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17 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Who gives a sheet what Dementia Turnip says? BOM’s not the President. 
Worry about what the President DOES and that is, apparently, snicker when asked if he’s going to help the people of Ohio.

I suspect Trump was snickering.  And he's not the President.

Doug

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2 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

"Tweety birds."  His attitude was that the deaths of a few birds weren't important and he completely neglected any mention of contaminated water and air.  If you're killing "tweety birds" you're poisoning people.  The idiot doesn't seem to have a clue how ecosystems work.

Doug

You do know that he brought lots of water and supplies for them.  In this instance, he showed more with his actions than his words.       

Old man biden was late to the party.

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25 minutes ago, Myles said:

You do know that he brought lots of water and supplies for them.  In this instance, he showed more with his actions than his words.       

Old man biden was late to the party.

At least it was more than a roll of paper towels.  The man is trainable.

Doug

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On 2/15/2023 at 7:10 AM, and-then said:

Anything is possible but the part of this that stands out to me is how long it has been going on and how little coverage it has been given.  

… a lot of Russian infrastructure has been destroyed so I wouldn’t rule out paranoid Putin  as the culprit 

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There are an average of 1700 train derailments across the US every year, between 4 and 5 a day.  An average of 4 people per year lose their life as a result.  Most derailments are not serious, fewer cars involved, rural location, and materials carried make for low risk. Consider that, 4 derailments a day, and that average goes back to 1990.  Every year or two all the conditions line up and it is a bad one.   The justification the railroads use to lobby the government for lax standards is that usually, its not that bad, a derailment can be fixed in a few hours. For most of those 1700 cases, they are probably right.

Covering that many derailments would get boring, news would lose hits.  When a serious derailment gets covered, the fear and suspicion get pumped up to sell news channel hits. People wonder WTH is going on and all of a sudden they think it is America in decline. 

But it is just business as usual for the last 30 years. Like a casino, railroads weigh the odds and they know they will make more money than they ever have to pay out for disasters.

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44 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

… a lot of Russian infrastructure has been destroyed so I wouldn’t rule out paranoid Putin  as the culprit 

Hey yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  So you think Putin convinced his friend the former president to get rid of regulations in exchange for future favors?  Sounds plausible.  Putin calculated what would happen and his friend DJT did not think.:devil:

Still, I bet we did this to ourselves without any help.

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The idea that the government is not doing anything in East Palestine is just partisan politics as usual.

Here is the government's own list. Surely if you're an open minded person you should be able to atleast read what they are doing.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/02/17/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-deploys-additional-federal-resources-to-east-palestine-ohio/

Norkfolk is being made to pay for most of it since they are the ones who caused it. Why should the government bail them out of that responsibility ?

 

Trump going there to pass out goya beans and buy big Macs is such a joke.

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6 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

I suspect Trump was snickering.  And he's not the President.

Doug

No, he’s not. That, Doug, is my damn point. 
Biden, OTOH,  did snicker when asked if he was going to Palestine, Ohio. 

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1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

The idea that the government is not doing anything in East Palestine is just partisan politics as usual.

Here is the government's own list. Surely if you're an open minded person you should be able to atleast read what they are doing.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/02/17/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-deploys-additional-federal-resources-to-east-palestine-ohio/

Norkfolk is being made to pay for most of it since they are the ones who caused it. Why should the government bail them out of that responsibility ?

 

Trump going there to pass out goya beans and buy big Macs is such a joke.

So we have government press releases on the one hand, and locals being interviewed by the press on the other saying “we’re not happy with what we’re seeing and being told”. 
Who to believe …. Who to believe…

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3 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

No, he’s not. That, Doug, is my damn point. 
Biden, OTOH,  did snicker when asked if he was going to Palestine, Ohio. 

Trump was there as a campaign event.

I have been on disaster fires where we had politicians glad-handing and pretending to help.  We had to take several people off the line to babysit them.  They could have done a lot more for the people affected by staying in their offices and using a telephone to get assets rolling toward the fire.  Politicians at disasters are contrary to the public good.

