classified documents from Joe Biden's vice presidency found at Biden think tank

[+and-then]

On 1/18/2023 at 7:26 PM, DieChecker said:

Apparently you don't need to declassify them. Just need to hide them in a garage for just over 5 years.

And the hits just keep on comin'... 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11656255/Hunter-spoke-father-urging-hire-aide-helped-pack-VP-files.html

Joe says "he's not worried".  Either he's too stupid to grasp the reality or he's simply mocking his accusers because he knows the DS is going to cover for him.  Trump had ultimate declassification authority LIKE EVERY OTHER POTUS, but Joe took classified docs away from a secure location and had no such authority.  He took them and he took very specific documents.  He's guilty of a crime and we'll watch him never held accountable. 

Meanwhile, Orange Man Bad psychos will continue to rant and foam at the mouth over his possession of documents that he had every authority to declassify, regardless of the "legal experts" here saying otherwise.  SCOTUS will eventually rule on it and either they'll follow the Constitution and clear him OR they'll make their own law and nail him for something no other POTUS ever was charged for.  Either way, he wins.  It cannot disqualify him from running AND if they limit presidential powers to declassify, that will be in stone for every future POTUS.  The Dems have such a mania for taking him down that they're willing to burn their own houses down to do it.  Too funny...

[F3SS]

4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

Probably the same experts saying there's nothing going on with these documents. Just filed in the wrong cabinet is all...

Proven so wrong once, why should we believe them now? Well, because Joe's a Democrat... Can there be a better reason??

Sarcasm

Proven wrong is being nice. They were proven deceptive. I've always wondered if that itself is even true. Is there really 50 signatures? If so, they were paid for it no doubt. Same with Clinton's emails. 17 ABC agencies have already debunked this or that? Didn't they really? Did 17 agencies really conduct a full authentic investigation into whichever matter they used that line on? I think they used that line throughout the Russiia hoax as well. Somehow, I doubt it.

I think being Democrat is definitely a big part. Being an establishment ball player is the real key though.

[Grim Reaper 6]

On 1/12/2023 at 6:00 AM, Michelle said:

How else are people going to cram Trump into every Biden thread?

Whatabout! Whatabout! Whatabout.....TRUMP!

Praying to the Prophet, that’s great, Oh I am sorry I forgot, your don’t support Trump!

Edited January 21, 2023 by Grim Reaper 6

[Grim Reaper 6]

On 1/10/2023 at 8:48 AM, acidhead said:

Biden doesn't know what planet he's on half the time. I'd take that as an adequate defense.

That’s certainly true, there is no doubt he is suffering from onset Dementia. Hell, I don’t believe he will even be able to run again in 2024 so, I am willing cover any bet anyone on the forum wants To be up to 6 figures (Minimum bets must be no less than $500 US ) so if anyone wants to take advantage of this old man here is your chance.  (all bets must be posted at the Wynn Casino Race & Sports Book before voting starts, the winner will pay a 4% fee’s for the transact)

Peace

[+DieChecker]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Praying to the Prophet, that’s great, Oh I am sorry I forgot, your don’t support Trump!

And yet... Here we see Trump in every thread. Just like she said. People even have brought up Trump in various bigfoot threads. 

I don't support a bunch of whatabout-ists who constantly are accusing everyone else of whataboutism.

Though, I suppose this post is a whataboutism of whataboutism? So... 

If the cases are not parallels, then let's only talk about the merits, or lack of, in the Biden case.

EDIT: Not sure why but the site directed me to this post as if it was my quote, not Michelle's. So I edited the post some.

Edited January 21, 2023 by DieChecker

[+DieChecker]

This was interesting to me.

Newsweek: The One Detail That Could Condemn Biden.
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-classified-materials-criminal-investigation-1774934

Quote

"In both cases, the same basic action was taken: a library book wasn't returned. But, intuitively, we all view those two scenarios differently. And fortunately, so does the law when it comes to something like the possession of classified documents."

The problem with the analogy is the library charges both a late fee, and finally for the book. Just because you give it back 5 years later, doesn't excuse the fines.

Quote

Elsewhere, a Quinnipiac University poll revealed that 71 percent of Americans think Biden's classified materials story is either very serious (39 percent) or somewhat serious (32 percent).

Nearly half (46 percent) of Americans think Biden shouldn't be investigated over his handling of these classified documents, while 37 percent think he should face criminal charges.

71% is significant. Though I'd tend to agree he probably shouldn't face charges. No due to him not committing the act, but due to the statute of limitations expiring.

