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Also from 'worthy source' Glenn Beck:

""When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." –"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005 (Source)

""So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research. ... Eugenics. In case you don't know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. ... The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening." –"The Glenn Beck Program," March 9, 2009 (Source)

https://www.liveabout.com/craziest-glenn-beck-quotes-2734744

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8 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Also from 'worthy source' Glenn Beck:

""When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." –"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005 (Source)

""So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research. ... Eugenics. In case you don't know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. ... The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening." –"The Glenn Beck Program," March 9, 2009 (Source)

https://www.liveabout.com/craziest-glenn-beck-quotes-2734744

The quote about embryonic stem cell research is a good indicator that he doesn't understand what that means.   Equating it with Eugenics is idiotic.   

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9 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Equating it with Eugenics is idiotic.   

That's the word I'd use to describe most of the OP.

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So no one wants to talk about the actual content? Seems pretty spot on to me. Even if you have out of context quotes from a 3 hour radio show. 

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2 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

So no one wants to talk about the actual content? Seems pretty spot on to me. Even if you have out of context quotes from a 3 hour radio show. 

The content of the State of the Union speech or the content of Beck's radio show?   It seems the OP is not realling interested in talking about the content of the State of the Union speech.

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How do you finish what the Founding Fathers stated? Invade Britain?

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1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

How do you finish what the Founding Fathers stated? Invade Britain?

No, we would have to invade Canada!:lol:

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8 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

No, we would have to invade Canada!:lol:

You lot keep trying that, and keep getting beaten.

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27 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

You lot keep trying that, and keep getting beaten.

I know and it’s embarrassing, so my philosophy is simple if you can’t beat them join them. I think RavenHawk should consider that!:lol:

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3 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

So no one wants to talk about the actual content? Seems pretty spot on to me. Even if you have out of context quotes from a 3 hour radio show. 

Well I don’t agree no one is willing to discuss the Subject, Donald Duck is willing to discuss his views of Glenn Beck!:lol:

 

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6 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

The following is a worthy source, unlike those that throw out bogus links like candy.  And unlike those, this one has substance.  It is a partial transcript of Glenn Beck's 2/8/2023 radio program.  The clip is about nine minutes and is found near the end.  It is his initial response to the SOTU speech (actually what Sarah's response should have been).  Mind you, Sarah was not wrong, but she didn't give enough because she wouldn't have been able to give a coherent response within that 30min limit after the speech.  Sarah was still the rock-star of the evening, but her speech tied with Glenn's together, nail it down.  I've edited it for readability.  Now watch how the Marxists come to defend Biden.  (https://megaphone.link/BMDC9141409955 - "The Most Embarrassing SOTU Moment Glenn Has Ever Seen")

 

“I was also a little disappointed by Sarah Huckabee Sanders rebuttal speech.  I mean, it's good she told a story setting Trump up for 2024.  Giving a passion plea for what makes America great.  But it was not a rebuttal.  She didn't rebute anything, any of the major points or policies in his speech.  It was as if she wasn't watching the speech.  And I think that is a huge mistake.  You can't prewrite everything.  I really like Sarah.  I do.  But the stump speech response from Republicans is just not enough.  Imagine if we would have just deconstructed it.  You could have had chat GPT do it.  Imagine if we could have deconstructed what Biden actually said, some of the biggest applause lines, his biggest promises.  Let me just throw a couple of these out at you.  Imagine if she would have said something like, Mr. President, you keep saying, let's finish the job.  We'd like to know what job it is you're trying to finish because we don't see the benefits happening to the United States of America.  It is almost as if you're trying to finish the job of the fundamental transformation and destruction of America.  But let's take you at your word.  What you're suggesting we do as a nation via our government.  I'm not sure you understand what your job even is based on what you just demanded tonight.  That all the things that our government should do.  That's not your job.  