As for Biden snickering:  I haven't heard the story.  Do you have a link?

Doug

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6 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

Trump was there as a campaign event.

I have been on disaster fires where we had politicians glad-handing and pretending to help.  We had to take several people off the line to babysit them.  They could have done a lot more for the people affected by staying in their offices and using a telephone to get assets rolling toward the fire.  Politicians at disasters are contrary to the public good.

As for Biden snickering:  I haven't heard the story.  Do you have a link?

Doug

Not from any source that won’t be waved away as “partisan” or “right leaning”, no. 

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35 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

So we have government press releases on the one hand, and locals being interviewed by the press on the other saying “we’re not happy with what we’re seeing and being told”
Who to believe …. Who to believe…

There isn't really anything that can be done with that statement. 

What do they want? As far as I've seen they don't believe things are safe when they are told. The EPA has been testing individual houses water each day. Not really anything else that can be done if you don't trust the results. 

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24 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Not from any source that won’t be waved away as “partisan” or “right leaning”, no. 

So it's a rumor, then.

Doug

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19 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

So it's a rumor, then.

Doug

No, it’s an (American) ABC interview, where he snickers. The people REPORTING and REPOSTING the interview OTOH are all right leaning, so it’ll be ignored. 

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The initial estimate for the 5-mile area that was affected, was that 3500 animals died.  NOW they are saying 45,700 :no:

 

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2 hours ago, and-then said:

The initial estimate for the 5-mile area that was affected, was that 3500 animals died.  NOW they are saying 45,700 :no:

 

According to a Youtube video, or is there another source?  If the threat was so real that they had a mandatory evacuation of residence, I would say the 45,000 number is low anyway, as animals don't evacuate.  So, what is the point here?  Did the animals die from the initial burnoff in which humans were told to go away, or the after effects? 

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On 2/24/2023 at 3:52 PM, Tatetopa said:

We are talking about a $55 billion dollar company. They seem to be doing OK.  If this clean up cost $100 million, it would impact their quarterly earnings of $958 million by 11%

Good.  They need to pay for their mistakes.  The mitigation could take years and they'll eventually be hit with massive lawsuits as well.  I saw a segment on Saager and Krystal today that outed the EPA for allowing NSR to handle the inspections and have been given a clean bill.  Imagine that.  Removing all of that contaminated soil will be quite a task but it will be nothing like trying to clean up downstream in the creeks and rivers.  Basically, Norfolk Southern nuked an American town.  It might become another Love Canal.  

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On 2/23/2023 at 3:58 PM, Bed of chaos said:

I'm curious about this. The property value in surrounding area.  I wouldn't doubt some residents want to leave & get horrible low ball offers on property.

I don't know what % the prices would fall but it's just common sense that people are not going to spend a lot to buy or build a home in a town sitting next to railroad tracks, with lingering questions about the extent of the pollution and its effects on health.

About 10 miles from my home there is a bay that separates a small Alabama community from a small community in Florida.  The bay is surrounded by expensive homes that became nearly worthless after 20 years of a paper mill's effluent being discharged into it.  Those owners can't sell without taking a massive loss so most of them are stuck.  

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I checked the area on zillow last week. Not sure about price drops but it's a very lower middle class area. $150k +/- for most homes and not one for sale.

Edit: I thought the app was acting funny before. Checked again, quite a few for sale and for much less.

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6 minutes ago, Zebra3 said:

There is something going on- you are becoming aware that train derailments are a relatively common occurance:There are about three train derailments per day. They usually aren't disasters : NPR

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On 2/28/2023 at 5:27 PM, F3SS said:

I checked the area on zillow last week. Not sure about price drops but it's a very lower middle class area. $150k +/- for most homes and not one for sale.

Edit: I thought the app was acting funny before. Checked again, quite a few for sale and for much less.

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Finally a chance for Gen Zers to own a home lol

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43 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

There is something going on- you are becoming aware that train derailments are a relatively common occurance:There are about three train derailments per day. They usually aren't disasters : NPR

Usually.

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