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Tracking the 2024 Republican Primary: Trump Leads Potential Rivals


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On 1/18/2023 at 4:31 PM, Desertrat56 said:

Well, he certainly isn't a P E A C E M A K E R.   

I guess the unprecedented agreement he helped to bring about between Israel and several former blood enemies doesn't count because...Trump...  Actually, he accomplished more in the M.E. than any prior president but I take your point.  Perhaps I phrased my statement poorly.  The AC will be recognized and even beloved by vast parts of the planet.  My guess is he will arrange a peace AFTER a major war with massive destruction has occurred, and people are scared spitless and looking to anyone who can help stop war.

Trump only qualifies as Satan with the crowd that regularly get their brains uploaded with legacy media tripe.  '24 is going to be quite interesting to watch unfold.  If legacy media finally have to admit he can't be stopped with these endless investigations and legal actions, the Left's base is likely to be mobilized into the streets a la St. Floyd di Fentanyl of 2020.  I mean, if you can't win on policy, try destroying the opposition ;) 

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On 1/19/2023 at 10:03 PM, Agent0range said:

You remind me of that South Park non-conformist episode.  The non-conformists think they're cool, then everyone becomes a non-conformist to be cool too, and then the non-conformists want to become conformists because it's what everyone else isn't doing.  You're cool in your own mind...but you really do try to hard.  

Honestly asking here, are you ok? 

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11 hours ago, and-then said:

I guess the unprecedented agreement he helped to bring about between Israel and several former blood enemies doesn't count because...Trump...  Actually, he accomplished more in the M.E. than any prior president but I take your point.  Perhaps I phrased my statement poorly.  The AC will be recognized and even beloved by vast parts of the planet.  My guess is he will arrange a peace AFTER a major war with massive destruction has occurred, and people are scared spitless and looking to anyone who can help stop war.

Trump only qualifies as Satan with the crowd that regularly get their brains uploaded with legacy media tripe.  '24 is going to be quite interesting to watch unfold.  If legacy media finally have to admit he can't be stopped with these endless investigations and legal actions, the Left's base is likely to be mobilized into the streets a la St. Floyd di Fentanyl of 2020.  I mean, if you can't win on policy, try destroying the opposition ;) 

It pales in comparison to the divisive rhetoric and accusations and lying that he did to his own people.

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On 1/19/2023 at 2:19 PM, Raptor Witness said:

Trump likely is inspiring other bad Republican actors. Such as this dog killer from New York; newly sworn in Representative George Santos.

Despicable ….

At the 11:45 minute mark:

 

If you listen to Lester Holt...you are part of the problem.  You take your talking points from Leftists who get paid millions and millions of dollars to read a script they didn't even write. Tool!  Just another tool of the government.

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17 hours ago, joc said:

LG...I think it is a reasonable statement to say that a person who has done things like, build a billion dollar empire building hotels, is exceptionally bright.  Unintelligent people just don't do that.  I think it is also reasonable to say that,  a person who can overcome the day to day Media Attack Campaign as Trump did...is exceptionally bright.  If a person wasn't very smart they would most probably not survive the Media Onslaught.  That just comes from reasoned thought process.

I see no evidence that Trump is bright at all let alone 'exceptionally' so.  If you think building a supposed empire from building hotels is an indication of brightness then what do multiple bankruptcies indicate?  Regardless as you admit you aren't really paying very close attention since you claim you don't consume much political information, so then I don't know what this position of yours is based on; if you're finding evidence of this brightness in his social media posts than maybe I'm just blind.  Regardless, the most obvious alternative reasoning in your above quote is to simply exchange the word 'bright' for 'rich', you absolutely do not need to be bright to be rich.

17 hours ago, joc said:

I am not listening to the Media.  I don't have TV in my home.  I don't know what commercials are on TV.  I don't know who the latest greatest movie stars or TV stars are...I don't even know what TV shows are on.  So...I haven't heard the day in and day out Negative Attack Campaign put out on Trump by the Main Stream Media.

Well then we're kinda back to my post and your claim.  You said "including not be destroyed by the Media non-stop blitz of negative attack ads" , but given the above you apparently forgot to add 'not that I would have any clue since I don't listen to the media and haven't actually heard this 'Negative Attack Campaign''.  Isn't that also 'reasonable' given your claims?

17 hours ago, joc said:

I like Trump...so...I am just as bad as Trump is because I like him?  That's preposterous.  But that's what I keep hearing...or so it seems.

