el midgetron Posted January 17, 2023 #1 Share Posted January 17, 2023 President Donald Trump has long exulted in superlatives. The first. The best. The most. The greatest. “No president has ever done what I’ve done,” he boasts. “No president has ever even come close,” he says. But as his four years in office draw to an end, there’s only one title to which he can lay claim: Donald Trump is the worst president America has ever had. In December 2019, he became the third president to be impeached. Last week, Trump entered a category all his own, becoming the first president to be impeached twice. But impeachment, which depends in part on the makeup of Congress, is not the most objective standard. What does being the worst president actually mean? And is there even any value, at the bitter end of a bad presidency, in spending energy on judging a pageant of failed presidencies? https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/trump-worst-president-history/617730/ Im starting this thread to function as a sister thread to the “Joe Biden after 10 months: Worst president ever” and to serve as a all purpose repository for the never-Trump grievances that litter nearly every thread in this section. Post your BOM here! 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted January 17, 2023 #2 Share Posted January 17, 2023 “Worst president … so far”. 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 17, 2023 #3 Share Posted January 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: “Worst president … so far”. Not even close. I think we are about to see Biden tell him, "hold my beer, watch this" 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankenhunter Posted January 17, 2023 #4 Share Posted January 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, and-then said: Not even close. I think we are about to see Biden tell him, "hold my beer, watch this" Perhaps in the alternate universe you inhabit? The one where all the negative aspects of humanity are celebrated, and rewarded. 5 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occupational Hubris Posted January 17, 2023 #5 Share Posted January 17, 2023 40 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said: Perhaps in the alternate universe you inhabit? The one where all the negative aspects of humanity are celebrated, and rewarded. He openly advocates violence against people with different political views than him. He inhabits the worst of universes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawken Posted January 17, 2023 #6 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Trump is a Jerk, Arrogant, Brash and full of himself. But the US economy was thriving when he was president. I didn't let his mean tweets be a deciding factor on if I will vote for him or not. It wasn't like he was that mean employer I had to deal with at work everyday whereas a lot of people took his tweets personal. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted January 17, 2023 #7 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I wouldn't say that being impeached reflects on if a President is bad or not. Especially in Trump's case. It's been highly partisan. The Left has been so very busy trying to pin fantasy crimes on him only to repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot. For taking on the deep state and making this country prosperous, he is easily a candidate for best President ever. There is no comparison to Biden who has nearly destroyed this nation single-handedly. I hope Trump is not finished yet. He's learned from his mistakes. He is a known quantity now, and accomplishes what he says. I don't think anyone is going to be more able to turn this $-hithole around and set the table for DeSantis to continue the good work. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted January 17, 2023 #8 Share Posted January 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, Hawken said: Trump is a Jerk, Arrogant, Brash and full of himself. But the US economy was thriving when he was president. I didn't let his mean tweets be a deciding factor on if I will vote for him or not. It wasn't like he was that mean employer I had to deal with at work everyday whereas a lot of people took his tweets personal. The economy reacts late to political influence, so a president will have to sit for at least 5 or 6 years to see the impact of his administration. Meaning, Trump experienced the effects of the Obama administration. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawken Posted January 17, 2023 #9 Share Posted January 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, zep73 said: The economy reacts late to political influence, so a president will have to sit for at least 5 or 6 years to see the impact of his administration. Meaning, Trump experienced the effects of the Obama administration. So, then you're saying that when the economy was bad when George Bush Jr was in office with diving stock markets and inflated gas prices. That was Bill Clintons fault? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted January 17, 2023 #10 Share Posted January 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, RavenHawk said: He is a known quantity now Which is why he lost his bid to be re-elected quite so spectacularly. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted January 17, 2023 #11 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hawken said: So, then you're saying that when the economy was bad when George Bush Jr was in office with diving stock markets and inflated gas prices. That was Bill Clintons fault? As I recall he had two periods, so not fully. Edited January 17, 2023 by zep73 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted January 17, 2023 #12 Share Posted January 17, 2023 The thing that sticks in my mind, that I can’t get out was that news conference Trump held with Vladimir Putin. I’m convinced that Trump’s weakness or secret deal behind closed doors, likely led to the broader war in Ukraine. Then there’s the pandemic which Trump said he downplayed “on purpose,” which, without a doubt, has led to tens of thousands if not, hundreds of thousands of excess deaths. I have several family members who were heavily influenced by Trump’s divisive behavior, and one who came close to death, because of it. Those two things easily make Donald Trump the worst president of my lifetime. If he returned the power, I would find a way leave the United States. There is no question about that. 5 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ell Posted January 17, 2023 #13 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) Each primary psychology has its own forte. In that one sense they are superhuman beings; in all other respects they are severely mentally handicapped. Political leaders and military leaders usually are psychopaths: one of the four primary psychologies. Such people excell at making decisions (whether good or bad). Trump in my judgment is a narcissist: another of the four primary psychologies. Such people excell at trade and doing business. I cannot judge whether Trump was a good or a bad president. I lack the necessary information and knowledge. Edited January 17, 2023 by Ell typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Paranoid Android Posted January 17, 2023 #14 Share Posted January 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said: If he returned the power, I would find a way leave the United States. There is no question about that. Just FYI, do you know how many celebrities said that in the leadup to the 2016 election? None of them ever left! