WaPo fearmongers about 'felony charges' for teachers under DeSantis' rules, later clarifies report

[Grim Reaper 6]

The Washington Post issued a clarification on its Tuesday report on Gov. Ron DeSantis’, R-Fla., education bill, implying that teachers can face felony charges for displaying unapproved titles at school libraries under the new law. The article titled, "Hide your books to avoid felony charges, Fla. schools tell teachers," originally highlighted concerns from teachers about the impact of DeSantis’ K-12 education bill that requires transparency regarding reading materials available to students. For materials that violate the law’s definition of "adequate instructional materials," reporter Hannah Natanson warned that the penalty could rise to the level of a felony.

The following was later added to the story, "The new law comes atop an older one that makes distributing ‘harmful materials’ to minors, including obscene and pornographic materials, a third-degree felony — meaning that a teacher could face up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine for displaying or giving students a disallowed book, a spokeswoman from the Florida Department of Education said Tuesday."  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wapo-fearmongers-about-felony-charges-for-teachers-under-desantis-rules-later-clarifies-report/ar-AA16YfJ5?cvid=34cd21e441ed4e14afa58311ca8d8574

 

 

[Tatetopa]

Where in the Constitution does it describe the method for appointing an overseer to allow or disallow books?  Is it getting pretty close to First Amendment violation if the government decides what books are acceptable?  Asking for a friend.

[Michelle]

29 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Where in the Constitution does it describe the method for appointing an overseer to allow or disallow books?  Is it getting pretty close to First Amendment violation if the government decides what books are acceptable?  Asking for a friend.

It's always been against the law to provide porn to those under 18, much less to kids in grade school. No one had a problem with that until lately. It was considered common sense, but common sense seems to be difficult to find these days.

[Tatetopa]

7 minutes ago, Michelle said:

It's always been against the law to provide porn to those under 18, much less to kids in grade school. No one had a problem with that until lately. It was considered common sense, but common sense seems to be difficult to find these days.

I totally agree.  I thought porn had to do with the sex act.  A book on my two dads, especially if it makes no reference to sex or Blacks as slaves may not qualify as porn by the standard definition.

[Michelle]

13 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I totally agree.  I thought porn had to do with the sex act.  A book on my two dads, especially if it makes no reference to sex or Blacks as slaves may not qualify as porn by the standard definition.

Parents have been kicked out of community school meeting for reading out of an elementary school book. Even down to giving a BJ. They said they didn't allow that kind of language, their were kids in the room and threw her out.. It was definitely porn and more parents are following suit. That was one of the reason the teachers union asked Biden to put parents on the domestic terror list.

Edited February 1, 2023 by Michelle

[Gromdor]

Odd, I thought he was banning books on race and gender orientation.  Miami Bookstore Owners React to Florida's Whopping Number of Banned Books | Miami New Times

I see, "Of Mice and Men" is one of the banned books.  My evil English teacher made the class read that one. Something about trying to teach us about the Great Depression.  

"Black Lives Matter: From a Moment to a Movement"-  very pornographic.

"Maus" - I can see that.  A book about the Holocaust where jews were portrayed as mice.  Very pornographic.

 

[spartan max2]

42 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Parents have been kicked out of community school meeting for reading out of an elementary school book. Even down to giving a BJ. They said they didn't allow that kind of language, their were kids in the room and threw her out.. It was definitely porn and more parents are following suit. That was one of the reason the teachers union asked Biden to put parents on the domestic terror list.

I'm confused. Are you saying a children's book was about giving a *******?

I'm pretty skeptical of that. It sounds a lot like the "schools provide cat litter to students who identify as cats" myth that floated around the internet as a anti trans thing.

As for what I've noticed in my city. The suburbs banned a book called "it's okay to be a unicorn" because they decided unicorn meant gay which of course is evil to imply it's okay to be gay (the dumbest thing is that the book didn't even imply anything about being gay. The unicorn was just different and the book was about it's okay to be different)

And the other one was some kind of doctor Seuss book for being too political. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by spartan max2

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Michelle said:

It's always been against the law to provide porn to those under 18, much less to kids in grade school. No one had a problem with that until lately. It was considered common sense, but common sense seems to be difficult to find these days.

Not only that, these days the "teachers" have become militant activists for the cause and are aggressively pushing an agenda that goes directly against the desires of how parents are raising their kids.  I support the law and think that any teacher in those classrooms who is so motivated to poison the minds of children, has no business being anywhere near one.