 

 

 

Here's what an intelligent person would have heard in your speech.  Let's finish the job of violating the second amendment by disarming Americans, preventing them from being able to defend themselves, their families, and their homes.  I don't want to finish that job.  Let's finish the job of violating the first amendment by continuing to follow our first ever state sponsored religion of radical environmentalism, destroying our energy industry, ultimately massively depopulating the planet, dooming mankind to return really to the Middle Ages.  Let's finish the job of violating the 9th and 10th amendments by going on government spending sprees, including free healthcare for all, free in-home disability care, free college for all, a guaranteed job for anyone who wants one, which would lead to catastrophic hyperinflation, runaway debt.  It would destroy everything.  By the way, none of that is in our Constitution.  Every single one of those was in the Soviet constitution.  However, let's finish the job of what?  Violating the 14th amendment's equal protection clause by asking the top 1% of tax earners who already pay more than 40% of all taxes to pay even more, ensuring only that they're going to migrate out of the US.  To countries that ask them to actually pay their fair share.  It would destroy our tax base. Or is that why you were trying to finish the job overseas and convince every Western nation that we all had to lock our tax rates together? 

 

 

 

Let's finish the job in what?  Ukraine?  Violating article one, section eight, which grants congress the “sole power to declare war”.  Let's continue to fight 100 plus billion dollar per year proxy wars against Russia in the Middle East, in Africa.  Let's continue to drum up support for the next war against what?  China?  Let's finish the job of lying to our children.  That the goal of American life is and must be equity of outcomes instead of teaching them about individual responsibility, merit-based rewards for hard work or personal achievement.  No, let's finish the job.  Let's finish the job of further depopulating the planet by teaching young children that abortion is the answer to pregnancy, if that is her or his whims according to the equal rights of the unborn child.  As if killing a five-year-old is the answer to the inconvenience of being a parent or food shortages.  Let's finish the job of what?  Turning American into a socialist Soviet state.  I refer you back to the Soviet constitution, where the government sets all the prices, takes over businesses.  Or you could go to the fascistic look where it's a public/private partnership.  Their words.  The fascist words, not mine, but strangely yours, where they come in and they either take over the business or they partner with the industries to achieve social goals demanding they produce drugs or hearing AIDS or music and then must sell them at a price that the government demands or decides is fair.  I don't want to finish that job.  

 

 

 

Mr. President, I don't think you understand what finishing your job really means, because it seems like you don't even know what your job is.  And it's weird because you've taken the oath of office several times.  And your job, the job of the American government is to ensure and protect the liberty and freedom of each individual, every man, woman and child.  What is it?  From the Declaration of Independence.  “And governments are instituted among men to protect these rights”.  That's why in America, we even have a government.  When you became a Senator and then Vice President and now President, you took an oath of office. There was no mention of jobs for all.  Free college, free healthcare, destroying our industries to follow your party's chosen scientist’s whim on energy policy.  Perhaps you need a reminder of that oath.  To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”.  By the way, the reason you have a veto is because you believe it to be unconstitutional.  Not because you don't like it, but because you believe it is unconstitutional.  But how many Presidents even remember that on both sides of the aisle?  Let me ask you, Mr. President, when you stated your plan and your mission, do you not see it clearly violates the precepts and the text of the Constitution?  And what does that mean to you?  However, to give credit where credit is due, you were right about one thing.  We still do have a job to do

6 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

 

 

 

Except I think we should finish the job our founders started to “ensure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity”.  That, sir, is the job.  That is the job that is still left undone.  Because it will never be totally finished, ever.  It's through human freedom and liberty and meritocracy that we will cure cancer, we will protect the environment, lower healthcare costs, plus we'll improve the economy and confront our enemies as they arise, because that's what Americans do.  And every time there's a public/private partnership or government gets involved; it destroys the freedom.  It's the people.  Not higher taxes on a few people.  Not through government controls of industries or price controls or wage and job guarantees that enslaved the few for the benefit of the many.  That's not capitalism, sir.  Although you said twice last night, you're a capitalist, I don't think you even know what that means.  It's another “C” word.  Constitution.  Capitalist.  That's socialism.  That's Marx, Mao, Hitler, Putin, and Xi.  They each believed well intended for their people.  But the path to hell, your job, is a public servant.  It's singular and simple to defend and protect the Constitution.  So, in the spirit of bipartisanship, sir, suck it up.  Let's all hold hands.  Let's finish that job.  That's what should have been said last night.”

