How Conservatives Became Karens

[Knob Oddy]

1 minute ago, Tatetopa said:

Well I guess we are seeing in real time how conservatives become Karens. 

Can we get a definition of a "Karen" that we all agree on?

From google:

 

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Karen

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Karen is a pejorative term for a white woman perceived as entitled or demanding beyond the scope of what is normal. The term is often portrayed in memes depicting white women who use their white privilege to demand their own way. Depictions include demanding to "speak to the manager", being racist, or wearing a particular bob cut hairstyle

 

So, in what way are conservatives "being racist" or "using white privilege to demand their own way"?

I'd say the article in the OP is extremely racist. Here is an example:

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That’s the point of all of this: white tears. They are precious like butterfly wings and unicorn horns. They are paramount to the plight. They are what “Karens” use as both their first weapon and a last resort, 

Imagine an article about progressivism or wokeness saying:

That's the point of all this: brown tears. They are precious and paramount to the plight. Its what the woke use as both their first weapon and last resort.

 

Just more straw man arguments and race baiting. But it does appear that to be a "Karen" you must be "Huwhite"

 

 

[Piney]

16 minutes ago, Ell said:

That is an interesting name. As an aside: are you perchance able to enlighten me as to the meaning of those names?

Kofi, a Ashanti "Day Name" became Coffee, Cuff and Cuffee in North America.

He was freed and needed a last name. You can Google his history if you add "Gouldtown, New Jersey. His son was one of the founders of the African Methodist Church, Reuben Cuff, who was given money by my Quaker Quarter (Salem).

Another one with the Cuff name was Captain Paul Cuff, not related a Black Indian Quaker ship owner from Massachusetts who ferried escaped slaves to safe areas.

[Ell]

19 minutes ago, Piney said:

Kofi, a Ashanti "Day Name" became Coffee, Cuff and Cuffee in North America.

He was freed and needed a last name. You can Google his history if you add "Gouldtown, New Jersey. His son was one of the founders of the African Methodist Church, Reuben Cuff, who was given money by my Quaker Quarter (Salem).

Another one with the Cuff name was Captain Paul Cuff, not related a Black Indian Quaker ship owner from Massachusetts who ferried escaped slaves to safe areas.

I am going to add (some of) that to one of my books.

[Piney]

23 minutes ago, Ell said:

I am going to add (some of) that to one of my books.

If you want to reference me.

Richard C. Joseph, Historian, Salem Quarterly Friends (Quaker) Meeting

I have some serious mention cred from my research and fieldwork.

[Hankenhunter]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

What is this thread again?  Right winged Karens enslaved by the Chinese?  Yeah, that's it 

Okay, back on topic. 

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Hankenhunter

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[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

Can we get a definition of a "Karen" that we all agree on?

From google:

Well then, what do you call a person who is rude, entitled, aggressive, sometimes verbally or physically violent, but not racist?  I kinda thought that was the essence of a Karen, a polite term for a-hole customer or random encounter. .  I guess I was wrong. 

[Occupational Hubris]

6 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

Were the Jews not slaves in Egypt for generations? 

 

lol

No

[Ell]

9 hours ago, Piney said:

I have a Black slave ancestor, Cuffee Padgett Cuff.

I have been looking into him. He appears to have died after 1810; I guess maybe around 1814.

 

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I have a Black Indian slave trader ancestor Anthony Pierce.

What is a Black Indian? Is that a negro indian? If so, what is a negro indian?

[Ell]

7 hours ago, Piney said:

Another one with the Cuff name was Captain Paul Cuff, not related a Black Indian Quaker ship owner from Massachusetts who ferried escaped slaves to safe areas.

I have tried looking into him as well, but did not find anything reliable. So I will not mention him in said book.

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Ell said:

I have tried looking into him as well, but did not find anything reliable. So I will not mention him in said book.

I'm surprised. He's well documented and his story can even be found in a Friend's grade school history book from the 1980s.

[Piney]

2 hours ago, Ell said:

I have been looking into him. He appears to have died after 1810; I guess maybe around 1814.

 

What is a Black Indian? Is that a negro indian? If so, what is a negro indian?

Half Indian, half Black. His tribe was Wampanog.

[Ell]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

I'm surprised. He's well documented and his story can even be found in a Friend's grade school history book from the 1980s.

Not accessible as a google book. I found some other recent book fragments, but that was too little to go on.

I did not find any 19th century record.

[Piney]

16 minutes ago, Ell said:

Not accessible as a google book. I found some other recent book fragments, but that was too little to go on.

I did not find any 19th century record.

Curious.

I'm busy today but I'll dig around Meeting stuff on Sunday and get back to you.

[Piney]

54 minutes ago, Ell said:

Not accessible as a google book. I found some other recent book fragments, but that was too little to go on.

I did not find any 19th century record.