Yea, I at least didn't say or imply that.  What I'm pointing out is that you seem (this isn't the first time) to want to be above the media madness and uncorrupted by it and claim you don't pay any attention to it, but then you say something like the above that as far as I can see can only be based on you paying attention to the media, assuming 'reasoned thought processes' are indeed involved.  How do you know that the 'Media non-stop blitz of negative attack ads' even exists let alone reaches the threshold that he should have been 'destroyed' by it if you don't actually listen to the media? 

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18 hours ago, joc said:

LG...I think it is a reasonable statement to say that a person who has done things like, build a billion dollar empire building hotels, is exceptionally bright.  Unintelligent people just don't do that.  I think it is also reasonable to say that,  a person who can overcome the day to day Media Attack Campaign as Trump did...is exceptionally bright.  If a person wasn't very smart they would most probably not survive the Media Onslaught.  That just comes from reasoned thought process.

I am not listening to the Media.  I don't have TV in my home.  I don't know what commercials are on TV.  I don't know who the latest greatest movie stars or TV stars are...I don't even know what TV shows are on.  So...I haven't heard the day in and day out Negative Attack Campaign put out on Trump by the Main Stream Media.

I don't hear it...so I am not influenced by it. Those who do, cannot help but be influenced by it.  But I don't, so I'm not.  I don't listen to talk radio.  I don't listen to the news.  I don't watch the news.  I don't look at the drudge report.  I don't need to know, I don't want to know, it just is irrelevant in my life.

I like Trump...so...I am just as bad as Trump is because I like him?  That's preposterous.  But that's what I keep hearing...or so it seems.

There is no day-in-day-out negative attack campaign.

There is a day-in-day-out campaign of apologism.  Trump wallows in that in his Truth Social echo chamber.

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1 hour ago, Liquid Gardens said:

If you think building a supposed empire from building hotels is an indication of brightness then what do multiple bankruptcies indicate? 

With somewhere around 500 business ventures and a handful went south. I always viewed that as a pretty good record. 

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10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Honestly asking here, are you ok? 

An adult quoting a cartoon character is perfectly accepted rational behavior with individuals on the left today. 

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8 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

I see no evidence that Trump is bright at all let alone 'exceptionally' so.  If you think building a supposed empire from building hotels is an indication of brightness then what do multiple bankruptcies indicate?  Regardless as you admit you aren't really paying very close attention since you claim you don't consume much political information, so then I don't know what this position of yours is based on; if you're finding evidence of this brightness in his social media posts than maybe I'm just blind.  Regardless, the most obvious alternative reasoning in your above quote is to simply exchange the word 'bright' for 'rich', you absolutely do not need to be bright to be rich.

Well then we're kinda back to my post and your claim.  You said "including not be destroyed by the Media non-stop blitz of negative attack ads" , but given the above you apparently forgot to add 'not that I would have any clue since I don't listen to the media and haven't actually heard this 'Negative Attack Campaign''.  Isn't that also 'reasonable' given your claims?

Yea, I at least didn't say or imply that.  What I'm pointing out is that you seem (this isn't the first time) to want to be above the media madness and uncorrupted by it and claim you don't pay any attention to it, but then you say something like the above that as far as I can see can only be based on you paying attention to the media, assuming 'reasoned thought processes' are indeed involved.  How do you know that the 'Media non-stop blitz of negative attack ads' even exists let alone reaches the threshold that he should have been 'destroyed' by it if you don't actually listen to the media? 

I didn't say I never listened to the Media.  I was paying attention when the FBI framed Trump over the Peeing on Obama's Bed lie.  

Okay....just do me a favor...go on Google and find some Trump news story that isn't negative.  Resting my case.

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On 1/19/2023 at 8:13 PM, the13bats said:

Hes not the antichrist hes just a loser buffoon.

I simply made a case for why he could be, if you adhere to such beliefs. If you don't, then you're free to disagree. However, the effect is the same if enough of his followers do, regardless. His followers are causing the story to come true.

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10 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

I simply made a case for why he could be, if you adhere to such beliefs. If you don't, then you're free to disagree. However, the effect is the same if enough of his followers do, regardless. His followers are causing the story to come true.

It’s really odd for me to see your opinions on this. You think globalists who want to destroy our standard of living, and who want us eating bugs and who want to take away your car are God sent. Who are building the beasts economic system as we speak are the good guys. 
 

And folks who’d like to see America restored are possible Antichrists. I just don’t get it. 

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14 hours ago, joc said:

Okay....just do me a favor...go on Google and find some Trump news story that isn't negative. 

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-achievements-deroy-murdock

That literally took 5 seconds.  Perhaps you should pay more attention to the media, I understand and agree with the negative of doing that but it'd at least give you a better basis for your opinions on them.