[+and-then]

29 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

"Black Lives Matter: From a Moment to a Movement"-  very pornographic.

CRT isn't pornographic, it IS an abomination that intentionally skews actual history and replaces it with a course blaming all whites for every problem suffered by the black community.  They should just add a specific history module on the life and escapades of the Democrat party.  That will accurately teach the children why the black community is so devastated today.

[+and-then]

29 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I'm pretty skeptical of that.

https://fox59.com/news/education/carmel-parents-outraged-over-sexually-explicit-content-found-in-books-available-to-students/

and to avoid the canard over the source:

https://cbs4indy.com/news/carmel-parents-share-outraged-over-sexually-explicit-content-in-library-books/

[Michelle]

Parents in Loudoun County, Virginia, are outraged after discovering that thousands of books were placed in classrooms across the school district this year as part of a new “Diverse Classroom Library Initiative.”

While most of these books focus on introducing kids to different cultures and ethnicities, parents began to discover that an alarming number of the books focused on “sexual diversity,” contain sexually explicit language, including “frequent descriptions of underage drinking, fondling, m********ion, orgasms, oral sex, sexual intercourse, sexual abuse, statutory rape, incest, and rape.”

cont...

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/anna-anderson/sexually-explicit-books-were-put-these-virginia-classrooms-parents-want

[the13bats]

3 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Where in the Constitution does it describe the method for appointing an overseer to allow or disallow books?  Is it getting pretty close to First Amendment violation if the government decides what books are acceptable?  Asking for a friend.

Didnt a party in the 30s just roast marshmallows over books they didnt like?

[Tatetopa]

4 hours ago, Michelle said:

Parents in Loudoun County, Virginia, are outraged after discovering that thousands of books were placed in classrooms across the school district this year as part of a new “Diverse Classroom Library Initiative.”

While most of these books focus on introducing kids to different cultures and ethnicities, parents began to discover that an alarming number of the books focused on “sexual diversity,” contain sexually explicit language, including “frequent descriptions of underage drinking, fondling, m********ion, orgasms, oral sex, sexual intercourse, sexual abuse, statutory rape, incest, and rape.”

cont...

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/anna-anderson/sexually-explicit-books-were-put-these-virginia-classrooms-parents-want

All I can say is that if I believed it was true, I would be shocked and outraged.  I  am going to put this one with kitty litter in the bathrooms.  I can believe the my to moms or unicorn boy or whatever, but explicit sex, either gay or otherwise is just not going to appear in kindergarten or primary school books. High School, I am not too sure about. 

[the13bats]

15 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

All I can say is that if I believed it was true, I would be shocked and outraged.  I  am going to put this one with kitty litter in the bathrooms.  I can believe the my to moms or unicorn boy or whatever, but explicit sex, either gay or otherwise is just not going to appear in kindergarten or primary school books. High School, I am not too sure about. 

I guess those who do buy it could show accredited proof you know so they dont look all gullible and they could even say they told us so.

[bmk1245]

Put "Johnny the Walrus" in libraries istead...

[spartan max2]

8 hours ago, Michelle said:

Parents in Loudoun County, Virginia, are outraged after discovering that thousands of books were placed in classrooms across the school district this year as part of a new “Diverse Classroom Library Initiative.”

While most of these books focus on introducing kids to different cultures and ethnicities, parents began to discover that an alarming number of the books focused on “sexual diversity,” contain sexually explicit language, including “frequent descriptions of underage drinking, fondling, m********ion, orgasms, oral sex, sexual intercourse, sexual abuse, statutory rape, incest, and rape.”

cont...

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/anna-anderson/sexually-explicit-books-were-put-these-virginia-classrooms-parents-want

Your original comment made me think you were talking about little kids reading pornographic stuff like BJs. Which I didn't notice happening on your or And Then Link.

The little kid stuff in this list of "two mom's" and the 'boy king" have nonething to do with sexual acts. 

As for middle and high schoolers. There is a difference between a book mentioning sex and of a book being pornographic. Just like sex ed on middle school, are we supposed to act like high schoolers don't think about sex? 

The only thing on the list she explicitly said that could raise an eyebrow is the book where the side character has a relationship with a middle age adult. But without reading the book I can't say if what way the book portrays that. 

Talking about rape in highschool story books are actually the perfect time to talk about it. Because highschoolers are some of the most likely people to be raped or sexually assaulted and to be confused about consent. 

