Gov DeSantis leads’ Republican Representative most likely to win 2024 presidential nominee

[Grim Reaper 6]

Former President Trump is already in the race. Other major contenders are openly contemplating bids. And speculation is swirling around big names who have so far kept their intentions quiet, such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

The battle for the Republican Party’s 2024 presidential nomination is guaranteed to be fierce. President Biden may have had a better midterms than many people expected, but his approval ratings remain tepid.

https://kfor.com/hill-politics/gop-rankings-the-republicans-most-likely-to-be-the-partys-2024-presidential-nominee/

[the13bats]

13 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Former President Trump is already in the race. Other major contenders are openly contemplating bids. And speculation is swirling around big names who have so far kept their intentions quiet, such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

The battle for the Republican Party’s 2024 presidential nomination is guaranteed to be fierce. President Biden may have had a better midterms than many people expected, but his approval ratings remain tepid.

https://kfor.com/hill-politics/gop-rankings-the-republicans-most-likely-to-be-the-partys-2024-presidential-nominee/

I actually read that link is that considered msm? If so i see why some here damn and scoff at msm for being full of bull here is an example.

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Trump’s allies point out that he is in a better position now than he was at the outset of his 2016 campaign. 

Thats an utterly ridiculous statement unlike 2016 where some gave BOM a chance now people know just what a bumblingly incompetent life costing total failure and disaster he is it cost him 2020 which his failed insurrection incitement just further hammed home how deeply dangerous this man is to the country and its people if the amount people didnt want trump 2020 was compared to a regular twinkie then the amount people dont want him now would be compared to a twinkie 35 foot long weighing 600 pounds.

 

 

[Tatetopa]

15 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

The battle for the Republican Party’s 2024 presidential nomination is guaranteed to be fierce.

IMO It does not matter unless they can turn things around.   You can look it up on your favorite website  here is one.

https://www.statcrunch.com/reports/view?reportid=34349&tab=preview

Registered Republicans are fewer in number than registered Democrats.  Democrats 31% of registered voters, Republicans 25%, independents 41%.   The graphs on the site tell a lot about age distribution of respondents.   

Not only are Republicans fewer in number, they tend to be older.  It could be that younger people have a different view of abortion, climate change and LBGTQ issues.  They may still be conservative, but Republican social polices may not be appealing to younger people.   Percentage wise, younger people are less religious.   Kids in High School now are media aware and will vote in 2024, 2026 and on.  They know the kitty litter boxes and CRT stuff is BS.  They already know a book won't turn them gay. Republicans are going to have to update their game to prosper.  Very likely young conservatives will reshape the party to some degree as they take over. Both parties are going to have to focus on international competition, housing, wages and working conditions, climate issues, medical care if they want to remain parties in the  future. 

[the13bats]

36 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

IMO It does not matter unless they can turn things around.   You can look it up on your favorite website  here is one.

https://www.statcrunch.com/reports/view?reportid=34349&tab=preview

Registered Republicans are fewer in number than registered Democrats.  Democrats 31% of registered voters, Republicans 25%, independents 41%.   The graphs on the site tell a lot about age distribution of respondents.   

Not only are Republicans fewer in number, they tend to be older.  It could be that younger people have a different view of abortion, climate change and LBGTQ issues.  They may still be conservative, but Republican social polices may not be appealing to younger people.   Percentage wise, younger people are less religious.   Kids in High School now are media aware and will vote in 2024, 2026 and on.  They know the kitty litter boxes and CRT stuff is BS.  They already know a book won't turn them gay. Republicans are going to have to update their game to prosper.  Very likely young conservatives will reshape the party to some degree as they take over. Both parties are going to have to focus on international competition, housing, wages and working conditions, climate issues, medical care if they want to remain parties in the  future. 

Politics come up seldom at the club but when they do and its with the 18 to 20 somethings i have noticed they do not go too deep but for example to them trump is the Republican party and they hate him like poison, yeah even though he lost and for the most part off the radar you cant imagine what all these under 30s blame him for. In that surface way they blame him for trying to control or kill all the very things they want. Surface as it maybe the hate runs deep.

If the GOP wants life after trump it means appealing to younger voters which means double time with the Ajax get that orange taint scrubbed off if a GOP like desantis wants to appeal to youth he needs to back off on trying to appeal to trumps krusty base it will be a hard tightrope act.

[Grim Reaper 6]

54 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

IMO It does not matter unless they can turn things around.   You can look it up on your favorite website  here is one.

https://www.statcrunch.com/reports/view?reportid=34349&tab=preview

Well, I looked it on the site you provided Tate and I found something interesting I believe the information from that source is from 2013, or 10 years old. Like I said I read it and when I got to the bottom of the page there a link that says report properties if you click it the author and the date pops up,

54 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Registered Republicans are fewer in number than registered Democrats.  Democrats 31% of registered voters, Republicans 25%, independents 41%.   The graphs on the site tell a lot about age distribution of respondents.   