14 hours ago, joc said:

I didn't say I never listened to the Media.

I didn't say 'never', and you did just say, "I am not listening to the Media."

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21 hours ago, F3SS said:

With somewhere around 500 business ventures and a handful went south. I always viewed that as a pretty good record. 

You may be right, depends I guess, but I'm still not seeing where 'exceptional brightness' can be derived from his business record.  First off I don't think his full business record has been disclosed for us to fully evaluate, understandable since they're private businesses.  Plus we don't have much info on how comparable millionaires have performed.  

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1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

And folks who’d like to see America restored are possible Antichrists. I just don’t get it.

Tribalism and the hate it engenders is what is driving opinions like his.  He just happens to add a level of hypocrisy to his views that are a symbol of his lack of self awareness.  Come to think of it, I never knew that "Gaia" had an anti-Christ story.

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22 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

You may be right, depends I guess, but I'm still not seeing where 'exceptional brightness' can be derived from his business record.  First off I don't think his full business record has been disclosed for us to fully evaluate, understandable since they're private businesses.  Plus we don't have much info on how comparable millionaires have performed.  

We can argue brightness til we die. It's too much a matter of opinion.

I think it's reasonable to assume anyone who attempts 500 business ventures could never succeed 100% of the time. 

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8 minutes ago, F3SS said:

I think it's reasonable to assume anyone who attempts 500 business ventures could never succeed 100% of the time. 

That is reasonable, but it's also reasonable that 'business success' is not based on a mere number of ventures, but also on the dollars involved:

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PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard during the 2008 recession.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/

How many of these other business ventures are in the billions? Perhaps part of the reason these other supposed business ventures that did not fail is because of the buffer created by these bankruptcies?

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2 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

That is reasonable, but it's also reasonable that 'business success' is not based on a mere number of ventures, but also on the dollars involved:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/

How many of these other business ventures are in the billions? Perhaps part of the reason these other supposed business ventures that did not fail is because of the buffer created by these bankruptcies?

Yea I really don't know. Trump certainly seems to live and travel like a billionaire before and after his presidency. Idk exactly how great he is at business but he's done something right. The money never seems to run out but you cant hate him for playing the game. Bankruptcy is just another tool in the arsenal. He didn't make the rules.

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9 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-achievements-deroy-murdock

That literally took 5 seconds.  Perhaps you should pay more attention to the media, I understand and agree with the negative of doing that but it'd at least give you a better basis for your opinions on them.

I didn't say 'never', and you did just say, "I am not listening to the Media."

Okay let me give you an example:  The first time I ever watched an episode of Friends, or an episode of Grey's Anatomy, or an episode of NCIS was on Netflix.

I really like the show Black List, but I had never even heard of it until recently and began watching it on Netflix.  Just watched an episode where the DMV guy who helped Raymond Reddington track down people died in 2020.  I couldn't tell  you the last time I watched Network news or CNN.  I do have a computer and I google alot  but only things I am interested in knowing... news stories do come across now and then like this morning when I learned  that  David Crosby had died 5 days ago.

It isn't that I am completely unaware of things that go on in the world.  But I'm not tuned into the Media so there is a lot I miss...which is fine because I don't really need to know...and I don't really care.  And of course, members here post news stories all the time.

So, it is very easy for me to see how the majority of people on the planet are completely oblivious to the 24/7/365 programming of the Media Conglomerates. Where multi-millionaires became that way by excelling in reading a script they didn't write, and with the subtle facial expressions and nuances in their voices illustrate the exact narrative those who pay them want to come across to the world at large.  And I watch You Tube...mostly music and how to videos, but again, just like google, I look up things on You Tube.  So, I am very knowledgeable about what I say.  But most don't realize that because it goes against the very programming I am talking about.  

And I rarely click on links because I don't care to be programmed.  Nothing against those of you who are programmed by the Media and don't even know it.  I just know what the Media actually is and I want no part of it.

Like Trump...The Media casts him as a demon...and you people talk about what they program you to talk about.  Where is Hillary these days?  I wouldn't know.  How is her husband Bill doing?  I wouldn't know.  Since Epstein died in his guarded prison cell with no video monitors working...crickets about Slick Willy.  Why?  Because the Media doesn't care to tell you or follow any of the truly detestable things about President Clinton.  It's all about Trump is the worst, Trump is stupid, Trump, Trump, Trump...but he is running for President isn't he?  Didn't fold his tale between his legs and go away did he?  No...and so it continues...and the Trump is Worse than Satan and Hitler combined narrative continues.  And those of you who are programmed by the Media of course represent their narrative. I believe in Orwell's novel 1984 he referred to such as The Proletariat.  

