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Was Christ a Doormat?


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37 minutes ago, Orphalesion said:

Unfortunately modern society often mistakes gentleness or pacifism for weakness.

"I served as a Red Cross nurse in France during the First Great War Richard and if you are drafted you will go and serve as a Quaker medic as did your Uncle James and Gerald. We are pacifists. Not cowards"

My Aunt Emma Engle

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1 hour ago, Orphalesion said:

Unfortunately modern society often mistakes gentleness or pacifism for weakness.

Hi Orphalesion

The same is true with how some people mistake my patience as their perfection

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On 1/31/2023 at 6:09 PM, Crazy Horse said:

What was His attitude when confronted by scoffers, agents, and the ignorant?

We know He became enraged with the Temple corruption, but, at other times He would remain gentle and wise.

So, was Christ a doormat, or did He confront wrong-doing, corruption, and low moral standards head-on?

Did He ever turn the other cheek when there was wrong-doing involved?

Lets say someone keeps passing abusive remarks at you.

That is stressful and annoying, so you retaliate or confront. Those are seen as a normal and healthy responses. But have you ever tried the experiment of non-retaliation. Let them pass their comments as much as they want, take them all on the chin, just to see if anything odd happens?

That is hard for people to do as their stress or anger grows, but there is nothing wrong with trying the above experiment once in your life is there?

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On 1/31/2023 at 6:16 PM, papageorge1 said:

I'd say he showed the wisdom to act in different ways depending on the circumstances. "Render unto Caeser that which is Caeser's'. No use in provoking a Roman slaughter of Jews at that very point.

I agree..

What belongs to Caesar, is his, and stealing is below us, in any case!

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On 1/31/2023 at 6:32 PM, Ell said:

Was Christ a tortoise?

 

This is a fun game. Next!

And mocking Christ is all fun, until it isn't.

May the Lord of Karma visit you, (only for justice) so you may know the Truth.

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On 1/31/2023 at 6:52 PM, Orphalesion said:

I mean all of the Gospels are heavily mythologized and written to highlight whatever picture of "Christ" the writer wanted to convey.

Well so long as they got the sentiments right..

The "love" aspect.

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Just now, Crazy Horse said:

And mocking Christ is all fun, until it isn't.

May the Lord of Karma visit you, (only for justice) so you may know the Truth.

By who's authority do you deem karmic justice upon another? What divine right do you have? 

Judge not and cast no stones. 

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On 1/31/2023 at 7:01 PM, and-then said:

He was assertive enough to cause the powerful leaders in Jerusalem to seek to have Him executed.  The more pertinent question today would be to ask average folks how they would expect Him to behave when He returns.  Most have no clue and assume He will be the humble, longsuffering servant He was the first time.

Great post.

I'm gonna go with PapaG..

I think He will "play-it-by-ear" and do what He feels is right at any particular moment.

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On 1/31/2023 at 7:29 PM, XenoFish said:

He was a fictional character. He's whatever the plot of the story requires. "You're a Wizard, Jesus."

And, what does the plot require now?

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On 1/31/2023 at 8:19 PM, eight bits said:

Well, in Mark, at about the same time he did his Temple number, he killed a fig tree because he lost track of when figs are in season. He's often not very nice to his students, either. Later gospels clean that up quite a bit.

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In real life, according to Josephus, the "powerful leaders in Jerusalem" flayed Jesus ben Ananus to the bone before the Roman governor said enough was enough. All that Jesus did was predict that Jerusalem and the Temple were doomed, no specifics. He wasn't "assertive," he was mentally ill or possibly cognitively impaired.

Not saying that your guy was either of those, just saying that it didn't take much to convince the big hats to off somebody.

At the very least, I'd expect him to apologize for being so late.

So, He wasn't a doormat?

Why would anyone flay a doormat?

They say you can tell the greatness of a man, by the calibre of his enemies.

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On 1/31/2023 at 8:37 PM, cormac mac airt said:

In the case of Jesus ben Ananias they didn’t even have to ‘off’ him as he survived for about 7 years before being crushed by a catapult boulder. Some might have considered that divine retribution. 
 

cormac

Christ survived the crucifixion imho, and carried-on teaching, loving, being, for many years and in many places too..