Not only are Republicans fewer in number, they tend to be older.  It could be that younger people have a different view of abortion, climate change and LBGTQ issues.  They may still be conservative, but Republican social polices may not be appealing to younger people.   Percentage wise, younger people are less religious.   Kids in High School now are media aware and will vote in 2024, 2026 and on.  They know the kitty litter boxes and CRT stuff is BS.  They already know a book won't turn them gay. Republicans are going to have to update their game to prosper.  Very likely young conservatives will reshape the party to some degree as they take over. Both parties are going to have to focus on international competition, housing, wages and working conditions, climate issues, medical care if they want to remain parties in the  future. 

Honestly, I don't know enough about the top to right now, so I take your word for everything you said it makes sense to me. But we are going to have to find a alternate set of statistics like you included above

[Tatetopa]

9 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Well, I looked it on the site you provided Tate and I found something interesting I believe the information from that source is from 2013, or 10 years old. Like I said I read it and when I got to the bottom of the page there a link that says report properties if you click it the author and the date pops up,

Honestly, I don't know enough about the top to right now, so I take your word for everything you said it makes sense to me. But we are going to have to find a alternate set of statistics like you included above

Thanks, I am guilty.  I did not check the release date.  It looked like a reputable source.  I will see if I can find something more recent.  I did find a site from 2022 but it is CNN.  Originally I tried to avoid all MSM sites, but they seem to have the most recent data.  This CNN site is exit polls, the first site was eligible voters.  It does matter who shows up.  I can't get the graphs to print, but there are a few lines of text.

Democrats and Republicans split older voters in 2018, but Republicans won majority support in 2022.

Young voters have traditionally supported Democrats and winning them by huge margins helped the party in 2018. Republicans have eaten into that advantage this year.  Of the 18-29 group, 35% advantage Dems 2018  to 28% advantage Dems 2022..

Republicans won a majority of White women, an important voting bloc the two parties split in 2018. Republicans also made good on predictions that they would perform better among Latino voters than they did four years ago. Democrats’ support among Latino men was 63% in 2018 and is under 55% in 2022, according to the early exit polls. Republicans appeared to cut into Democrats’ advantage among Latino women, although Democrats still got the support of about two-thirds of them.

So maybe all of that gloom and doom was for nothing.  The Republicans are catching up a bit.  Maybe all they need is another election or two. Sorry about the old data.  I am embarrassed by own carelessness, but I'd rather die embarrassed than stupid.    So thanks.

  

 

[Tatetopa]

@Grim Reaper 6, thanks for the heads up.  Maybe you can find something too. I don't know anything about this site and they don't show their work, but they are not MSM.  Brookings could be a reputable source or a political one.  They do show the source as Edison Research.   Their site is listed below.  According to them, they are the best.

https://www.edisonresearch.com/election-polling-2/

https://www.brookings.edu/research/midterm-exit-polls-show-that-young-voters-drove-democratic-resistance-to-the-red-wave/

Midterm exit polls show that young voters drove Democratic resistance to the ‘red wave’

 

[+Desertrat56]

I did look at Balletopia and Donald Trump is listed as being registered to run in 2024 now.   Ye still doesn't show up.   

There are 138 republicans listes.   

https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_registered_2024_presidential_candidates

Weird, I didn't see DeSantis in the list.  I thought his first name is Ron.

Edited January 4, 2023 by Desertrat56

[Grim Reaper 6]

29 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

@Grim Reaper 6, thanks for the heads up.  Maybe you can find something too. I don't know anything about this site and they don't show their work, but they are not MSM.  Brookings could be a reputable source or a political one.  They do show the source as Edison Research.   Their site is listed below.  According to them, they are the best.

https://www.edisonresearch.com/election-polling-2/

https://www.brookings.edu/research/midterm-exit-polls-show-that-young-voters-drove-democratic-resistance-to-the-red-wave/

Midterm exit polls show that young voters drove Democratic resistance to the ‘red wave’

 

Morning Tate, I think the Brookings institute is a great source of information I have used this organization many times in the past they are credited for very high factual reporting. So I think we can stick withthem and look no further Tate, great choice.

Here is how they are rated. Now they are listed as Left Center, but that designation is only applied for topic choice and not the factual content which in my opinion is all that’s important!

Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: VERY-HIGH
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

Tate, I think your point that you presented yesterday is very accurate, it seems the main difference in voting between the Republican and Democrats is the age. Like you said the average age of the Democrats is by far younger than the Republicans. It appears that based upon the Mid-terms that the Democratic Party are the younger newer generation of voters, and the Republican Party is still compromised of  older voters with majority being white males without college educations. I also find it interesting that according to the article that the the Republican voting block is in decline because of loss of strength due to age and the Democratic Block is on the rise which are both based upon tracking from approximately 2013-2022.