 

 

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5 hours ago, joc said:

Okay let me give you an example:  The first time I ever watched an episode of Friends, or an episode of Grey's Anatomy, or an episode of NCIS was on Netflix.

I really like the show Black List, but I had never even heard of it until recently and began watching it on Netflix.  Just watched an episode where the DMV guy who helped Raymond Reddington track down people died in 2020.  I couldn't tell  you the last time I watched Network news or CNN.  I do have a computer and I google alot  but only things I am interested in knowing... news stories do come across now and then like this morning when I learned  that  David Crosby had died 5 days ago.

It isn't that I am completely unaware of things that go on in the world.  But I'm not tuned into the Media so there is a lot I miss...which is fine because I don't really need to know...and I don't really care.  And of course, members here post news stories all the time.

So, it is very easy for me to see how the majority of people on the planet are completely oblivious to the 24/7/365 programming of the Media Conglomerates. Where multi-millionaires became that way by excelling in reading a script they didn't write, and with the subtle facial expressions and nuances in their voices illustrate the exact narrative those who pay them want to come across to the world at large.  And I watch You Tube...mostly music and how to videos, but again, just like google, I look up things on You Tube.  So, I am very knowledgeable about what I say.  But most don't realize that because it goes against the very programming I am talking about.  

And I rarely click on links because I don't care to be programmed.  Nothing against those of you who are programmed by the Media and don't even know it.  I just know what the Media actually is and I want no part of it.

Like Trump...The Media casts him as a demon...and you people talk about what they program you to talk about.  Where is Hillary these days?  I wouldn't know.  How is her husband Bill doing?  I wouldn't know.  Since Epstein died in his guarded prison cell with no video monitors working...crickets about Slick Willy.  Why?  Because the Media doesn't care to tell you or follow any of the truly detestable things about President Clinton.  It's all about Trump is the worst, Trump is stupid, Trump, Trump, Trump...but he is running for President isn't he?  Didn't fold his tale between his legs and go away did he?  No...and so it continues...and the Trump is Worse than Satan and Hitler combined narrative continues.  And those of you who are programmed by the Media of course represent their narrative. I believe in Orwell's novel 1984 he referred to such as The Proletariat.  

 

 

When you do your whole "we" all made up our minds about BOM because of that dagnabit media it kills your credibility and integrity with me which is sad because in other topics you dont loose your grasp on reality like when BOM is involved, i cant speak for others but i assure you trumps own words out of his mouth his actions i saw him do gave me my less than positive opinion of him, i get it you subjects hold BOM sacrosanct so you make up that everyone hates BOM because of the media which you blame since you cant blame the real cause which is trump himself  if that type delusion works for you more power to you.

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Trump firming in the markets. Odds are identical for the top 2 candidates. He's also firming in the Presidential race,  down from $6.50 to $5

 

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10 hours ago, joc said:

The first time I ever watched an episode of Friends, or an episode of Grey's Anatomy, or an episode of NCIS was on Netflix.

I've never seen a single episode of Grey's or NCIS, so I guess this means you're even more plugged in and potentially programmed than I am.

10 hours ago, joc said:

But I'm not tuned into the Media so there is a lot I miss...which is fine because I don't really need to know...and I don't really care. 

Some would say you need to know if you're going to have a valid opinion about how unfair the media is to Trump.  Unless of course you are just believing the media you are paying attention to.

10 hours ago, joc said:

So, it is very easy for me to see how the majority of people on the planet are completely oblivious to the 24/7/365 programming of the Media Conglomerates. Where multi-millionaires became that way by excelling in reading a script they didn't write, and with the subtle facial expressions and nuances in their voices illustrate the exact narrative those who pay them want to come across to the world at large.  And I watch You Tube...mostly music and how to videos, but again, just like google, I look up things on You Tube.  So, I am very knowledgeable about what I say.  But most don't realize that because it goes against the very programming I am talking about.  

Ha, which is it, are you 'very knowledgeable' or 'don't need to know'?  I won't speak for the planet, but sorry almost everyone in the US knows about the programming of the Media Conglomerates, especially since the Media Conglomerates report and claim that about each other.  You didn't already know something that obvious?  You must not recognize that because of your own programming.  "You're programmed/biased and I'm not" is a very weak "argument".

10 hours ago, joc said:

It's all about Trump is the worst, Trump is stupid, Trump, Trump, Trump...but he is running for President isn't he?  Didn't fold his tale between his legs and go away did he?  No...and so it continues...and the Trump is Worse than Satan and Hitler combined narrative continues.  And those of you who are programmed by the Media of course represent their narrative.

