and lack of ink?  Or did that info never make it into the MSM?  She isn't expecting the case to put her in office.  She wants the truth to have a chance against a corrupt media hit job. 

I'll say it again... trust and faith in elections is the most critical weakness of our system and just because half of the country thinks things are just fine (because they're "winning") that doesn't mean they won't eventually pay the consequences when the rest of us walk away and flip the middle finger at the "government" they set up, illegitimately.  I'm not sure why that concept is so difficult but I guess it's because the sheep on the left don't realize others may have more courage and willingness to fight if necessary, against those who refuse to help the country have trustworthy elections.  In this context, "fight" can be done quite effectively by ignoring the laws in large numbers.  And yeah... that CAN work.

So it's our fault you have mental issues and believe anything someone tells you without of shred of evidence?  Ok.  This will go to court, she will lose, and you still won't believe it.  There is absolutely nothing that can happen that will make you not believe the lie...you know that, and I know that.

[Hankenhunter]

On 12/20/2022 at 5:00 PM, Paranoid Android said:

Lots of reasons for dropping cases voluntarily, you may be right on SOME of them. Either way, I'm not an election denier, so it's not really that big an issue to me! 

Really? For someone who's not a denier,  you sure do a lot of denying. This whole thread you've done nothing but. Do you teach semantics? Cause you're pretty handy with them.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Hankenhunter
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[+Link of Hyrule]

50 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Really? For someone who's not a denier,  you sure do a lot of denying. This whole thread you've done nothing but. Do you teach semantics? Cause you're pretty handy with them.

Show me where I denied the results of the election? Or retract your statement, thank you very much! If this is your idea of "semantics", it seems we have a difference of opinion. 

Edited December 22, 2022 by Paranoid Android

[Hankenhunter]

Just now, Paranoid Android said:

Show me where I denied the results of the election? Or retract your statement, thank you very much! 

By arguing the court cases, you are denying the truth that almost every single case brought foreward was without merit, and tossed out. Right from the beginning you've been a trump supporter. You may deny it, but your posts say different.

I retract nothing, because it's the truth. Something Trump supporters have little understanding of. Alt truth is more yours, and their forte. If I offended you, then put me on ignore.

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 minute ago, Hankenhunter said:

By arguing the court cases, you are denying the truth that almost every single case brought foreward was without merit, and tossed out. Right from the beginning you've been a trump supporter. You may deny it, but your posts say different.

I retract nothing, because it's the truth. Something Trump supporters have little understanding of. Alt truth is more yours, and their forte. If I offended you, then put me on ignore.

You're wilfully ignoring what I post in order to justify that fake opinion of me. It's the epitome of "if you aren't with us you're against us" thinking - because I make one comment about one aspect of the cases doesn't therefore mean I am accepting all the outrageous claims from the extreme election-denying fringe. 

But nuance apparently seems to be outside of your wheelhouse. No wonder the mainstream left wing media has its claws in your mind. Good day,

[+and-then]

3 hours ago, razman said:

There always was trust in the elections , til Trump undermined it with his lies.

Over 900 Americans filed depositions - SWORN TESTIMONY that jeopardized their own liberty.  You can "Trump - yada yada yada all you like.  The bottom line is that trust is GONE and every time we see things like this bolluxed AZ election, it just reinforces that belief.  It's actually infantile to think that half the population that bothers to vote can just be mocked, then ignored, while they get pushed to the side, ESPECIALLY when the changes that are rammed through are so unacceptable.  This is a Republic and our founders had lots of advice for how to handle the corrupt governments they KNEW we would have in time.  Believe as you will.  If this stuff continues, big changes will be inbound that will affect everyone, everywhere in America.  There will be no "safe spaces" other than the islands of demography where nearly the whole population already think and vote the same.  Meanwhile, enjoy your cluelessness and be sure to remember to stick another pin in your Orange Man BAD doll  

[stereologist]

2 minutes ago, and-then said:

Over 900 Americans filed depositions - SWORN TESTIMONY that jeopardized their own liberty.  You can "Trump - yada yada yada all you like.  The bottom line is that trust is GONE and every time we see things like this bolluxed AZ election, it just reinforces that belief.  It's actually infantile to think that half the population that bothers to vote can just be mocked, then ignored, while they get pushed to the side, ESPECIALLY when the changes that are rammed through are so unacceptable.  This is a Republic and our founders had lots of advice for how to handle the corrupt governments they KNEW we would have in time.  Believe as you will.  If this stuff continues, big changes will be inbound that will affect everyone, everywhere in America.  There will be no "safe spaces" other than the islands of demography where nearly the whole population already think and vote the same.  Meanwhile, enjoy your cluelessness and be sure to remember to stick another pin in your Orange Man BAD doll  

The only thing wrong with the AZ elections is that nutcase Kari Lake.

The most corrupt person was the one that instigated the stolen election claims.

• Claimed that the election was stolen when he did not receive an Emmy for the apprentice
• Claimed that the election was stolen when he lost to Ted Cruz in Iowa
• Claimed that the election was stolen in 2020 and instigated an attack on Congress.