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted January 17, 2023 #15 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Paranoid Android said: Just FYI, do you know how many celebrities said that in the leadup to the 2016 election? None of them ever left! This is different, we now know without a doubt what a monster Trump is. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted January 17, 2023 #16 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Sure, trump worked hard to be the worse potus ever and his title is safe. It was time that a thread balanced out the silly biden thread imnsho there should be one thread with a title like, "Who was the worse potus ever? " 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted January 17, 2023 #17 Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Hawken said: So, then you're saying that when the economy was bad when George Bush Jr was in office with diving stock markets and inflated gas prices. That was Bill Clintons fault? The first 4 years, after that it was Bush's fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra3 Posted January 17, 2023 #18 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Well, he's not president anymore. Are we gonna start threads for reasons any president could have been the worst? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted January 17, 2023 #19 Share Posted January 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, Zebra3 said: Well, he's not president anymore. Are we gonna start threads for reasons any president could have been the worst? I think someone just can't get the florida man out of their head and is offended by the "Biden worst president thread". We haven't had a real leader as president since Nixon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra3 Posted January 17, 2023 #20 Share Posted January 17, 2023 George Washington may have spread TB 'cause no mask! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted January 17, 2023 #21 Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Zebra3 said: George Washington may have spread TB 'cause no mask! Did he have TB? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra3 Posted January 17, 2023 #22 Share Posted January 17, 2023 "During the course of his 67 years on Earth, the father of our country survived smallpox, bouts of malaria, multiple infections and abscesses, tuberculosis, dysentery and in the first six months of his presidency, an extraordinarily painful boil “the size of two fists” accompanied by a fever.' No Pfizer. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted January 17, 2023 #23 Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 hours ago, and-then said: Not even close. I think we are about to see Biden tell him, "hold my beer, watch this A historian’s perspective on Trump: Radical or reasoned? While the academic debate over “presentism” continues to roil the insular world of American historians, a different and far more disturbing narrative about our profession is beginning to take root in political media circles: establishment historians, who once rose above politics, are being charged with becoming radicalized partisans. To suggest that a historian — or any establishment figure — has been radicalized by emphatic criticism of Trump is to miss central truths that, despite their gargantuan nature, often become lost or minimized in the whirlwind of a 24/7 news churn: The Republican Party continues to be ruled by a former president who promulgates the lie that the 2020 election was stolen from him. This, despite more than 60 dismissed court cases contesting the election results — many presided over by judges Trump appointed — and rigorous ballot recounts in Arizona and Georgia. Moreover, as the January 6 Committee proceedings have revealed, Trump orchestrated a deadly coup against his own government to try to remain in power. There is more, of course, including Trump’s direct pressure to manipulate election results and more recent revelations that, for mysterious reasons, he left the White House with more than a score of boxes containing at least 300 classified documents. Those are troubling developments of their own. But one needn’t go further than his fabrications of a rigged election and the insurrection he fomented to conclude that Trump is our first anti-American president — and that given his continued political influence and viability, he continues to put the nation in peril. (Note: John Tyler, our 10th president who was later elected to the Confederate Congress, became anti-American as a former president.) It is not the historians and critics who have become radical. It is Donald Trump, his enablers and by extension much of the Republican Party. Are those who fervently oppose those challenges to our democracy when called on to render an opinion radical in return? To expect anyone with knowledge of our history and founding principles to find an impartial position between democratic normalcy and the authoritarianism embodied by Trump is unreasonable. There is no acceptable middle ground. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3703278-a-historians-perspective-on-trump-radical-or-reasoned/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawken Posted January 17, 2023 #24 Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 hours ago, zep73 said: As I recall he had two periods, so not fully. And Clinton is a Democrat and Bush is a GOP. Both had 2 terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katniss Posted January 17, 2023 #25 Share Posted January 17, 2023 13 hours ago, el midgetron said: Donald Trump is the worst president America has ever had. I have this feeling that is probably the way they will portray him in U.S. academic history books. But the last time I looked in my son's school history book, Nixon was portrayed as the worst because of Watergate. And that is mostly what was focused on describing his presidency. The rest of anything else he did was briefly covered or nor covered at all. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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