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

The notion that this leads to runaway inflation is pure BS, as most of the countries with such programs have healthier economies AND healthier people than the USA.  This isn't even a joke, it's a national tragedy.  Every other country manages to pay for its people to have health cover, why can't the USA?  Simply because the Medical Lobby and the Insurance Lobby are too powerful when they team up, and they are literally letting low income USA die untreated.  This is an appalling situation and it needs to be fixed.  Every other country in the Developed World pities the USA for our ****ty miserable Healthcare. 

My theory for another reason not to have good national health care: Status. Society is competing in the division of resources and  status. 

Folks of certain income levels occupy the top of the status ladder.

 Below them are the highly paid but still employees of someone.

Down in the midsection there are those that send their kids to private schools

There are those who have a good job with insurance, vacation, sick pay, family leave and some extras because they are deemed valuable.

There are those who just have a steady job and have to pay their own insurance.

There are those who have a steady job, a part time job  or no job and no insurance.

There are the homeless, where would the bottom be without them?

Well it would be the drugged out utterly hopeless homeless.

People can slide in an extra group or two below themselves.  They are not  at the bottom anymore, there are people worse off than themselves.  They have not climbed the status ladder, but they can feel better about themselves.

Its a tool of fear and control, that keeps everybody in their place and it keeps the money flowing upwards, ever upwards. 

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10 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

The following is a worthy source, unlike those that throw out bogus links like candy.  And unlike those, this one has substance.  It is a partial transcript of Glenn Beck's 2/8/2023 radio program.  The clip is about nine minutes and is found near the end.  It is his initial response to the SOTU speech (actually what Sarah's response should have been).  Mind you, Sarah was not wrong, but she didn't give enough because she wouldn't have been able to give a coherent response within that 30min limit after the speech.  Sarah was still the rock-star of the evening, but her speech tied with Glenn's together, nail it down.  I've edited it for readability.  Now watch how the Marxists come to defend Biden.  (https://megaphone.link/BMDC9141409955 - "The Most Embarrassing SOTU Moment Glenn Has Ever Seen")

10 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

I was also a little disappointed by Sarah Huckabee Sanders rebuttal speech.  I mean, it's good she told a story setting Trump up for 2024.  Giving a passion plea for what makes America great.  But it was not a rebuttal.  She didn't rebute anything, any of the major points or policies in his speech.  It was as if she wasn't watching the speech.  And I think that is a huge mistake.  You can't prewrite everything.  I really like Sarah.  I do.  But the stump speech response from Republicans is just not enough.  Imagine if we would have just deconstructed it.  You could have had chat GPT do it.  Imagine if we could have deconstructed what Biden actually said, some of the biggest applause lines, his biggest promises.  Let me just throw a couple of these out at you.  Imagine if she would have said something like, Mr. President, you keep saying, let's finish the job.  We'd like to know what job it is you're trying to finish because we don't see the benefits happening to the United States of America.  It is almost as if you're trying to finish the job of the fundamental transformation and destruction of America.  But let's take you at your word.  What you're suggesting we do as a nation via our government.  I'm not sure you understand what your job even is based on what you just demanded tonight.  That all the things that our government should do.  That's not your job

I have no use for Sarah Sanders, she is a Parrot and I have never heard anything original and useful coming from her. Glenn Beck, on the hand isn’t afraid to rock the boat, and his personal feelings and thoughts concerning Donald Trump and the way he speaks his mind are not normal for a RightWing Pundit. But, while I certainly don’t agree with everything Mr. Beck Supports I do enjoy reading his commentary. Unfortunately, though your link to Mr. Becks input doesn’t open using Sarin and all my computer devices are Apple.

