Cannock Chase ghost videoed by drone

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, joc said:

My grandmother used to call me her, Little brown-haired, black-eyed boy!

My gma had pet names for me too but some not so enduring

[papageorge1]

On 2/13/2023 at 11:02 PM, the13bats said:

You will not paint me into a corner with a leading narrow question which is a back fire on you.

"Honesty" in the way you are wielding it has no bearing on if black eyed kids are a reality or make believe lets start with the glaring fact past stories most of which have zero to support they arent made up offer zlitch in the form of supportive evidence not once has a picture of these brats popped up.

You can repeat a made up story that you believe at face value that doesnt make you dishonest it makes you gullible, naive and credulous, show me a shed of evidence past stories blsck eyed kids are a reality otherwise stop your gish gallop

 

OK, our, by now predictable, disagreement about the value of personal testimony. You will give no credence to personal stories. And I say they must be considered in total and judged.

Perhaps one reason for our differences is that I search out paranormal cases in books and the internet. 

To give an example of one from today:

if you don’t believe in magic/the supernatural just go to africa the stuff you see there is going to change the whole trajectory of your life and what you thought you knew.

i was born and raised in australia but when i was 15 (i’m 19 now) i moved to kenya for four years with my siblings. i just recently came back

i have a LOT of glitch in the matrix stories in kenya but this one is the most interesting to me.

my older brother and sister and i decided to go to the grocery store after school because my grandma (who we were staying with) wanted eggs.

we found this, like outside market place where all the food is on tables on the side of the street. we were picking some eggs until EVERYONE near me started screaming and i got so scared and i looked where everyone was looking.

they were looking AND SCREAMING at a black old lady. she was just standing still. she looked SO normal. nothing creepy or scary about her. there was a lot of muslims in the area of kenya i lived in and they were YELLING islamic phrases at her, some reading the quran. it was such a scene.

then as i was watching her she DISAPPEARED i can swear on all the heavens and gods above i’m not lying. she disappeared ON THE SPOT. just gone. the moment she vanished everyone started screaming even more. my older brother told me it’s normal in kenya and people believe woman like her are demons that’s why they were yelling at her to leave.

she vanished man. on the spot. no walking away, nothing to block my view of her, just vanished. my brother and sister saw, the cashier lady at the food place we were at saw and more.

we ran home and told my grandma and she said it’s normal here. WHATTT?! she said it’s people who use black magic to get around and to never interfere with them.

i’ll never forget what she looked like or how my body reacted when i saw her vanish. but with my other experienced, i know for a fact the supernatural, magic and more exist in our world.

 

 

Easily dismissed, but is that the most rational approach or is considering it in addition to other testimonies more reasonable? I happen to believe the above event probably did happen. 
 

So, back to topic, disappearing Black Eyed Children are already within my frame of possible in this deep universe of which we only see the surface.

Edited February 15 by papageorge1

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

OK, our, by now predictable, disagreement about the value of personal testimony. You will give no credence to personal stories. And I say they must be considered in total and judged.

Perhaps one reason for our differences is that I search out paranormal cases in books and the internet. 

To give an example of one from today:

if you don’t believe in magic/the supernatural just go to africa the stuff you see there is going to change the whole trajectory of your life and what you thought you knew.

i was born and raised in australia but when i was 15 (i’m 19 now) i moved to kenya for four years with my siblings. i just recently came back

i have a LOT of glitch in the matrix stories in kenya but this one is the most interesting to me.

my older brother and sister and i decided to go to the grocery store after school because my grandma (who we were staying with) wanted eggs.

we found this, like outside market place where all the food is on tables on the side of the street. we were picking some eggs until EVERYONE near me started screaming and i got so scared and i looked where everyone was looking.

they were looking AND SCREAMING at a black old lady. she was just standing still. she looked SO normal. nothing creepy or scary about her. there was a lot of muslims in the area of kenya i lived in and they were YELLING islamic phrases at her, some reading the quran. it was such a scene.

then as i was watching her she DISAPPEARED i can swear on all the heavens and gods above i’m not lying. she disappeared ON THE SPOT. just gone. the moment she vanished everyone started screaming even more. my older brother told me it’s normal in kenya and people believe woman like her are demons that’s why they were yelling at her to leave.

she vanished man. on the spot. no walking away, nothing to block my view of her, just vanished. my brother and sister saw, the cashier lady at the food place we were at saw and more.

we ran home and told my grandma and she said it’s normal here. WHATTT?! she said it’s people who use black magic to get around and to never interfere with them.

i’ll never forget what she looked like or how my body reacted when i saw her vanish. but with my other experienced, i know for a fact the supernatural, magic and more exist in our world.

 

 

Easily dismissed, but is that the most rational approach or is considering it in addition to other testimonies more reasonable? I happen to believe the above event probably did happen. 
 

So, back to topic, disappearing Black Eyed Children are already within my frame of possible in this deep universe of which we only see the surface.

You sit in a chair and do research from books and on thr net, thats super i have done years of hands on out in the field studies in many different areas and never once seen anything that supported special powers, paranormal etc, i have however seen people will believe what they want to believer and confirm others of the same mindset based on nothing more that face value of a story as we see you do on here time and again. Just because a group of people believe the world is flat and tell stories to support their beliefs doesnt make it so.

Kenya story, You quoting and then believing just a story in no way makes the story true it only shows you are credulous. For example huge flaw in your above "story" if people used magic to travel, appear and vanish that would be easy to prove yet it never had been, heck if that was reality people like Musk and Copperfield would be all over it, also you cant use some 2nd 3rd etc party unproven tale to try to bolster your claims of black eyed kids being anything except make believe. Its lame to try to prove an unproven with another unproven even if you do believe stories at face value most people do not follow that way of fanciful thinking.