Just as you represent the extremely popular Media narrative that Trump is being treated so unfairly by the other Media, which has been part of right wing programming practically since Trump ran for office.  There isn't anything you've written here that is any different than what (your) media outlets claim, their programming apparently has been even more successful since you don't seem to recognize at all that you are parroting their narrative.

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5 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

I've never seen a single episode of Grey's or NCIS, so I guess this means you're even more plugged in and potentially programmed than I am.

Some would say you need to know if you're going to have a valid opinion about how unfair the media is to Trump.  Unless of course you are just believing the media you are paying attention to.

Ha, which is it, are you 'very knowledgeable' or 'don't need to know'?  I won't speak for the planet, but sorry almost everyone in the US knows about the programming of the Media Conglomerates, especially since the Media Conglomerates report and claim that about each other.  You didn't already know something that obvious?  You must not recognize that because of your own programming.  "You're programmed/biased and I'm not" is a very weak "argument".

Just as you represent the extremely popular Media narrative that Trump is being treated so unfairly by the other Media, which has been part of right wing programming practically since Trump ran for office.  There isn't anything you've written here that is any different than what (your) media outlets claim, their programming apparently has been even more successful since you don't seem to recognize at all that you are parroting their narrative.

Whatever...I don't care about any of it...so...carry on amongst yourselves.

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10 hours ago, the13bats said:

When you do your whole "we" all made up our minds about BOM because of that dagnabit media it kills your credibility and integrity with me which is sad because in other topics you dont loose your grasp on reality like when BOM is involved, i cant speak for others but i assure you trumps own words out of his mouth his actions i saw him do gave me my less than positive opinion of him, i get it you subjects hold BOM sacrosanct so you make up that everyone hates BOM because of the media which you blame since you cant blame the real cause which is trump himself  if that type delusion works for you more power to you.

Uh...I don't know what BOM means...but that's okay.  No see, I'm not disparaging you guys at all...I know why you don't like Trump...because of precisely what you just said...the words that come out of his mouth.  But see, my point is that you have never heard any words come out of Trumps mouth...neither have I.  What you have heard is words chosen by a Media that  never compliment him.  They take his words and they use them in various ways with out the context being considered of anything.  Everything you have ever heard Trump say is from ...The Media.  That's my whole point.  Consider the messenger.  Meanwhile...the only words you 'hear' from me are from...me.  That's one thing that is so great about this forum...you get to express yourself.  Without the Media twisting your words and plotting against you.  

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6 minutes ago, joc said:

Uh...I don't know what BOM means...but that's okay.  No see, I'm not disparaging you guys at all...I know why you don't like Trump...because of precisely what you just said...the words that come out of his mouth.  But see, my point is that you have never heard any words come out of Trumps mouth...neither have I.  What you have heard is words chosen by a Media that  never compliment him.  They take his words and they use them in various ways with out the context being considered of anything.  Everything you have ever heard Trump say is from ...The Media.  That's my whole point.  Consider the messenger.  Meanwhile...the only words you 'hear' from me are from...me.  That's one thing that is so great about this forum...you get to express yourself.  Without the Media twisting your words and plotting against you.  

You are right what you dont know is okay.

you trying to claim that when trump makes a speech, does an interview, posts a tweet or posts on his own social media platform or bellows at a rally thats not really him thats some omni powerful "media" making it up, and trumps okay with that.  i had no idea you thought that.

Since i will respect that you believe that i hope you respect that i will never speak to you about trump again i will not reply to any thing you post about trump.

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47 minutes ago, the13bats said:

You are right what you dont know is okay.

you trying to claim that when trump makes a speech, does an interview, posts a tweet or posts on his own social media platform or bellows at a rally thats not really him thats some omni powerful "media" making it up, and trumps okay with that.  i had no idea you thought that.

Since i will respect that you believe that i hope you respect that i will never speak to you about trump again i will not reply to any thing you post about trump.

Hey man, I'll do you one better...You can say anything you want about Trump and I won't respond.  And I am probably just going to completely shut up about the SOB anyway because...quite frankly...I don't really give too much of a  bloody goddamn about Trump.  It's not like he is Flash Gordon or anything...I mean you know, Flash, hey now, Flash was the Savior of the Universe.  But Trump can't even save himself...he certainly can't save us.  No one can.  And there is one thing that bothers me about that guy...he plays the Division Game very, very well...and I don't like that game.  I don't trust that game.

I like all you people way too much to let the Donald come between us.  From this moment forward Bats...I am just going to refuse to take part in the Division Game. 

I'm more interested in hearing about your bikes and stuff and what's going on in your club! :yes:  

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