10 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Here's what an intelligent person would have heard in your speech.  Let's finish the job of violating the second amendment by disarming Americans, preventing them from being able to defend themselves, their families, and their homes.  I don't want to finish that job.  Let's finish the job of violating the first amendment by continuing to follow our first ever state sponsored religion of radical environmentalism, destroying our energy industry, ultimately massively depopulating the planet, dooming mankind to return really to the Middle Ages.  Let's finish the job of violating the 9th and 10th amendments by going on government spending sprees, including free healthcare for all, free in-home disability care, free college for all, a guaranteed job for anyone who wants one, which would lead to catastrophic hyperinflation, runaway debt.  It would destroy everything.  By the way, none of that is in our Constitution.  Every single one of those was in the Soviet constitution.  However, let's finish the job of what?  Violating the 14th amendment's equal protection clause by asking the top 1% of tax earners who already pay more than 40% of all taxes to pay even more, ensuring only that they're going to migrate out of the US.  To countries that ask them to actually pay their fair share.  It would destroy our tax base. Or is that why you were trying to finish the job overseas and convince every Western nation that we all had to lock our tax rates together?

It’s interesting that you choose to bring up the income tax schedules. I fall into the tax category in the chart below 10%-5% bracket, I have paid taxes every year since the year 2000. My wife and I took our Social Security early ( 62 ) starting in 2022, and yes we lost money because we didn’t wait until 65, but it’s better to get something back than to get nothing. Because the way things are going the future of Social Security is very unclear, according to the current information available in 2034 the amount paid by Social Security will start being reduced, and continue to be reduced year after year.

I personally think all Americans who have paid their fair share of taxes should consider taking their Social Security at 62 if they can afford too. I have not lived in the United States since 2014, and yet I pay a few thousand dollars in taxes every year. I could cheat the system, and become a Korean Citizen, but I would never do such a thing to save money on my taxes. I already, pay Korean Tax’s in addition to US Taxes on our home, automobiles, and insurance.

So basically I am calling you out, yes the Top 1% of earners in America do certainly pay the highest taxes, but they also, like myself make a much larger percentage of the income that equals that 1%. I am not greedy, so I don’t mind paying my fair share, and even after paying these taxes I still post Capital Gains each year. So, I really don’t se the point your trying to make, would you be so kind as to break it down further?

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10 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Let's finish the job in what?  Ukraine?  Violating article one, section eight, which grants congress the “sole power to declare war”.  Let's continue to fight 100 plus billion dollar per year proxy wars against Russia in the Middle East, in Africa.  Let's continue to drum up support for the next war against what?  China?  Let's finish the job of lying to our children.  That the goal of American life is and must be equity of outcomes instead of teaching them about individual responsibility, merit-based rewards for hard work or personal achievement.  No, let's finish the job.  Let's finish the job of further depopulating the planet by teaching young children that abortion is the answer to pregnancy, if that is her or his whims according to the equal rights of the unborn child.  As if killing a five-year-old is the answer to the inconvenience of being a parent or food shortages.  Let's finish the job of what?  Turning American into a socialist Soviet state.  I refer you back to the Soviet constitution, where the government sets all the prices, takes over businesses.  Or you could go to the fascistic look where it's a public/private partnership.  Their words.  The fascist words, not mine, but strangely yours, where they come in and they either take over the business or they partner with the industries to achieve social goals demanding they produce drugs or hearing AIDS or music and then must sell them at a price that the government demands or decides is fair.  I don't want to finish that job. 