The article does say though...

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"Biden's awareness of the classified materials is the key question in determining whether he violated the Presidential Records Act, Espionage Act, or other federal law," Rahmani told Newsweek.

I suppose it's because you're confessing and that means intent, rather then just making an honest mistake. 

[spartan max2]

FBI searches one of Bidens homes

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/21/politics/white-house-documents/index.html

 

[+DieChecker]

13 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

FBI searches one of Bidens homes

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/21/politics/white-house-documents/index.html

 

Question is.... Does this mean the Biden lawyers, and Biden himself, were "fully cooperating", or where they holding stuff back hoping no one would search again??

Its getting harder and harder to believe that Biden's lawyers did a though search back in December, like they say they did. And then again when they looked a week ago, and found ONE, oh wait.. FIVE docs. And now SIX more?

The FBI found classified stuff in one day of looking that Biden's lawyers didn't find over, what, 5 or 6 weeks??

C'Mon Man!! Expect me to believe that?

Edited January 22, 2023 by DieChecker

[spartan max2]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Question is.... Does this mean the Biden lawyers, and Biden himself, were "fully cooperating", or where they holding stuff back hoping no one would search again??

Its getting harder and harder to believe that Biden's lawyers did a though search back in December, like they say they did. And then again when they looked a week ago, and found ONE, oh wait.. FIVE docs. And now SIX more?

The FBI found classified stuff in one day of looking that Biden's lawyers didn't find over, what, 5 or 6 weeks??

C'Mon Man!! Expect me to believe that?

The search was "cooperating" in that Biden didn't forced the FBI to get a warrant or Subpoena and just let them do it. Unlike with Trump where they had to get a subpoena and then warrant. 

But I agree that it is interesting that after the first batch was found that they are deciding to search for batches elsewhere and finding them 

 

[+DieChecker]

1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:

The search was "cooperating" in that Biden didn't forced the FBI to get a warrant or Subpoena and just let them do it. Unlike with Trump where they had to get a subpoena and then warrant. 

But I agree that it is interesting that after the first batch was found that they are deciding to search for batches elsewhere and finding them 

 

They've been found at Wilmington three times now. Four if you count that 4 were found while trying to hand over one other one.

All these lawyers rolled 1s on their Investigation searches.

[+Razman]

Looks like Pence gots some too. 

Classified documents discovered at Mike Pence’s home in Indiana – report (msn.com)

[acidhead]

35 minutes ago, razman said:

Looks like Pence gots some too. 

Classified documents discovered at Mike Pence’s home in Indiana – report (msn.com)

Straight to jail

[F3SS]

On 1/12/2023 at 4:54 PM, F3SS said:

You may be right. I feel like these xeroxed secrets are rampantly misplaced and mishandled by many for decades.

 

[Tatetopa]

25 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Straight to jail

So it seems like we have a pretty loose and trusting security system when it comes to classified documents and chief executives.  Seems to be a trend. Probably that should be fixed pretty quick before it happens again.

 

 

 

[F3SS]

10 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

So it seems like we have a pretty loose and trusting security system when it comes to classified documents and chief executives.  Seems to be a trend. Probably that should be fixed pretty quick before it happens again.

One thing we've learned about the world's most powerful country is that our government's security measures are awful. Want in the capitol building? Just kick the door in. Want secret documents? Just take 'em home. Want a US ambassador? Just blow his doors down and drag him out to the streets. 

It's a competence issue. These things are easy problems to keep in check if we wanted to but I guess we don't. Look how much they don't care about the stuff involving them then think about how much they could really care about you. They're more interested in power plays and playing chess with eachother than they are in governing and representation.

Edited January 24, 2023 by F3SS

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

3 minutes ago, F3SS said:

One thing we've learned about the world's most powerful country is that our government's security measures are awful. Want in the capitol building? Just kick the door in. Want secret documents? Just take 'em home. Want a US ambassador? Just blow his doors down and drag him out to the streets. 

It's a competence issue. These things are easy problems to keep in check if we wanted to but I guess we don't. Look how much they don't care about the stuff involving them then think about how much they could really care about you. They're more interested in power plays and playing chess with eachother than they are in governing and representation.

Nah, it’s the whole “Superman doesn’t lock his door” mindset. 
So, turns out a minor subplot in a recent(ish) Superman comic is that Clark doesn’t think to lock his door when he’s at home, ever. Because … he’s Superman. Why would he? 
The mindset of “no one is going to do X because I’m Superman/we’re the American Government” both stem from a mindset of power, and thinking that it makes you invulnerable.