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On 1/31/2023 at 8:58 PM, Sherapy said:

He seemed to be plagued by aspects of the being human too, like other humans such as claiming himself a god, making empty promises with no intention of honoring them, dishonest seems to fit, possible mental illness, He had a temper and was aggressive. “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” Matthew 10:34 For me, he seemed at times like Benny Hinn bamboozled his followers with magic tricks. 

And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for people were saying, "He is beside himself". And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Be-el′zebul, and by the prince of demons he casts out the demons".

— Mark 3:21–22 (RSV)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Jesus

 

 

You think healing, even bringing folk back from the dead, is an empty promise..?

Strange, but anyway, He brought a sword..

So what exactly did this sword look like, and how exactly did He use it?

From this post, I am assuming He wasn't a doormat, (in your opinion?)

 

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On 1/31/2023 at 10:41 PM, Hammerclaw said:

Curious how Jesus, after Roman custom, was deified after his death, unofficially.

Would you mind explaining this "defilement"?

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On 1/31/2023 at 11:03 PM, Piney said:

Jesus Ben Pantera, leader of the Essenes was stoned with his 5 disciples and hung on a gibbet but I don't remember Rome being involved. ?...or was it Jesus Ben Stada? 

 

Is this how the Quakers teach their children?

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On 2/1/2023 at 12:28 AM, XenoFish said:

So "jesus" wasn't a doormat. Just some crazy with really bad luck.

We make our own luck, Xe, crazy or otherwise.

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On 2/1/2023 at 12:48 AM, cormac mac airt said:

Yeah, they often get hung up on something. :w00t:
 

cormac

Usually by their own petard..

Give'em Enough Rope, and all THAT.

 

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39 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

By who's authority do you deem karmic justice upon another? What divine right do you have? 

Judge not and cast no stones. 

That's why I leave it up to the Lord of Karma, (and GOD).

Why, are you scared, yet?

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20 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Is this how the Quakers teach their children?

Non-theistic Hicksites do.

The Bible is fiction, Jesus is fiction and the only concern is following the teachings in Matthew and Ben Sira.

Yup.

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1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said:

That's why I leave it up to the Lord of Karma, (and GOD).

Why, are you scared, yet?

You're not leaving it up to "God". You are basically "spiritually threatening" someone. 

Am I scared? Haven't got a reason to be.

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32 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

You think healing, even bringing folk back from the dead, is an empty promise..?

Strange, but anyway, He brought a sword..

So what exactly did this sword look like, and how exactly did He use it?

From this post, I am assuming He wasn't a doormat, (in your opinion?)

 

What is a doormat to you?

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42 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Christ survived the crucifixion imho, and carried-on teaching, loving, being, for many years and in many places too..

It really doesn’t matter what you believe as 2.4 billion Christians around the world and those that have lived over the last 2000 years believe/believed otherwise. 
 

cormac

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On 2/1/2023 at 3:48 PM, spartan max2 said:

That's sort of liking asking if MLK or Gandhi was a doormat.

You don't have to be violent to be strong. 

That's very true.

So, that begs the question, how can one, not be a doormat, nor violent, and still be strong?

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15 minutes ago, Piney said:

Non-theistic Hicksites do.

The Bible is fiction, Jesus is fiction and the only concern is following the teachings in Matthew and Ben Sira.

Yup.

This is probably why I never connected/resonated with any particular church.

Luckily, both my parents were completely uninterested in religion, and so I was free to explore here, there, and everywhere.

And the funny thing is..

I ended up, here. :D

 

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19 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

You're not leaving it up to "God". You are basically "spiritually threatening" someone. 

Am I scared? Haven't got a reason to be.

In absolute honesty, I am very happy to hear that, this place wouldn't be the same without you.

Honestly, without your input, I would have very little to say.

So, IMHO, you've made a shed-load of "Merit", by being bad..:D

So...

Thanks for THAT.

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Just now, Crazy Horse said:

In absolute honesty, I am very happy to hear that, this place wouldn't be the same without you.

Honestly, without your input, I would have very little to say.

So, IMHO, you've made a shed-load of "Merit", by being bad..:D

So...

Thanks for THAT.

So where only in this thread so that you can spirituality gaslight us. 

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