[Merged] Kari Lake Files Lawsuit in Bid to Overturn Arizona Election Defeat

[Hankenhunter]

6 hours ago, acidhead said:

Not looking too good for Kari Lake's chances of proving any substantial fraud. At least she got a trial. Best of luck to her on whatever she chooses to pursue career wise. She's a talented individual.

Talented at what? Rabble rousing? She talks like trump, acts like trump, and like trump can't keep her trap shut. That's talented?

You just think she's hot.

Edited December 23, 2022 by Hankenhunter
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[preacherman76]

6 hours ago, stereologist said:

There is no evidence that this affected the outcome. Kari Lake is a whiner like that criminal Trump.

There is no evidence that votes were not counted.  There is no evidence to support any of Lake's baloney.

The standard was EXTREMELY POSSIBLE except for a whiner like Lake who is apparently a whining sore loser.

And no I would not have a different stance were the tables flipped.

The damage to the process is done by YOU PEOPLE that push falsehoods and BS because that is all YOU PEOPLE have.

Right, there is no evidence, because many of the ballots ended up in a box and taken away in duffel bags. This election had no transparency. No integrity. 
 

It does not take a week to decide an election. It is not to much to ask that the method of voting be functional. It isn’t to much to ask that the person running the election not be in it. 

[odas]

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

Right, there is no evidence, because many of the ballots ended up in a box and taken away in duffel bags. This election had no transparency. No integrity. 
 

 

Any evidence to your claim?

[Raptor Witness]

2 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

You just think she's hot.

She is “hot,” until she opens her mouth, then it’s only BDSM, and who takes a sub. Governor seriously?

[preacherman76]

20 minutes ago, odas said:

Any evidence to your claim?

Yes. Several affidavits from both those who worked in the polling stations, and voters whose ballots were rejected by the machines, who were told to put their ballots in a box to be “counted later”. 

[odas]

8 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Yes. Several affidavits from both those who worked in the polling stations, and voters whose ballots were rejected by the machines, who were told to put their ballots in a box to be “counted later”. 

Have those claimes be proven by the court as accurate eveidences? Did a judge rule on it as an accurate proof?

[Grim Reaper 6]

An expert witness called by lawyers representing Maricopa County on Thursday ripped apart defeated Republican gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake's case to overturn the election in just one minute. After establishing that he had reviewed the lawsuit filed by Lake's attorneys, Kennith Mayer the expert witness was asked for his opinion of its validity -- and he gave a withering response.

"My high-level response is that all the claims that were made in the complaint about the effects of voter wait times, the claims of disenfranchisement, claims about a disproportionate effect on Republicans and their voters, that they are all based on pure speculation," he explained. "There's simply no data to support any of those claims, and there's quite a bit of data that suggests this did not happen."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/based-on-pure-speculation-defense-expert-destroys-kari-lake-s-case-in-less-than-60-seconds/ar-AA15zWQ4?ocid=EMMX&cvid=5479ddfeb4904728ac76de2a4be15169

Matt Lewis scorched defeated Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake for embracing a Trump-style Big Lie, pursuing legal action against an election that was settled and certified against her weeks ago, and chasing support from the MAGA movement, all while her Democratic opponent Katie Hobbs is set to be sworn in as governor. As everyone can see, Lake has become something akin to a one-hit wonder who keeps playing the same old tune for the same tired applause. The song was never that great to begin with and, in any case, it was a cover. All this to say Lake’s reboot of Trump’s 2020 flop isn’t just laughably bad, it’s also derivative and outdated,"

https://www.rawstory.com/kari-lake-2658988739/

After establishing that he had reviewed the lawsuit filed by Lake's attorneys, Mayer was asked for his opinion of its validity -- and he gave a withering response.

"My high-level response is that all the claims that were made in the complaint about the effects of voter wait times, the claims of disenfranchisement, claims about a disproportionate effect on Republicans and their voters, that they are all based on pure speculation," he explained. "There's simply no data to support any of those claims, and there's quite a bit of data that suggests this did not happen."

Edited December 23, 2022 by Grim Reaper 6

[Gromdor]

2 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Yes. Several affidavits from both those who worked in the polling stations, and voters whose ballots were rejected by the machines, who were told to put their ballots in a box to be “counted later”. 

Let's dissect this, shall we. 

1) Does this evidence show that the votes weren't counted?

2) Does this evidence show that the votes were tampered with?

3) Does this evidence show that Republican votes were handled different from Democrat votes in a fashion that would change the election results?