[+DieChecker]

1 hour ago, razman said:

Looks like Pence gots some too. 

Classified documents discovered at Mike Pence’s home in Indiana – report (msn.com)

Just more evidence that the classified document system needs a rework.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

6 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Just more evidence that the classified document system needs a rework.

Or evidence that it’s “one rule for thee, but not for me”… as bloody always from those who see themselves as our ruling class. 

[F3SS]

17 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Nah, it’s the whole “Superman doesn’t lock his door” mindset. 
So, turns out a minor subplot in a recent(ish) Superman comic is that Clark doesn’t think to lock his door when he’s at home, ever. Because … he’s Superman. Why would he? 
The mindset of “no one is going to do X because I’m Superman/we’re the American Government” both stem from a mindset of power, and thinking that it makes you invulnerable.

I suppose but I'm just tossing a grenade full of kryptonite through his door.

[Tatetopa]

A little story about 3 individuals and the library.  Just to keep it generic, we can call them A, B, and C.

The local library has a section of rare and expensive folios that are not available to the general public.   However A,B, and C have special privileges to view these documents any time they want.

While cleaning out his office, C's assistants find several rare and expensive folios.  They call the library and report it.  The library sends someone to pick them up and says maybe they should search C's  house as well.  C says go ahead, and they find several more expensive folios  and take them back.

Meanwhile, B thinks this might be a big deal and asks his own assistants to look around, and low and behold, they find rare and expensive folios too.  They call the library to come and pick them up.

All the while A has been in possession of rare and expensive folios too.  But A didn't alert the library for whatever reason.  Finally the library figures out that they are missing some rare and valuable folios and A was the last person to look at them.  They ask for them to be returned, with no response.  Finally they visit A and see some of the folios.  The library takes some back with them and asks for the others to be returned. Nothing happens.  Six months go by then they send an official letter on library stationary that says please return the rest.   A returns some folios and gets his assistants to swear they have no more of the library's folios. All the rest are A's personal items.  But the library gets a tip that there are more hidden and being moved around, so finally they call the cops. The cops show up and find a lot more rare and valuable folios hidden around A's house and office and take back all they can find.  The cops begin to wonder if A like B and C had other rare and expensive folios scattered about at other locations.

A's assistants say that they had some people look around and didn't find anything so trust them.  The cops ask who these searchers were.  The assistants decline to say.

A says the cops probably planted the folios.  Then A says no, I appraised them myself and found them valueless, so I kept them as souvenirs.  Then A says I should not have to give them back because they are mine now. Then A says its all a hoax and I am a victim.

It does not appear that A,B, and C all responded the same in a similar situation.

 

 

[+DieChecker]

Of A. B, and C, A is definitely in need of the most attention/punishment. But regardless all three now have library fines to pay, and will have records to live down.

It's not like the folios never existed, right?

I know my brother went to prison for buying stolen goods. Not knowing you committed a crime isn't an actual legal defense I'd it? "Ignorance of the law...", and such.

[Myles]

4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Of A. B, and C, A is definitely in need of the most attention/punishment. But regardless all three now have library fines to pay, and will have records to live down.

It's not like the folios never existed, right?

I know my brother went to prison for buying stolen goods. Not knowing you committed a crime isn't an actual legal defense I'd it? "Ignorance of the law...", and such.

Ignorance is what biden falls back on.

[+DieChecker]

7 hours ago, Myles said:

Ignorance is what biden falls back on.

It's just there's a ton of people on the left who keep saying, "He didn't mean too...". Which ultimately is just an "ignorance" defense.

[+Razman]

5 hours ago, DieChecker said:

It's just there's a ton of people on the left who keep saying, "He didn't mean too...". Which ultimately is just an "ignorance" defense.

Thats what they should do , say very little , make everyone dig . I'm not saying Biden's right for having them , but thats one of Trumpy's problems , he just keeps running his mouth and can't stop for the life of him for Christ sake.

Edited January 26, 2023 by razman

[the13bats]

46 minutes ago, razman said:

Thats what they should do , say very little , make everyone dig . I'm not saying Biden's right for having them , but thats one of Trumpy's problems , he just keeps running his mouth and can't stop for the life of him for Christ sake.

I was up early and my radio station had on typical braying talk DJs one actually said that it was far worse that biden didnt know he had docs and when he did learn it he gave them back than BOM stealing docs and refusing to return them, idiots prevail.