There is no evidence of widespread election fraud shown by any of the sore losers.

[Hankenhunter]

6 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

You're wilfully ignoring what I post in order to justify that fake opinion of me. It's the epitome of "if you aren't with us you're against us" thinking - because I make one comment about one aspect of the cases doesn't therefore mean I am accepting all the outrageous claims from the extreme election-denying fringe. 

But nuance apparently seems to be outside of your wheelhouse. No wonder the mainstream left wing media has its claws in your mind. Good day,

There you go, blaming the main stream media again. If it doesnt suit your narrative it's bad media. I suppose Breitbart, Faux News, and Trumps truth social are your go to media? Hypocrisy thy name is Trumper.

[+Link of Hyrule]

10 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

There you go, blaming the main stream media again. If it doesnt suit your narrative it's bad media. I suppose Breitbart, Faux News, and Trumps truth social are your go to media? Hypocrisy thy name is Trumper.

1. I don't use Breitbart

2. I don't watch Fox News

3. As far as I know Truth Social is only available in the USA, so I don't have that either (and I wouldn't use it even if I was). 

Three strikes, maybe you don't know me as well as you think you know me, and maybe, just MAYBE, you need to consider the nuance of the situation rather than just assigning the most extreme beliefs to my situation! Good day,

~ Regards, PA

[+Razman]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

Over 900 Americans filed depositions - SWORN TESTIMONY that jeopardized their own liberty.  You can "Trump - yada yada yada all you like.  The bottom line is that trust is GONE and every time we see things like this bolluxed AZ election, it just reinforces that belief.  It's actually infantile to think that half the population that bothers to vote can just be mocked, then ignored, while they get pushed to the side, ESPECIALLY when the changes that are rammed through are so unacceptable.  This is a Republic and our founders had lots of advice for how to handle the corrupt governments they KNEW we would have in time.  Believe as you will.  If this stuff continues, big changes will be inbound that will affect everyone, everywhere in America.  There will be no "safe spaces" other than the islands of demography where nearly the whole population already think and vote the same.  Meanwhile, enjoy your cluelessness and be sure to remember to stick another pin in your Orange Man BAD doll  

[Gromdor]

Today was the second day (of her two day trial) and she still hadn't presented any evidence showing that he election was stolen.  They did try to enter a recording but failed to submit it before hand.  It involved a call with a "Betty" (who like Andthens affadavits" swore that there was fraud.  Unfortunately, no one named Betty worked at the location in queestion. nor could Lake's team verify that it was even authentic: Kari Lake Election Trial Marred With Embarrassing Mishaps (newsweek.com)

[Edumakated]

7 hours ago, razman said:

There always was trust in the elections , til Trump undermined it with his lies.

So when Democrats were challenging elections any time they lost in 2000, 2004, 2016....and Democrat super star Stacey Abrams claiming she really won in GA, they trusted in elections?  

The inability of the left to remember their own actions is comical.  

[acidhead]

Not looking too good for Kari Lake's chances of proving any substantial fraud. At least she got a trial. Best of luck to her on whatever she chooses to pursue career wise. She's a talented individual.

[Tatetopa]

5 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

So when Democrats were challenging elections any time they lost in 2000, 2004, 2016....and Democrat super star Stacey Abrams claiming she really won in GA, they trusted in elections?  

The inability of the left to remember their own actions is comical.  

Yes.  It is perfectly fine to ask for recounts audits and other mechanisms to verify voting, whether you are a Democrat or Republican.   There is a legal way to adjudicate these disagreements, that is in court.  Twitter polls don't work.  Arm waving doesn't work.  Evidence does work.  Stacy Abrams claims she won.  So did Donald Trump.   I suppose both have free speech and can claim anything they want.  Neither one can prove it with evidence. Not all Republicans believe Trump and not all Democrats believe Abrams. In fact, Democrats didn't even march on the state house to overturn the election.  It was not a crime for Donald Trump to say he believed he won and pursue each and every legal means to prove it.

 

[+and-then]

12 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Bizarre stuff like the tabulator broke so she should be Governor.

Actually, as usual, it isn't nearly that simple.  32 percent of those tabulators failed and the reason many of them failed is that theballots themselves had been changed in size and an expert witness said that could not have happened "accidently".  It would require an administrator to choose to change a 20 inch ballot format to a 19 inch format.  It's commonly accepted that votes cast the day of the election were by far disproportionately Republican so they were impacted disproportionally.  Lake will lose this case because the judge set an IMPOSSIBLE STANDARD.  The man actually refused to use any degree of evidence without her team proving the MENTAL STATE of those who were in charge of the election.  I wish that just ONCE, ONE of you guys would finally have the integrity to admit that if the tables were flipped and your candidate was victimized in this way, you'd be raising hell over it.  So far, crickets.  I don't anything but crickets from you people but every time more faith in this process is further damaged, the closer we are to the dissolution of this Republic.  It isn't going to matter how far into the sand you stick your heads.