4) Does this show that Kari lake won the election?

or

4) Does this show steps were taken after the tabulator's broke to separate and ensure the ballots were counted?

Another question would be, "Why didn't Kari Lake's lawyers use this evidence in court or were they unable to substaniate the affadavits like in the Betty voicemail?"

[spartan max2]

2 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Yes. Several affidavits from both those who worked in the polling stations, and voters whose ballots were rejected by the machines, who were told to put their ballots in a box to be “counted later”. 

What else are they supposed to do when a ballot gets rejected by a machine?

[Gromdor]

17 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

What else are they supposed to do when a ballot gets rejected by a machine?

Mix them in with the other counted ballots and pretend like nothing happened? 

or maybe cancel the whole election and redo it? 

<sarcasm>

[HandsomeGorilla]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Mix them in with the other counted ballots and pretend like nothing happened? 

or maybe cancel the whole election and redo it? 

<sarcasm>

No, you stick your fingers in your ears and declare victory, anyway. 

[stereologist]

6 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Right, there is no evidence, because many of the ballots ended up in a box and taken away in duffel bags. This election had no transparency. No integrity. 
 

It does not take a week to decide an election. It is not to much to ask that the method of voting be functional. It isn’t to much to ask that the person running the election not be in it. 

We know that isn't true. How deep did you have to dive into a cesspool to get that fake story?

[stereologist]

4 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Yes. Several affidavits from both those who worked in the polling stations, and voters whose ballots were rejected by the machines, who were told to put their ballots in a box to be “counted later”. 

Still telling us a story. Where is the evidence?

Edited December 23, 2022 by stereologist

[+HerNibs]

7 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

It does not take a week to decide an election. It is not to much to ask that the method of voting be functional. It isn’t to much to ask that the person running the election not be in it. 

Just a quick point -

Elections DO take weeks to certify and produce results. The numbers on election night are NOT the official results.

Nibs

[+and-then]

At some point the Left is finally going to realize that the opinions of the other half of the nation actually do matter.  Trust in the electoral system is all that binds this nation together and when roughly half of the country loses that, as a result of "continuing irregularities" in the system - that ALWAYS favor one party's candidates - then the collapse will come. 

I won't bother to engage on any more of these topics here because they are obviously designed to foment anger and arguments and it changes nothing, it just stokes more division.  The Democrats in Maricopa flipped an election by cheating and they've been rewarded.  From what I understand, there is a recall movement underway already to remove Hobbs.  Of course, if the same people are in control of how the elections are run, nothing is going to change, so it's a waste of time but every time they cheat and the methods are proven in public, the more lawless that community will become. 

So rejoice, hypocrites!  You have stolen the power again.  Just don't be too surprised when the people spit on you and tell you what you can DO with your rules and edicts.  

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

At some point the Left is finally going to realize that the opinions of the other half of the nation actually do matter.  Trust in the electoral system is all that binds this nation together and when roughly half of the country loses that, as a result of "continuing irregularities" in the system - that ALWAYS favor one party's candidates - then the collapse will come.

Every Americans opinion matters, but the use of stale rhetoric concerning irregularities in our electoral system without a basis of proven fact are the real problem. In 2020, and again in this situation making accusations that are investigated then prove false in a court of law are actually more damaging that if they were vindicated. Because, in repeated situations like this it creates a environment where if actual voting irregularities do occur no one will pay any attention just like the story of the little boy who called Wolf!

2 hours ago, and-then said:

I won't bother to engage on any more of these topics here because they are obviously designed to foment anger and arguments and it changes nothing, it just stokes more division.  The Democrats in Maricopa flipped an election by cheating and they've been rewarded.  From what I understand, there is a recall movement underway already to remove Hobbs.  Of course, if the same people are in control of how the elections are run, nothing is going to change, so it's a waste of time but every time they cheat and the methods are proven in public, the more lawless that community will become.

These topics are certainly not designed to promote one political affiliation over another, or to foment anger they are updated news stories on topics that have been discussed on this forum. The problem here is that some forum members are willing to allow conspiracies and unproven innuendo cloud their judgment and no matter the proof offered they will never accept it over their own preconceived notion’s. If Hobbs is removed then and only then will there be any tangible evidence that voter irregularities did effect the election.

If that occurs I will support it 100%, however unlike yourself and others on this board I will not push a false narrative like you and others frequently do or make repeated comments about a collapse of our Nation. Now, your final sentence above is a typical go to response you offer when something doesn’t go your way. You not only push the cheating narrative but you also again throw the violence narrative in for good measure. Keeping this in mind how can you expect others to take you seriously or respect your opinion when there is no proof of cheating and violence is your fix all.