I don’t know where this will end, yet I am certain that parties are aware of it. Now, I suppose the ball is in the Republicans court because they must figure out how to attract younger voters, because long term it will only become worse if they do nothing. I personally don’t see Trump as any major threat in 2024. I sincerely think the major failure in the mid-terms was the lack of unity in the Republican Party and that was caused by Trump. He, split the Republican Party into two group the prophets faithful and those who view him with the stink eye. The driving force behind that in my opinion was the January 6, insurrection, that was the defining moment that shocked many members of the Republican Party.

They were think oh my God, this guy is what people were saying he is, and many Republican members of his base and federal representatives will no longer support him. The televised testimony of the January 6 committee was a rude awakening for many people because the information was coming from the horses mouth and not twisted in one fashion or another in the manner the media reports.

Thanks, for the conversation my wife and I are going to meet friends and their wives on Camp Humphrey, monthly we have dinner or lunch with some of my comrades in arms one guy is working at NATO HQ Korea and the other works at 8th Army HQ. These meeting are very enjoyable and it keeps me updated on what’s actually occurring in the Ukraine and globally. While, I can’t share what I learn, it certainly allows me to watch the media to see when the information appears and then it can be discussed. I have been up since 04:30 am and now it’s approximately 05:20 am I would like to discuss this later in more detail, the reason I brought up my plans today is because if you answer this  you may not receive a reply until tomorrow and I don’t want you to think I am not paying attention.

below is a paragraph from the Brookings link you provided:

“In short, these midterms revealed Democrats’ strength among new generations of voters and demographic groups that will continue to grow in size, while Republicans continue to do well with older voters and white men without college educations. And while the latter voting bloc continues to decline in size, it is still substantial in many states. The question these results raise, then, is whether the blocs that strongly supported former President Trump in the past will retain enough clout to counter future gains among groups that favored Democrats this time around”

Take care Tate

[+Desertrat56]

It would be interesting to see demographics on the 41% of indiependents.  Since they are a majority over both parties it seems like laws in every state are going to be eventually changed to get rid of the two party stranglehold of our elections.    

[Grim Reaper 6]

20 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

It would be interesting to see demographics on the 41% of indiependents.  Since they are a majority over both parties it seems like laws in every state are going to be eventually changed to get rid of the two party stranglehold of our elections.    

It would certainly be interesting, yet I think we need to kick our entire political system to the curb and start over. I know this isn’t possible but would it not be cool, if not a single American voted in 2024, I think the reaction would be hilarious and I think our politicians would completely lose their minds. I mean think about it everyone goes to rallies and other events yet no one actually votes. I believe the candidates would completely lose it, it would be a real Kodak moment!

Yet, the looks upon their faces would be worth every minute of it, and if no one voted I guess it would disrupt our entire system leaving them with two choices whomever was in power would remain or they would need to try again. But, after spending their advertising budgets they would be broke so whatever they had left would certainly be more wisely spent. I know that I’m crazy but, I would love to see it and I think it would certainly send the American peoples point home!

[+Desertrat56]

5 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

It would certainly be interesting, yet I think we need to kick our entire political system to the curb and start over. I know this isn’t possible but would it not be cool, if not a single American voted in 2024, I think the reaction would be hilarious and I think our politicians would completely lose their minds. I mean think about it everyone goes to rallies and other events yet no one actually votes. I believe the candidates would completely lose it, it would be a real Kodak moment!

Yet, the looks upon their faces would be worth every minute of it, and if no one voted I guess it would disrupt our entire system leaving them with two choices whomever was in power would remain or they would need to try again. But, after spending their advertising budgets they would be broke so whatever they had left would certainly be more wisely spent. I know that I’m crazy but, I would love to see it and I think it would certainly send the American peoples point home!

I think instead I would laugh my head off if no democrat or republican won an election, we would have independents and libertarians voted in.   That would cause a huge pause in the minds of the democrat party and republican party leaders.   

[Grim Reaper 6]

51 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I think instead I would laugh my head off if no democrat or republican won an election, we would have independents and libertarians voted in.   That would cause a huge pause in the minds of the democrat party and republican party leaders.   

Thanks the laugh, that would work too, but would we be come a communist country!

Peace

[+Desertrat56]

Just now, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Thanks the laugh, that would work too, but would we be come a communist country!

Peace

No, why would you think that independents and libertarians mean communist?   Libertarians are as far away from socialism and communism as you can get, and independents are not independent because they are communists.   

[Grim Reaper 6]

19 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

No, why would you think that independents and libertarians mean communist?   Libertarians are as far away from socialism and communism as you can get, and independents are not independent because they are communists.   

