British Columbia becomes first province in Canada to decriminalize heroin, fentanyl, cocaine

[jmccr8]

2 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Yes, I am Libertarian. I never said I disagree with the new rules just that the new legislation is more than likely going to result in more deaths from overdose. And it is, indeed, sad.  Hopefully people will see this as an opportunity or a lesson to stay away from putting that stuff in their body.

Hi Cid

They won’t and the illegal kitchens that are mixing drugs are not regulated so many don’t know what they are getting. Last year we had 2 girls that bought fentanyl one girl died because it was poorly mixed so had a much higher dosage than her friend did.

I smoke pot and that is it seem to many people drop dead over they years and never did trust chemicals. Before pot was legalized I exercised caution as there was one group in particular that would spray low grade bud with meth to increase potency years before that they used angel dust. Now they can’t compete with legit business or people that can grow their own.

 

[acidhead]

28 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Cid

I smoke pot and that is it seem to many people drop dead over they years and never did trust chemicals. Before pot was legalized I exercised caution as there was one group in particular that would spray low grade bud with meth to increase potency years before that they used angel dust. Now they can’t compete with legit business or people that can grow their own.

 

My experience here in BC regarding legalized marijuana is it's convenient and the consumer now knows exactly what they're purchasing.  But it's also very expensive for high THC.  So expensive it's lowered the black market cost considerably and the consumer still knows what they're buying because the licenced growers are selling to both sides. 

[jmccr8]

1 minute ago, acidhead said:

My experience here in BC regarding legalized marijuana is it's convenient and the consumer now knows exactly what they're purchasing.  But it's also very expensive for high THC.  So expensive it's lowered the black market cost considerably and the consumer still knows what they're buying because the licenced growers are selling to both sides. 

Hi Cid

Yes that is true but the number of growers also affected the group I was referring to as the competition pretty much pushed them out of the pot market. That particular organization is involved in drug production and distribution and are putting fentanyl in coke as cut and producing meth. It’s not really worth their time and money to be involved in pot anymore.

I am still smoking what I grew at home and did make extracts out of it as well for personal use so potency isn’t something I concern myself over. I don’t smoke before or during work nor do I drive after I toke so my consumption has been consistently regulated as moderate. When I smoke a bat I mix it with cigar tobacco as I like the taste and smell better than straight bud. 

 

[acidhead]

4 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Cid

Yes that is true but the number of growers also affected the group I was referring to as the competition pretty much pushed them out of the pot market. That particular organization is involved in drug production and distribution and are putting fentanyl in coke as cut and producing meth. It’s not really worth their time and money to be involved in pot anymore.

 

I'm going to guess that when you saw people overdose on marijuana laced with something toxic was quite a long time ago. Like 2-3 decades ago.  

[acidhead]

7 hours ago, OverSword said:

Everyone should do it twice a year throughout their twenties 

No thanks, not something I'd be encouraging people to try whatever their age 

 

[jmccr8]

Just now, acidhead said:

I'm going to guess that when you saw people overdose on marijuana laced with something toxic was quite a long time ago. Like 2-3 decades ago.  

Hi Cid

It was not so much overdosing but in part why people were starting to smoke meth from smoking meth laced pot and was happening still within the last decade before pot was legalized. I sold pot for decades and knew my grower suppliers well who ever put additives in it then got out of selling many years ago. Have only bought or grown for personal use since then, bud is natural and doesn’t need anything added to it. I experimented with other drugs when I was younger and didn’t like that kind of high not to mention how I saw the negative effects it had on the people I knew.

[acidhead]

Thoughts? 

 

[jmccr8]

3 hours ago, acidhead said:

Thoughts? 

 

Hi Cid

I think he makes a good argument that people should think about seriously.

[Golden Duck]

4 hours ago, acidhead said:

Thoughts? 

 

He is complaining about 2000 o/doses per year under a criminalised system. I guess he wants that to continue.

Why will decriminalisation reduce the stigma of hard drugs, while the stigma of legal substances has increased?

[the13bats]

I hope BC has a goid supply of body bags this is going to cause deaths.

[Raptor Witness]

On 1/31/2023 at 4:01 PM, el midgetron said:

Instead, residents carrying the drugs will be offered information on health and social services.

The United States is taking the lowest road imaginable, despite knowing that incarceration magnifies the damage to the addicted, making many permanent wards of our prisons.

[itsnotoutthere]

Um...can somebody explain the upside of this, I can only foresee a downside i.e. more addicts, more hospitalizations & ultimately more deaths. Seriously I'm not arguing over this I genuinely do want to know what the upsides are.

[Setton]

On 2/1/2023 at 12:55 AM, OverSword said:

Libertarians don't want decriminalization, they want legalization.  Legalize, regulate, all that stuff.  That's how you end overdoses because the drugs are better quality.  That's how you reduce crime because criminals aren't running the industry.  That's how you increase people getting off drugs because there is less stigma attached to getting help.  Ending alcohol prohibition proved all of that.

Reduce crime by making everything legal!

Sounds like an election winning strategy.

I jest, I actually agree with everything you say here.

[spartan max2]

3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Um...can somebody explain the upside of this, I can only foresee a downside i.e. more addicts, more hospitalizations & ultimately more deaths. Seriously I'm not arguing over this I genuinely do want to know what the upsides are.

Its all based around the question of if substance addiction should be treated as a medical problem (like alcoholism and nicotine addiction is) or as a criminal problem.

Decriminlization seems to be the compromise places seem to reach now in days. Where trafficking and dealing is steal legal but the addiction isn't criminal. 

I think full legalization would have better results than either criminalization or decriminlization.

[spartan max2]

3 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Its all based around the question of if substance addiction should be treated as a medical problem (like alcoholism and nicotine addiction is) or as a criminal problem.

Decriminlization seems to be the compromise places seem to reach now in days. Where trafficking and dealing is steal legal but the addiction isn't criminal. 

I think full legalization would have better results than either criminalization or decriminlization.

For some reason I can't edit this. 

Just want to point out the typo. 

"Where trafficking and dealing is still illegal but the addiction isn't criminal. "

[Likely Guy]

32 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

For some reason I can't edit this. 

You can only edit up until an hour of your post.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

13 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Um...can somebody explain the upside of this, I can only foresee a downside i.e. more addicts, more hospitalizations & ultimately more deaths. Seriously I'm not arguing over this I genuinely do want to know what the upsides are.

It might, MAYBE, perhaps mean we see addicts getting help, not imprisonment. But I’m not going to hold my breath.