Lets take Haiti where you will find some rather heart breaking living conditions, poverty and lack of higher education the beliefs in magic runs rampant extremes like belief in zombies with the classic late night horror movie definitions being accepted, a famous case is Clairvius Narcisse the "story" goes he wasnt a very good fellow so his brother cross with him has a bokor make narcisse into a zombie, he believed he was his family and friends thought so too, but dead is dead we cant come back and neither did narcisse no, his case is very intriguing example of how people can be convinced fiction is fact, the bokor used various concoctions to first make narcisse appear dead then wake him but keep him in a drugged up stupor until the bokor passed away and the controlling drugs wore off and narcisse came home. Keep in mind people like narcisse have little to no formal education.

This is a good example of the use of science and brain washing, manipulation making someone believe fully something that simply isnt reality. Of course i know you will scoff because you are a believer which your ego and life is based on and that is fine i have no problem with that i accept you and others will believe stories at face value, its no issue for me i dont care who is gullible i have no idea why me not sharing in such credulous thinking is such a thorn in the side for some, trust me im not putting you down  i know how upset my way of needing evidence and dare i say proof of claims causes furor in some but like the expression goes, thats a them problem.

Oh btw the last black eyed kid i saw got me for 15 bucks worth of girl scout cookies.

 

[papageorge1]

44 minutes ago, the13bats said:

You sit in a chair and do research from books and on thr net, thats super i have done years of hands on out in the field studies in many different areas and never once seen anything that supported special powers, paranormal etc,

 

But to me you are making the 'sample size of one' logical error. Because it didn't happen to me personally, I don't believe it can happen to others? Just sounds like lots of logical errors there.

44 minutes ago, the13bats said:

 i have however seen people will believe what they want to believer and confirm others of the same mindset based on nothing more that face value of a story as we see you do on here time and again. Just because a group of people believe the world is flat and tell stories to support their beliefs doesnt make it so.

Kenya story, You quoting and then believing just a story in no way makes the story true it only shows you are credulous.

Well certainly folklore and superstition can abound, but the key take away from the story is that something paranormal likely did occur. The interpretation of it can be up for another discussion. 

44 minutes ago, the13bats said:

For example huge flaw in your above "story" if people used magic to travel, appear and vanish that would be easy to prove yet it never had been, heck if that was reality people like Musk and Copperfield would be all over it, also you cant use some 2nd 3rd etc party unproven tale to try to bolster your claims of black eyed kids being anything except make believe. Its lame to try to prove an unproven with another unproven even if you do believe stories at face value most people do not follow that way of fanciful thinking.

Well, such events as this Kenya story are random and unpredictable so 'proof' is not really possible. The closest we have are spiritualist seance type settings with credible careful witnesses investigating for trickery (another discussion) where objects disappear and reappear.

44 minutes ago, the13bats said:

 

Lets take Haiti where you will find some rather heart breaking living conditions, poverty and lack of higher education the beliefs in magic runs rampant extremes like belief in zombies with the classic late night horror movie definitions being accepted, a famous case is Clairvius Narcisse the "story" goes he wasnt a very good fellow so his brother cross with him has a bokor make narcisse into a zombie, he believed he was his family and friends thought so too, but dead is dead we cant come back and neither did narcisse no, his case is very intriguing example of how people can be convinced fiction is fact, the bokor used various concoctions to first make narcisse appear dead then wake him but keep him in a drugged up stupor until the bokor passed away and the controlling drugs wore off and narcisse came home. Keep in mind people like narcisse have little to no formal education.

This is a good example of the use of science and brain washing, manipulation making someone believe fully something that simply isnt reality. Of course i know you will scoff because you are a believer which your ego and life is based on and that is fine i have no problem with that i accept you and others will believe stories at face value, its no issue for me i dont care who is gullible i have no idea why me not sharing in such credulous thinking is such a thorn in the side for some, trust me im not putting you down  i know how upset my way of needing evidence and dare i say proof of claims causes furor in some but like the expression goes, thats a them problem.

 

 

There may be a lot of superstitious beliefs going on but some of it likely does involve real paranormal events such as the Kenya story I shared. That's what fascinates me, and I find extremely important. If you think all of the seemingly competent witnesses I've heard are not processing reality properly then we have to end in disagreement.

The same error made by multiple witnesses in a story like this Kenya one is a bit hard to swallow. After enough stories the real paranormal becomes more likely.

Edited February 15 by papageorge1

[the13bats]

13 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

But to me you are making the 'sample size of one' logical error. Because it didn't happen to me personally, I don't believe it can happen to others? Just sounds like lots of logical errors there.

Well certainly folklore and superstition can abound, but the key take away from the story is that something paranormal likely did occur. The interpretation of it can be up for another discussion. 

Well, such events as this Kenya story are random and unpredictable so 'proof' is not really possible. The closest we have are spiritualist seance type settings with credible careful witnesses investigating for trickery (another discussion) where objects disappear and reappear.

There may be a lot of superstitious beliefs going on but some of it likely does involve real paranormal events such as the Kenya story I shared. That's what fascinates me, and I find extremely important. If you think all of the seemingly competent witnesses I've heard are not processing reality properly then we have to end in disagreement.

 

You confirmed everything i said about you, ty.

You also are guilty of making up stuff, i never said because i dont experence paranormal no one does they very well might but never not once has a paranormal claim been proven.

Again you are mistaking your biased opinion as fact, your kenya story is nothing more than a story it has zero to support its even a true story to make claims it supports paranormal much less proves it is biased credulous and naive and out right wrong.

Do you hear yourself? "You heard" a story. So what its just a story and no, superstitions while maybe real to some gullible believers like paranormal has never been proven.