Based, upon this like you said above maybe you shouldn’t engage in political threads that challenge your unproven preconceived notion’s because doing so certainly isn’t healthy.

2 hours ago, and-then said:

So rejoice, hypocrites!  You have stolen the power again.  Just don't be too surprised when the people spit on you and tell you what you can DO with your rules and edicts.  

Andthen, you comments here are childish, insulting and ridiculous at the same time, they also exhibit narcissistic behavior. I doubt you realize it but you just crossed a line you may regret someday, and your comments above certainly do not portray a Christian attitude! In the second paragraph above you speak about these threads as you put it fomenting anger, and here you speak about spitting on your fellow Americans dude you need to seek help because your out of your mind!

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, and-then said:

At some point the Left is finally going to realize that the opinions of the other half of the nation actually do matter.

All opinions matter.  However in court it is evidence that prevails and claims that are not backed up by factual data  do not prevail.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

3 hours ago, and-then said:

At some point the Left is finally going to realize that the opinions of the other half of the nation actually do matter.  Trust in the electoral system is all that binds this nation together and when roughly half of the country loses that, as a result of "continuing irregularities" in the system - that ALWAYS favor one party's candidates - then the collapse will come. 

I won't bother to engage on any more of these topics here because they are obviously designed to foment anger and arguments and it changes nothing, it just stokes more division.  The Democrats in Maricopa flipped an election by cheating and they've been rewarded.  From what I understand, there is a recall movement underway already to remove Hobbs.  Of course, if the same people are in control of how the elections are run, nothing is going to change, so it's a waste of time but every time they cheat and the methods are proven in public, the more lawless that community will become. 

So rejoice, hypocrites!  You have stolen the power again.  Just don't be too surprised when the people spit on you and tell you what you can DO with your rules and edicts.  

This right here is why I think, no matter how “clearly a waste of time” or “obviously of no legal worth” an open and transparent legal case into “stolen elections” where each and every claim is dissected and proven openly, and clearly as false needs to happen. 
People can say until the cows come home that the allegations are false and empty etc but people genuinely believe. Take it to court. Openly. Put everything on the table. Have multiple experts come in and explain how each and every complaint is fallacious. 
not talking heads in the media saying so. 
Not “expert YouTubers”. 
Legal experts. In Court. Offering a legally binding opinion.

[Golden Duck]

15 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

This right here is why I think, no matter how “clearly a waste of time” or “obviously of no legal worth” an open and transparent legal case into “stolen elections” where each and every claim is dissected and proven openly, and clearly as false needs to happen. 
People can say until the cows come home that the allegations are false and empty etc but people genuinely believe. Take it to court. Openly. Put everything on the table. Have multiple experts come in and explain how each and every complaint is fallacious. 
not talking heads in the media saying so. 
Not “expert YouTubers”. 
Legal experts. In Court. Offering a legally binding opinion.

So you're willing to clog the courts even more with vexatious and frivolous cases to appease entitled sore-losers.

[Grim Reaper 6]

12 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

All opinions matter.  However in court it is evidence that prevails and claims that are not backed up by factual data  do not prevail.

It’s really that simple isn’t, evidence will in all legal issues beat intentional lies, stale rhetoric, and the preconceived notion’s of those who intentionally sow distrust and attempt to pervert our Nations political systems!

But, to call your fellow Americans hypocrites and to advocate spitting upon them is going to far. Anyone, who would advocate these actions is broken and have lost their minds. Tate, it’s been a very sad and disheartening journey from the beginning of the Trump Presidency to where it has lead our Nation today. But, I am finally starting to see light at the end of that horrible tunnel and I am confident America will rise from the ashes left behind again just like it has in the past.

Even though, much damage has been done there is bright side to it all. Americans, are waking up and the majority of us are able to distinguish fact from fiction along with right from wrong. For those hypnotized by their false prophet, we can only hope that they recover and somehow reconcile their past behavior so that they can eventually find some semblance of peace again!

Happy Holidays Tate, and I wish you the best New Year you have ever had!

[+Desertrat56]

4 hours ago, and-then said:

At some point the Left is finally going to realize that the opinions of the other half of the nation actually do matter.  Trust in the electoral system is all that binds this nation together and when roughly half of the country loses that, as a result of "continuing irregularities" in the system - that ALWAYS favor one party's candidates - then the collapse will come. 