:lol:Wow, you honestly violate the most important tenant of calling out others for what you see as their shortcomings and then you start name calling!:lol: Your honestly a HOOT, but basically your pontification amounts to one thing and only one thing DOODLE SQUAT,:P BECAUSE WITH ALL YOUR COMPLAINING, you don’t offer the most important thing a SOLUTION,:yes:

You see anyone can stand on a soap box and complain, BUT WITHOUT OFFERING A SOLUTION YOUR OPINION AND COMMENTS ARE USELESS DRIVEL,:no:

10 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Mr. President, I don't think you understand what finishing your job really means, because it seems like you don't even know what your job is.  And it's weird because you've taken the oath of office several times.  And your job, the job of the American government is to ensure and protect the liberty and freedom of each individual, every man, woman and child.  What is it?  From the Declaration of Independence.  “And governments are instituted among men to protect these rights”.  That's why in America, we even have a government.  When you became a Senator and then Vice President and now President, you took an oath of office. There was no mention of jobs for all.  Free college, free healthcare, destroying our industries to follow your party's chosen scientist’s whim on energy policy.  Perhaps you need a reminder of that oath.  To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”.  By the way, the reason you have a veto is because you believe it to be unconstitutional.  Not because you don't like it, but because you believe it is unconstitutional.  But how many Presidents even remember that on both sides of the aisle?  Let me ask you, Mr. President, when you stated your plan and your mission, do you not see it clearly violates the precepts and the text of the Constitution?  And what does that mean to you?  However, to give credit where credit is due, you were right about one thing.  We still do have a job to do

What in President Biden’s State of the Union address violated the precepts and and text of the Constitution?

You made the accusation so please explain what was violated and supply sources to the page and paragraph of the Constitution that says whatever you speaking of was violated can you do that?

If you fail to offer, page and paragraph in the Constitution that Biden Violated in his State of the Union address, I think it’s fair to assume your comments are not really problems at all, so I will wait fir your reply :tu:

10 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Except I think we should finish the job our founders started to “ensure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity”.  That, sir, is the job.  That is the job that is still left undone.  Because it will never be totally finished, ever.  It's through human freedom and liberty and meritocracy that we will cure cancer, we will protect the environment, lower healthcare costs, plus we'll improve the economy and confront our enemies as they arise, because that's what Americans do.  And every time there's a public/private partnership or government gets involved; it destroys the freedom.  It's the people.  Not higher taxes on a few people.  Not through government controls of industries or price controls or wage and job guarantees that enslaved the few for the benefit of the many.  That's not capitalism, sir.  Although you said twice last night, you're a capitalist, I don't think you even know what that means.  It's another “C” word.  Constitution.  Capitalist.  That's socialism.  That's Marx, Mao, Hitler, Putin, and Xi.  They each believed well intended for their people.  But the path to hell, your job, is a public servant.  It's singular and simple to defend and protect the Constitution.  So, in the spirit of bipartisanship, sir, suck it up.  Let's all hold hands.  Let's finish that job.  That's what should have been said last night.”

Your first paragraph above says that our Government needs to finish the job Our Founders Start. Well, I find it interesting you bring this up and I would agree thsts a great place to start. Except, for one SINGLE BLARING FACT who here on this forum is capable of determining EXACTLY what the founders intended. If the Our Founding Fathers were brought forward in Time today, I believe that would not be able concieve.

Please break this down into small digestible pieces, I will wait for your reply!:tu:

10 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

 

 

 

Well thanks for your rant and completely useless drivel, now if you wish to change how you comments are viewed offer a solution to the problems facing our Nation. I am certain that your comments will be far more excepted if you offer solutions that are workable, but to pontificate and only to offer your opinion is ridiculous / laughable at best and very sad at worst!:no:

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4 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

