The Puzzler Posted February 1, 2023 Author #26 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, The Puzzler said: Through Native Americans? I don’t doubt it. ”A 2011 study found that Denisovan DNA is prevalent in Aboriginal Australians, Near Oceanians, Polynesians,” Like like the Polynesians and even our indigenous people I mentioned. It’s ages old. Passed down from the Dreamtime x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted February 1, 2023 #27 Share Posted February 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Would you clarify this segment please because as written it’s a mashup. cormac Many South Asian Homo Erectus remains are probably Denisovan. 4 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: Through Native Americans? I don’t doubt it. ”A 2011 study found that Denisovan DNA is prevalent in Aboriginal Australians, Near Oceanians, Polynesians,” Like like the Polynesians and even our indigenous people I mentioned. It’s ages old. That could of been made by H. Sapiens who resided in the same spot. @Thanos5150 has a good link on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted February 1, 2023 #28 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Piney said: Many South Asian Homo Erectus remains are probably Denisovan. That could of been made by H. Sapiens who resided in the same spot. @Thanos5150 has a good link on it. Thanks, that made sense and may be true to some degree. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted February 1, 2023 Author #29 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Piney said: Many South Asian Homo Erectus remains are probably Denisovan. That could of been made by H. Sapiens who resided in the same spot. @Thanos5150 has a good link on it. You know what word I loathe on UM…? Probably, second loathed word…could. Cite your references or go home. I have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted February 1, 2023 Author #30 Share Posted February 1, 2023 The Birdman of Lascaux is PROBABLY Orion and his staff COULD be Sirius. I know lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted February 1, 2023 Author #31 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) My next theory is the timeframes that Sirius disappeared..around 19,000-15,000BC from view in the various parts of the World, not appearing again until Gobekli Tepe times 10,000-8,000BC…..was this star seen to fall, below the horizon? To die, then rise again….? Was the shaman carrying the bird staff in memory of the time of Sirius? Or were the people who continued the legacy in parts of the world that may still have seen Sirius, somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere…? I have endless questions, I read it’s Horus also, the Orion I state, in the cave paintings with the bird head. Connections/correlations/CONCEPTS …just like words are concepts. Edited February 1, 2023 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted February 1, 2023 #32 Share Posted February 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: You know what word I loathe on UM…? Probably, second loathed word…could. Cite your references or go home. I have to. I can't post links on my field tablet so I tagged someone who could. You know what I can't stand. Mass comparison and the inability to figure out the human mind works the same and unconnected groups will come up with the same idea. 16 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: The Birdman of Lascaux is PROBABLY Orion and his staff COULD be Sirius. I know lol ok then........ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted February 1, 2023 Author #33 Share Posted February 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Piney said: I can't post links on my field tablet so I tagged someone who could. You know what I can't stand. Mass comparison and the inability to figure out the human mind works the same and unconnected groups will come up with the same idea. ok then........ So do you think the cave art represents Taurus, Orion and Sirius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted February 1, 2023 Author #34 Share Posted February 1, 2023 The bracelet before was created around 40,000 BC… “Homo sapiens invented the first forms of drilling around 35,000 BC.” https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/denisovan-bracelet-824689a12d3e#:~:text=The deposits of chlorastrolite were,Homo sapiens at the time This is why it’s attributed to Denisovans. But I’m more than happy to blow 5,000 years here and there… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted February 1, 2023 #35 Share Posted February 1, 2023 35 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: So do you think the cave art represents Taurus, Orion and Sirius? Anything is just a guess. It could represent a form of shaman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted February 1, 2023 #36 Share Posted February 1, 2023 9 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: Wrong, didn’t have anything to do with France. cormac I don't know what you mean: those cave paintings Puzzler posted are to be found in Lascaux: http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/prehistoric/lascaux-cave-paintings.htm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portre Posted February 1, 2023 #37 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Do we know whether the bull, person and bird on a stick were even painted in the same time period? Later paintings were made irrespective of the size and orientation of prior, existing paintings. What you show could be a mashup of different painters separated by thousands of years. It's just a wild guess to attribute any meaning to any ancient paintings. We can't imagine their world view any more than they could imagine ours. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted February 1, 2023 #38 Share Posted February 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Abramelin said: I don't know what you mean: those cave paintings Puzzler posted are to be found in Lascaux: http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/prehistoric/lascaux-cave-paintings.htm The people DIDN’T come from France, go to Taiwan then Polynesia which is what you were suggesting. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted February 1, 2023 #39 Share Posted February 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: The people DIDN’T come from France, go to Taiwan then Polynesia which is what you were suggesting. cormac And you really thought I was serious? God have mercy... