preacherman76 Posted February 26 #76 Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, Tatetopa said: More black and white? Most of the people here who support this madness literally see it as Russia bad US and Ukraine good. That is black and white. And it’s BS. And forgive me if I’m incorrect, but I’ve never once heard you say NATO and the US is even in part responsible for this mess. The things you have gone on to say in this post show a clear black and white attitude. 3 hours ago, Tatetopa said: Of course one can point out faults of NATO. Of course one can point out hypocrisy of the US. Some of us have been doing that for 40 years. None of that contradicts the fact that other countries can be villains too. Look at the world away from the black and white paradigm. Of course they can be villains too. That’s the point. This was all a preventable predictable action reaction situation. I never said there is any white in this. Not by a long shot. 3 hours ago, Tatetopa said: China is buying Russian oil. India is buying Russian oil. They are doing it for their own interests. How does that effect the world? Russia sells oil at a bargain rate, India and China fill up their strategic reserves, a benefit for them. If China and India buy a million barrels a day for their needs, that is a million barrels they are not buying on the world market. That affects the price of a barrel of oil You get the cheaper gas you long for. Could have happened, if Biden didn’t then tell Saudi Arabia he was going to put them out of business. Another action reaction situation where of course they instantly jacked their price of oil. Another predictable and completely unnecessary outcome. He, or I should say his handlers want oil to be expensive. Want instability. Want high prices for everything. Want the middle class to die. Every single thing he has done since he’s been in that chair screams it. 3 hours ago, Tatetopa said: China will continue to buy cheap Russian oil as long as they can, they probably hope the Ukrainian war lasts as long as possible. Do they want Russia to win? Doubtful, it offers no benefit to China. Sanctions on Russia do though, a desperate Russia is a benefit to China. An end to the war will also offer opportunities to China, belt and road initiatives could help rebuild Ukraine. You are blinded by a story you want to be true. The CHIPS act did nothing to help China. Pushing infrastructure and American manufacturing does nothing to help China. Stating that the US will support defense of Taiwan does nothing to help China. Moving carrier groups into the area does nothing to help China. The US convincing Japan and the Netherlands to join them in a ban of high end chip manufacturing equipment to China is a blow to China not aid. The US, Japan, and the Netherlands produce 85% of such equipment in the world. At the same time support insanely unfair trade agreements that drain this countries wealth, at larger chunks with every dollar we borrow. Even reversed the little headway Trump made in reversing that. Then sells our reserve oil to China. According to these people most will be dead in 10 years from climate change, then drain our emergency supply lol. Amazing. 3 hours ago, Tatetopa said: But on the other hand, we need China too. We need them as a cheap producer of consumer goods for the US and we want them as a 1.4 billion person consumer market. Somehow we have to keep them in the world in a useful, and non-threatening way. It probably won't help us much if China does collapse. We will see, when we have to face a military of that magnitude just as advanced and just as funded as our own. We don’t need China. We need to gut this government and fractional reserve banking that devalues the dollar to the point manufacturing becomes unaffordable in our own country. 3 hours ago, Tatetopa said: Of course, Hunter has all of those copyrights with China, no wait that is Ivanka. But Joe has a big Chinese bank account and Chinese loans on real estate ventures, no wait that is Donald. Maybe you are afraid that Trump sold out to China so you want to think Biden did it too. If you want to see a real sell out look at Elon Musk. Elon praises the CCP every chance he gets, he lets the CCP spread propaganda on Twitter. He desperately needs them to keep his mega-factory in Shanghai running and Chinese citizens buying his cars, they account for about 1/3 of Tesla production and sales. We are talking about tens of billions of dollars. Imagine what happens to Elon if China nationalizes the Tesla factory or shuts it down and brings out a Chinese Tesla copy they sell for less. He is toast. There is a big difference between doing ligit business, and using family ties for back end corrupt deals that compromise said family member. Especially when said family member is the president of the US and lies about any knowledge of it. 3 hours ago, Tatetopa said: Your assertion about a Ukrainian coup is mostly Russian propaganda feed. A Russian puppet ruled Ukraine before the election of Zelenskyy. The Ukrainian election was about ending corruption, that is exactly how Zelenskyy got elected. He was a comedian, not a politician but he campaigned on ending corruption. Highly processed news is just as bad for your brain as highly processed food is for your body. Come on friend, stray off the path and start reading other sources and other views. Who cares what it was about? Someone could easily make the argument that this country is corrupt to the bone, cause it is, and another country should support a coup to overthrow it. It wasn’t our business, nor was it our problem. In fact whose problem exactly was it? Biden as VP caused corruption in Ukraine to continue. Quid pro quo’ed over billions to have a prosecutor fired who was trying to expose a corrupt oil company. This wasn’t a Russian propaganda feed. It’s a fact we supported the overthrow of a democratically elected government, and installed a puppet. BTW how’d that work out? Zelenskyy has gone full blown dictator. He has removed any semblance of a free society, a free press, or a peaceful transfer of power. Did all that before the first bomb dropped. To just look at the “election” slogans, and ignore everything he’s actually done is another example of why we are in this mess to begin with. Black and white, through the lens of willful ignorance. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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