I was joking, however it’s a frequent theme used by the Conservative Republican members of the forum, they often say, the Democrats, Libertarians, and the Independent parties are socialist or communists. I don’t believe it any of it, because none of our political parties are communist.

So, please excuse me I was sincerely joking nothing more!

[+Desertrat56]

Just now, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I was joking, however it’s a frequent theme used by the Conservative Republican members of the forum, they often say, the Democrats, Libertarians, and the Independent parties are socialist or communists. I don’t believe it any of it, because none of our political parties are communist.

So, please excuse me I was sincerely joking nothing more!

Sorry, I don't get jokes sometimes because of my literal mindedness.   I do know that I have heard both republicans and democrats shout about communism and how someone is pushing that.   And the republicans accuse "liberals" and "the left" and democrats of being socialists.   But if they ever lived in the UK or Australia they would realize how stupid that is, we can't even get decent healthcare without paying through the nose for it, which is the first thing that is done in socialism is to give everyone the same crappy medical care whether they can pay for it or not.

[preacherman76]

2 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I was joking, however it’s a frequent theme used by the Conservative Republican members of the forum, they often say, the Democrats, Libertarians, and the Independent parties are socialist or communists. I don’t believe it any of it, because none of our political parties are communist.

So, please excuse me I was sincerely joking nothing more!

Who often says libertarian’s and independents are communists? I’ve never heard anyone say that. 
 

Id take a true libertarian over either party any day. The less government the better 

[preacherman76]

Heck if Ron Paul was 30 years younger he’d have my vote no question. A balanced budget. No more war mongering. Heck, freedom. 
 

Neither of the main parties would tolerate that though. 

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

Heck if Ron Paul was 30 years younger he’d have my vote no question. A balanced budget. No more war mongering. Heck, freedom. 

There is an old saying about never bringing a knife to a gunfight.   What happens to our freedom when we have tiny government and our major competitors in the world do?  If it were just us, or everybody agreed that from now on, it would only be knife fights, that would be cool.  Can you trust all of those other countries not to slip a gun in their belt?

[Tatetopa]

5 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

t would certainly be interesting, yet I think we need to kick our entire political system to the curb and start over. I know this isn’t possible but would it not be cool, if not a single American voted in 2024, I think the reaction would be hilarious and I think our politicians would completely lose their minds.

I am thinking they would be overjoyed.  No more oversight, no voters to appease, just do what they want.

[Grim Reaper 6]

9 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

There is an old saying about never bringing a knife to a gunfight.   What happens to our freedom when we have tiny government and our major competitors in the world do?  If it were just us, or everybody agreed that from now on, it would only be knife fights, that would be cool.  Can you trust all of those other countries not to slip a gun in their belt?

Hey Tate I am back, be careful sharing your wisdom so openly like above. Sincerely. I am uncertain he can comprehend what your saying and there is a danger in providing more information than one can absorb in one sitting. When, I was taking Biology I saw a guy who was give too much information at one time, well sadly his head exploded, dam glad I wasn’t sitting near him it was nasty! 

I believe to be responsible old farts we must only share enough information that no one is harmed or that we should chew it up and present information in smaller bites so it’s easy to digest with any danger.

I mean I learn from your posts daily the only thing that has stopped my head from exploring is the steam that comes out my ears due to blown ear drums years, ago.

Peace Tate.

[Grim Reaper 6]

11 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Heck if Ron Paul was 30 years younger he’d have my vote no question. A balanced budget. No more war mongering. Heck, freedom. 
 

Neither of the main parties would tolerate that though. 

Um who the hell is Ron Paul?

Oh never mind I found him! I would never vote fir him. Governor DeSantis will be the next President ain’t no doubt about it, and he will deport ( Trumpf ) the chosen one - the false prophet or the Antichrist don’t know which but deportation is the only Answer!

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

11 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

I am thinking they would be overjoyed.  No more oversight, no voters to appease, just do what they want.

No, I must disagree because our politicians can not survive without special interest groups sticking they nasty dirty  hands into their pockets. You know I always wondered what they were man handling in there!

Edited January 5, 2023 by Grim Reaper 6

[preacherman76]

23 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

 

Edited January 6, 2023 by preacherman76

[preacherman76]

On 1/4/2023 at 9:44 PM, Tatetopa said:

There is an old saying about never bringing a knife to a gunfight.   What happens to our freedom when we have tiny government and our major competitors in the world do?  If it were just us, or everybody agreed that from now on, it would only be knife fights, that would be cool.  Can you trust all of those other countries not to slip a gun in their belt?

Knife fights? No, we up the level to way beyond guns. Make it clear that any invasion or hostile assault on our country means the end of yours. By nuclear fire. 
 

Aside from that we mind our own business.