The second amendment is only under attack because there are so many guns in the USA that actual law enforcement is having a huge problem keeping up.  And who are these families defending themselves from?  Their kid creeping in a window at 2am is the usual answer ! Ker-BLOOIE !  "Sorry Josie-May, you should'na snuck out to **** about and now you're dead 'cause yer dad though you was a burglar".  The USA's rate of gun violence suggests that the real reason people want guns is so they have the option to commit violent crimes.  I personally own about 20 firearms of various calibers btw, any I enjoy abusing the system by purchasing the most horribly lethal guns I can, because rorts are funny.  How I wept when they banned my kevlar vest-destroying rhino rounds.  No more slaughtering police at a whim for me I guess, oh noes, there goes my "suicide by cop shoot out euthanasia" plan if I get a terminal disease<_<.  If I can't mow down the entire Massachusetts State Police with my arsenal I won't get a high score as a mass shooter and I won't even make the national news (this is me having a sick sense of humor btw, not my true intent).

As to radical environmentalism... Well what about moderate environmentalism then?  The fact is, pollution is a huge and growing problem that is already causing 100 year weather events to occur every couple of years and 1000 year weather events to occur every decade.  Climate Change is a real thing, and try as you might to pretend that it isn't happening, it remains a serious global problem.  It won't kill our energy industry to develop cleaner forms of power production, and it hasn't.   This is just a corporate whine campaign that is essentially: "Don't make us spend money on not polluting and cleaning up our industry, we won't make as many billions of dollars. Boo Hoo :no:." 

As to healthcare... FFS, every other country in the Developed World has more accessible Health Cover than the USA.  Most countries developed countries have free healthcare for people below a certain income, and that is a good thing imo.  The notion that this leads to runaway inflation is pure BS, as most of the countries with such programs have healthier economies AND healthier people than the USA.  This isn't even a joke, it's a national tragedy.  Every other country manages to pay for its people to have health cover, why can't the USA?  Simply because the Medical Lobby and the Insurance Lobby are too powerful when they team up, and they are literally letting low income USA die untreated.  This is an appalling situation and it needs to be fixed.  Every other country in the Developed World pities the USA for our ****ty miserable Healthcare.  Now for me it isn't as much of a problem because I am sitting pretty on a pile of filthy lucre, but I am a bleeding heart who doesn't want people doing it tough to suffer as much as they do.  We can do better, but it is cheaper to let people die, so die they do.

As to the notion that the top 1% of the US earners actually pay 40% of tax. Nope.  Not even close.  We 1%ers have ranks of accountants dedicated to minimizing all tax on us.  I often wonder if this should be classified as institutional corruption and if I am being a total orc by minimizing my taxes down to a dime a year.  The fact is, this tax situation is unsustainable for the USA and I feel a bit guilty about my participation in it, but then I do donate to plenty of charities to mitigate that guilt. You worry about "destroying our tax base" RavenHawk, but I don't think you have any idea about what our tax base is or how the wealthy have set in place the means to never pay tax.  The comments you made about this made me laugh pretty hard.

As to the Soviet constitution, lol, if the Communist Party ever obeyed any of its own laws I would be very surprised. Russians are orcs.  Every single one who can get involved in institutional corruption has done so. Rule of Law is for non-totalitarian countries.

Seriously RavenHawk, you are too indoctrinated with Far Right demagoguery.  I don't mind a bit of conservatism, but I loathe fanatics, and this present crop of loons have taken every semblance of respectability out of it and reduced it to real gutter trash BS.  I am sad that the better angels of the GOP like McCain are gone and all we have is NYC gangsters like Trump and con artists like De Santos.  They're unelectable.

 

 

Great post. I disagree with much of it, but at least you talked about the topic. I don’t disagree with all of it, but I think their are better solutions than socialism. 
 

Nearly everyone else, and for some strange reason this happens more and more, are acting like 5th graders. I’m getting ready for work now, but sometime this weekend I’ll give this post a proper response. Looking forward to speaking with you. 

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3 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Nearly everyone else, and for some strange reason this happens more and more, are acting like 5th graders.