Also, when I was in highschool I distinctly remember 50 Shades of Grey just came out and all the girls were reading it. Oddly girls reading about that straight sex stuff didn't cause mass outrage 

Edited February 1, 2023 by spartan max2

[Michelle]

3 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Your original comment made me think you were talking about little kids reading pornographic stuff like BJs. Which I didn't notice happening on your or And Then Link.

You didn't read the link very well did you.

 

Other titles include, but are certainly not limited to: “Prince and Knight” (second grade), “Beyond Magenta: Transgender Teens Speak Out,” “Some Girls Bind,” “Weird Girl and What’s His Name” (positively featuring statutory rape between a young boy and his boss, and a relationship between a girl and her teacher), and “Being Jazz: My Life as a Transgender Teen.”

The content in many of these books is graphic, and the language so obscene that when parents read passages aloud at a recent school board meeting, board member Joy Maloney, who supported the books, protested that the meeting wasn’t an “appropriate setting” to hear such language.

[spartan max2]

8 minutes ago, Michelle said:

You didn't read the link very well did you.

 

Other titles include, but are certainly not limited to: “Prince and Knight” (second grade), “Beyond Magenta: Transgender Teens Speak Out,” “Some Girls Bind,” “Weird Girl and What’s His Name” (positively featuring statutory rape between a young boy and his boss, and a relationship between a girl and her teacher), and “Being Jazz: My Life as a Transgender Teen.”

The content in many of these books is graphic, and the language so obscene that when parents read passages aloud at a recent school board meeting, board member Joy Maloney, who supported the books, protested that the meeting wasn’t an “appropriate setting” to hear such language.

Sure. You're trusting the narrative of some lady that says Two Mom's is a horrible book.

Without actually quotes it's hard to say whats graphic and what's parents freaking out about the mere mention of sex or gender. 

From your list the little kids book have nonething sexually graphic in it. Google some of the books for yourself. Like Prince and Knight. Its noenthing to do with graphic sexually stuff. Its literally just parents hating on gay people. Literally just a prince and knight get married after fighting a dragon lol

 

As for teenagers. Teenagers cuss and talk about sex. Can their books? 

And you may have missed I did reply to Weird Girl and What’s His Name”. Its the only one that could raise an eyebrow depending on how the side characters relationship with a middle-age person depicted. If it says that's okay than it's a bad book. If it uses it as a lesson about consent than it's probably good to talk about. 

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by spartan max2

[+Desertrat56]

14 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

The Washington Post issued a clarification on its Tuesday report on Gov. Ron DeSantis’, R-Fla., education bill, implying that teachers can face felony charges for displaying unapproved titles at school libraries under the new law. The article titled, "Hide your books to avoid felony charges, Fla. schools tell teachers," originally highlighted concerns from teachers about the impact of DeSantis’ K-12 education bill that requires transparency regarding reading materials available to students. For materials that violate the law’s definition of "adequate instructional materials," reporter Hannah Natanson warned that the penalty could rise to the level of a felony.

The following was later added to the story, "The new law comes atop an older one that makes distributing ‘harmful materials’ to minors, including obscene and pornographic materials, a third-degree felony — meaning that a teacher could face up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine for displaying or giving students a disallowed book, a spokeswoman from the Florida Department of Education said Tuesday."  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wapo-fearmongers-about-felony-charges-for-teachers-under-desantis-rules-later-clarifies-report/ar-AA16YfJ5?cvid=34cd21e441ed4e14afa58311ca8d8574

 

 

Farenheit 451

[jmccr8]

Gee I am starting to wonder if America shouldn’t have a prison for elected government representatives that you can vote for the prisoner of your choice. Lock them all up and they can campaign from their cells.

[Michelle]

They were just asking at first to make them age appropriate and they got push back. This is going on all over the US.

 

Parents in the North Texas city of Keller spoke at their local school board meeting Monday to demand more transparency from officials about sexually explicit books found in their kids’ campus libraries.

“There’s a lot of parents out there that don’t know what’s going on,” one local father said. “These books are not meant for kids.”

Keller Independent School District parents and community members rallied right before the Monday night school board meeting, and then went inside to voice their ongoing concerns about the explicit materials. They also questioned the district’s process for reviewing books containing graphic sex and other content inappropriate for school-age children.

cont...

https://texasscorecard.com/local/keller-parents-confront-school-board-these-books-are-not-meant-for-kids/