Try Captain Paul Cuffe.

I just pulled up a ton of stuff on Google.

[odas]

13 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

I don't know if any other system has put more people into poverty/bankruptcy because of medical bills either.

That depends were you live. Medical bills are not a burden in capitalistic countries like UK, France, Germany...this looks like an american issue specificly. Just like there are different forms of socialism, there are different variances of capitalism.

[+Liquid Gardens]

2 hours ago, odas said:

That depends were you live. Medical bills are not a burden in capitalistic countries like UK, France, Germany...this looks like an american issue specificly. Just like there are different forms of socialism, there are different variances of capitalism.

Sure, agreed, but my comment was a counter/qualifier to the statement that 'capitalism' has brought more people out of poverty than anything else.  If we split that also by country I would expect we'd see varying degrees of success at doing that also by capitalist country.  Besides, isn't health care in the UK for example not purely capitalistic and more socialist?

[odas]

1 hour ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Sure, agreed, but my comment was a counter/qualifier to the statement that 'capitalism' has brought more people out of poverty than anything else.  If we split that also by country I would expect we'd see varying degrees of success at doing that also by capitalist country.  Besides, isn't health care in the UK for example not purely capitalistic and more socialist?

You are correct. Most developed capitalist countries have a social ( not socialist as right wingers try to spin it) program for their population. Number one is healthcare, as it should be. Some of them have a combination of privat insurance and healthcare that is financed thru taxes, some of them entirely thru taxes. None them will force you into bankruptcy. 

[Knob Oddy]

14 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Well then, what do you call a person who is rude, entitled, aggressive, sometimes verbally or physically violent, but not racist?  I kinda thought that was the essence of a Karen, a polite term for a-hole customer or random encounter. .  I guess I was wrong. 

A BLM supporter?

Why do you think that your list of attributes reflects conservatives?

 

[+Desertrat56]

44 minutes ago, odas said:

You are correct. Most developed capitalist countries have a social ( not socialist as right wingers try to spin it) program for their population. Number one is healthcare, as it should be. Some of them have a combination of privat insurance and healthcare that is financed thru taxes, some of them entirely thru taxes. None them will force you into bankruptcy. 

Except the U.S. which only has state run social programs for healthcare and every state gets to determine how to manage that, some are generous and some are not.   But the red tape to get it is onerous for most states.   

[+OverSword]

48 minutes ago, odas said:

You are correct. Most developed capitalist countries have a social ( not socialist as right wingers try to spin it) program for their population. Number one is healthcare, as it should be. Some of them have a combination of privat insurance and healthcare that is financed thru taxes, some of them entirely thru taxes. None them will force you into bankruptcy. 

The USA has everything you listed so you are mistaken.

[+Desertrat56]

7 minutes ago, OverSword said:

The USA has everything you listed so you are mistaken.

Except for the fact that people do get bankrupted from medical bills, which apparently doesn't happen in other capitalist 1st world countries.

[odas]

5 minutes ago, OverSword said:

The USA has everything you listed so you are mistaken.

Yes, correct, they do. But not for all, not for everyone.

Question: if you are employed at a company with no or minimum benefits as a pregnant woman, what is the cost of the birth, parental leave, doctor follow ups....? How much would it cost the woman to have all covered by private insurance? How many months do companies cover for parental leave?

 

[+OverSword]

3 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Except for the fact that people do get bankrupted from medical bills, which apparently doesn't happen in other capitalist 1st world countries.

He said none of them force you into bankruptcy.  the USA has every feature he mentioned so he is mistaken.

[+Desertrat56]

3 minutes ago, odas said:

Yes, correct, they do. But not for all, not for everyone.

Question: if you are employed at a company with no or minimum benefits as a pregnant woman, what is the cost of the birth, parental leave, doctor follow ups....? How much would it cost the woman to have all covered by private insurance? How many months do companies cover for parental leave?

 

We only have private insurance and employers are required to pay for half of it, the employee pays for the other half.  Employers who don't have to only have part time workers.   And depending on the state they live in some can get Medicaid that will pay for part or most of the medical costs depending on the person's income and assets.   The person you describe would be a part time worker somewhere and in New Mexico would have part of the medical expenses paid, but would not have any paid parental leave.   There are also self employed people who in New Mexico pay 1000 a  month or more for high deductible insurance and more for better insurance.   High deductible means the insurance company does not pay anything until you meet all your deductible amount, which is 5000.00 or more a year.   Out of Pocket is like copay and uncovered expenses.  It becomes ridiculous for a healthy person to pay that just for a checkup once a year  and the possibility of becoming ill.   My sister is self employed and she pays 2200.00 a month for her medical insurance because she has conditions that need medical attention.  She is lucky that she has the money to pay that, but it makes her life less comfortable and any catastrophic medical issue would put her in a position that she  would have to sell her house.