That may be because Glenn Beck's content in the OP could have been written by a 5th grader, who watches way too much TV.

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3 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Great post. I disagree with much of it, but at least you talked about the topic. I don’t disagree with all of it, but I think their are better solutions than socialism. 
 

Nearly everyone else, and for some strange reason this happens more and more, are acting like 5th graders. I’m getting ready for work

So you call going to school work, now that’s rich!:lol:

Oh and by the way, don’t forget your Teletubby Lunch Box!:D

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now, but sometime this weekend I’ll give this post a proper response. Looking forward to speaking with you. 

 

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16 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

So no one wants to talk about the actual content? Seems pretty spot on to me. Even if you have out of context quotes from a 3 hour radio show. 

Its just nothing new.

What I thought was effective about Bidens state of the union speech was that it had a lot of specific examples. 

It wasn't just "we did an infrastructure bill" it was our infrastructure bill is building a chip facility in Columbus Ohio and rebuilding the bridge in Kentucky were billions of freight through each year. 

It wasn't just " we are making healthcare cheaper"  it was we made it so medicare can negotiate prescription drug prices and that capped medicare insulin cost at 35 a month.

Not just "we are bringing blue collar jobs back." Its we are requiring all federal funded projects to be made with materials made in the US (I think protectionism is dumb.)

Becks thing seems to be a lot more of just platitudes and generalizations. Of like they are coming for your guns. 

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9 hours ago, Portre said:

The irony is Glenn Beck would have been a Torie fighting against our Founding Fathers.

Only if it paid well.

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12 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

The second amendment is only under attack because there are so many guns in the USA that actual law enforcement is having a huge problem keeping up.  And who are these families defending themselves from?  Their kid creeping in a window at 2am is the usual answer ! Ker-BLOOIE !  "Sorry Josie-May, you should'na snuck out to **** about and now you're dead 'cause yer dad though you was a burglar".  The USA's rate of gun violence suggests that the real reason people want guns is so they have the option to commit violent crimes.  I personally own about 20 firearms of various calibers btw, any I enjoy abusing the system by purchasing the most horribly lethal guns I can, because rorts are funny.  How I wept when they banned my kevlar vest-destroying rhino rounds.  No more slaughtering police at a whim for me I guess, oh noes, there goes my "suicide by cop shoot out euthanasia" plan if I get a terminal disease<_<.  If I can't mow down the entire Massachusetts State Police with my arsenal I won't get a high score as a mass shooter and I won't even make the national news (this is me having a sick sense of humor btw, not my true intent).

 

 

 

To the bolded:

Read through the "When guns saved lives" thread.  

Never even thought about using my guns to commit violent crimes. 

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8 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

I don’t disagree with all of it, but I think their are better solutions than socialism. 

Socialism and do nothing are not the only two options.

Personal responsibility has nothing to do with our tax code.  Our tax code was not carved in stone by a prophet of God. It was written with the help of lobbyists to specifically  favor the elite and large corporations.   

The middle class is slipping down the ladder. If you are old enough, you remember that to support a middle class life style, only your dad worked and your mom stayed at home.  If you have kids, you know they will have a hard time buying a house or starting a family. The average American is losing ground, and  the elites and global corporations are doing better than ever.

Back to personal responsibility:  a young responsible couple will not have a child because they cannot afford it, not because abortion is available.    

Glen Beck is an elitist who has his own interests as his primary concern.   He is trying to convince people in the middle to kick down  at those below them and continue to pass money up the ladder to his level as quickly as they can.

President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

In this instance, it has nothing to do with racism, but the very same principle is true for income and social level. 

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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

In this instance, it has nothing to do with racism, but the very same principle is true for income and social level. 

Isn't it amazing when politicians become transparent and actually tell you what is on their mind? :D This one from President Herbert Hoover is so honest and true;

“The only trouble with capitalism is capitalists. They’re too damned greedy.”

 

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