I won't bother to engage on any more of these topics here because they are obviously designed to foment anger and arguments and it changes nothing, it just stokes more division.  The Democrats in Maricopa flipped an election by cheating and they've been rewarded.  From what I understand, there is a recall movement underway already to remove Hobbs.  Of course, if the same people are in control of how the elections are run, nothing is going to change, so it's a waste of time but every time they cheat and the methods are proven in public, the more lawless that community will become. 

So rejoice, hypocrites!  You have stolen the power again.  Just don't be too surprised when the people spit on you and tell you what you can DO with your rules and edicts.  

I wish you understood that republicans are Not Half the country, nor are democrats.  There are 40% who choose neither.  Get over yourself.  Figure out why you are really angry and deal with it because it isn't politics that you are talking about, it is your imagination and projection that reflects your anger, not anything to do with the country.

[Grim Reaper 6]

34 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

This right here is why I think, no matter how “clearly a waste of time” or “obviously of no legal worth” an open and transparent legal case into “stolen elections” where each and every claim is dissected and proven openly, and clearly as false needs to happen. 
People can say until the cows come home that the allegations are false and empty etc but people genuinely believe. Take it to court. Openly. Put everything on the table. Have multiple experts come in and explain how each and every complaint is fallacious. 
not talking heads in the media saying so. 
Not “expert YouTubers”. 
Legal experts. In Court. Offering a legally binding opinion.

I certainly agree with you, however even with that accomplished those people you speak of above that genuinely believe in the voter fraud claims will still never except the decision. Proof of this occurred after the 2020 election, when the Trump Administrations legal teams presented lawsuit after lawsuit in Federal Courts using numerous methodologies, from mail in ballots, to rigged voting machines, to the walking dead rising up to vote. In each case, their so called proof of voter fraud was proven to be inaccurate and even some Federal Judges Trump personally appointed tossed the claims out as either fictitious or completely baseless claims.

It doesn’t take a genius to take a moment of their personal time and put aside their preconceived notions and research important topics like this themselves if they do agree with a legitimate legal judicial decision. However, it appears that what is now the minority of American voters would rather be spoon feed their information on the subject from the actual perpetrators of the only voter fraud that was ever proven. This fraud wasn’t perpetrated by the so called Left, it was perpetrated by my own political party the Republicans. It occurred on January 6, 2021 when a plot to substitute fraudulent state electoral results was sponsored by the President of the United States and his corrupt inner circle.

However, thanks to the patriotism, integrity and intestinal fortitude of our Vice President Mike Pence the plot was averted. But, it didn’t end there because once his actions where obvious someone inside the Capital itself contacted members of the Oath Keepers who spread the news that Pence failed his mission. Then the assault and eventual insurrection began with chants of hang Mike Pence.

JIMHO

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

54 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

So you're willing to clog the courts even more with vexatious and frivolous cases to appease entitled sore-losers.

If it prevents war YES!

[Golden Duck]

29 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

If it prevents war YES!

I see.  Accept the opinion of an entitled smaller group of sore losers that refuse to accept the opinion of larger group to preserve democracy.

Or, don't accept how voting works because a minority of voters don't accept how voting works.

Members of this minority group wear their Constitutional fetishism like armour.  However It's too heavy to bear and attack "the other" as hypocrites.

[lightly]

6 hours ago, and-then said:

At some point the Left is finally going to realize that the opinions of the other half of the nation actually do matter.  Trust in the electoral system is all that binds this nation together and when roughly half of the country loses that, as a result of "continuing irregularities" in the system - that ALWAYS favor one party's candidates - then the collapse will come. 

I won't bother to engage on any more of these topics here because they are obviously designed to foment anger and arguments and it changes nothing, it just stokes more division.  The Democrats in Maricopa flipped an election by cheating and they've been rewarded.  From what I understand, there is a recall movement underway already to remove Hobbs.  Of course, if the same people are in control of how the elections are run, nothing is going to change, so it's a waste of time but every time they cheat and the methods are proven in public, the more lawless that community will become. 

So rejoice, hypocrites!  You have stolen the power again.  Just don't be too surprised when the people spit on you and tell you what you can DO with your rules and edicts.  

If the system is rigged to  “ALWAYS favor one party’s candidates”. .why is the house and senate nearly always nearly EVENLY divided?  The majority flops back and forth so their is ALWAYS someone to blame for the mess we’re in Now! … just a sec, ((google)) ..yup, sure enough…There have been more Republican presidents in the nation’s history, than Democrats. (19 to 16).   Did you notice the recent president…Donald j trump won as a Republican?  Wake up, both sides suck.