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted February 1, 2023 #40 Share Posted February 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Abramelin said: And you really thought I was serious? God have mercy... One never knows for sure with you. cormac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted February 1, 2023 #41 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said: One never knows for sure with you. cormac Hmm. Let's say that when I make a ridiculous statement by which I sort of show to 'understand' what someone is meaning, and end with "Right." then you can safely assume I was NOT serious. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted February 1, 2023 #42 Share Posted February 1, 2023 4 hours ago, The Puzzler said: This is true. I never said they did, to be clear. So why connect them at all? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted February 1, 2023 #43 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: One never knows for sure with you. cormac And I also think this is a language problem. I do my best to write proper English, but you misunderstanding me shows I still have a lot to learn concerning sayings, proverbs, sarcasm, irony, and all the other niceties of the Angry-Saxon language. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1200 Posted February 1, 2023 #44 Share Posted February 1, 2023 4 hours ago, The Puzzler said: Sirius disappeared..around 19,000-15,000BC from view in the various parts of the World, not appearing again until Gobekli Tepe times 10,000-8,000BC…..was this star seen to fall, below the horizon? To die, then rise again….? Was the shaman carrying the bird staff in memory of the time of Sirius? Let me get this right: Sirius disappeared, somewhere during a 4000 year period? And it reappeared some time during a 2000-year window? But for between five and eleven thousand years people kept the memory alive with images* like these? I can picture the scene. For thousands of years little cave-boys and little cave-girls would ask, "why does that bird have such a long leg?", and their wise and wrinkly parents would answer, "well, that's Sirius, innit? no-one has seen it for (between five and eleven) thousand years." And then the children would ask, "why has that man got a stiffie in front of the bull? what's that all about?" And their wise, wrinkled elders would blush and fall silent, and pretend they didn't know. But they knew. * I'm hoping there are more examples than just this one? And this isn't simply the single, solitary example of pareidolia and an overactive imagination. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted February 1, 2023 #45 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Abramelin said: And I also think this is a language problem. I do my best to write proper English, but you misunderstanding me shows I still have a lot to learn concerning sayings, proverbs, sarcasm, irony, and all the other niceties of the Angry-Saxon language. I can't teach my wife English humor.... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted February 2, 2023 Author #46 Share Posted February 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Abramelin said: So why connect them at all? People don’t have to all come from somewhere to have a religious connection. While one group was in France, the same cultural ideals were taken somewhere else from a core area even before Lascaux, dispersed by an elite group of shamans, who became priestly lines in some cultures, stayed shamanic in others. The concept spread. Just like North American native people share many old pre-split worshipping idols, shamanism etc with cultures of Europe. Just like everything, the ideas can spread through just a few. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted February 2, 2023 Author #47 Share Posted February 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Abramelin said: And I also think this is a language problem. I do my best to write proper English, but you misunderstanding me shows I still have a lot to learn concerning sayings, proverbs, sarcasm, irony, and all the other niceties of the Angry-Saxon language. Your English is fine IMO, I wouldn’t even know English was not your first language. Im pretty sure cormac read it like me, it seemed more sarcasm than humour tbh….so it sounded like a sarcastic, smart ass question you were asking me, that you thought I was thinking… A good old lol at the end always helps the humour factor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted February 2, 2023 #48 Share Posted February 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: Your English is fine IMO, I wouldn’t even know English was not your first language. Im pretty sure cormac read it like me, it seemed more sarcasm than humour tbh….so it sounded like a sarcastic, smart ass question you were asking me, that you thought I was thinking… A good old lol at the end always helps the humour factor. Nope, didn’t take it as sarcasm, took it as it appeared which seemed to be a misunderstanding on Abe’s part of what your link was saying . If it was sarcasm on his part then it got missed. cormac 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted February 2, 2023 Author #49 Share Posted February 2, 2023 7 hours ago, Tom1200 said: Let me get this right: Sirius disappeared, somewhere during a 4000 year period? And it reappeared some time during a 2000-year window? But for between five and eleven thousand years people kept the memory alive with images* like these? I can picture the scene. For thousands of years little cave-boys and little cave-girls would ask, "why does that bird have such a long leg?", and their wise and wrinkly parents would answer, "well, that's Sirius, innit? no-one has seen it for (between five and eleven) thousand years." And then the children would ask, "why has that man got a stiffie in front of the bull? what's that all about?" And their wise, wrinkled elders would blush and fall silent, and pretend they didn't know. But they knew. * I'm hoping there are more examples than just this one? And this isn't simply the single, solitary example of pareidolia and an overactive imagination. I gave those timeframes as it’s hard to pinpoint the date precisely, as some parts of the world, it was still in view. I do t have Cybersky on my iPad, it’s on my computer which is not being used. Otherwise I could give you better dates from each point. Yes, Christianity has been going a mere 2000 years as we know it, I’d think it will easy be known for another 2000 years. Common religious motifs never die. They just replaced by new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted February 2, 2023 Author #50 Share Posted February 2, 2023 It’s not just my imagination that sees it, as I showed and I intend to download this PDF today to see what this guy has to say about it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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