Most young men are single. Most young women are not.

[Knob Oddy]

6 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

No one is shaming you for your preferences.

You're being shamed for telling others they should have the same preferences as you. And having some kind morality judgment attached to it to boot.

It makes no sense you claiming the victim card when people are reacting to your intolerance.

Please tell me how I am intolerant.

Because i don't screw loose women?

By that logic, its all the female intolerance that's causing incels

 

[spartan max2]

1 minute ago, Knob Oddy said:

I notice you refused to answer if you thought there were any negative concerns to sleeping around

I thought it was a dumb question and then forgot about it.

People are individuals each with their own complexities. I can't make a generalization on it. It depends on the context and motivations behind it. For some people sure. For others no.

Even when research shows a correlation that people who sleep with more partners are less happy. Its only a correlation, which means it dosen't work that way for everyone. And one of the things I looked at had happiness difference at only like 5% which wasent really noteworthy to me.

[spartan max2]

1 minute ago, Knob Oddy said:

Please tell me how I am intolerant.

Because i don't screw loose women?

By that logic, its all the female intolerance that's causing incels

 

You're not tolerant of how most modern woman are. You have some kind of moral high horse feelings about it. 

And then you claim victim when people tell you to stop telling woman what they should do. 

Individual freedom and all that.

[Knob Oddy]

Just now, spartan max2 said:

You're not tolerant of how most modern woman are. You have some kind of moral high horse feelings about it. 

And then you claim victim when people tell you to stop telling woman what they should do. 

Individual freedom and all that.

Where did I say women HAVE to do anything?

I have pointed out what MOST males list as their ideal partner. 

Just as I'd advise any sad incel as to what women prefer. Which is a competent, fit and financially stable man.

And yes, I've been shamed by people on here. "Mail order bride" "living in the past"

I can assure you I am living in the here and now. 

[Knob Oddy]

10 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I thought it was a dumb question and then forgot about it.

People are individuals each with their own complexities. I can't make a generalization on it. It depends on the context and motivations behind it. For some people sure. For others no.

Even when research shows a correlation that people who sleep with more partners are less happy. Its only a correlation, which means it dosen't work that way for everyone. And one of the things I looked at had happiness difference at only like 5% which wasent really noteworthy to me.

Do you think there is a single woman who's life will improve by having multiple sexual partners instead of a loving relationship? 

You seem to be implying that, but as you point out above, it is a direct correlation between a reduction in happiness and throwing it about

Edited March 3, 2023 by Knob Oddy

[+Desertrat56]

6 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

Do you think there is a single woman who's life will improve by having multiple sexual partners instead of a loving relationship? 

You seem to be implying that, but as you point out above, it is a direct correlation between a reduction in happiness and throwing it about

Who says having multiple sexual partners eliminates having a loving relationship?  Your ideas are very narrow and ignorant to what a loving relationship actually is outside of your bizarre old fashioned, misogynist notions.   And you still proclaim a double standard for men and women, focusing on women and what you THINK they want.  And what you want is by no means to be used as a standard of all men.   

[Knob Oddy]

9 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Who says having multiple sexual partners eliminates having a loving relationship?  Your ideas are very narrow and ignorant to what a loving relationship actually is outside of your bizarre old fashioned, misogynist notions.   And you still proclaim a double standard for men and women, focusing on women and what you THINK they want.  And what you want is by no means to be used as a standard of all men.   

Of course there are double standards for men and women. We are not the same.

Do you think the father should have the same abortion rights as a mother? Or once she's pregnant, is it her SOLE choice? What a double standard.

Also, men have a real fear of raising other men's children while thinking the child is theirs. Its such a problem in some western countries that DNA testing of children has been banned.

 

Quote

France bans all non-court ordered paternity tests in a desire to "preserve the peace."

 

It is estimated that up to 10 percent of fathers in America are actually not the father. One man in Florida proved he wasn't the father, but was still ordered to pay child support.

Do you think these men should have had higher standards in their partners to avoid these situations?

Do you think a woman could even understand these fears  considering they will never have to worry about it?

Promiscuity in women is a MAJOR factor in all these negative outcomes for men. And you don't give 2 ****s

Edited March 3, 2023 by Knob Oddy

[spartan max2]

20 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

Do you think there is a single woman who's life will improve by having multiple sexual partners instead of a loving relationship? 

You seem to be implying that, but as you point out above, it is a direct correlation between a reduction in happiness and throwing it about

Why is it an either/or thing to you. That makes no sense lol.

[spartan max2]

58 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

Alot of people telling me I'm living in the past. Yes. We have a few hundred thousand years of evolutionary pressures which have formed our gender roles and our preferences/standards in a partner.

Sexual attraction changes in time place and culture. We only have to look at photographs, paintings, trends, and other culture to see this.

Some things stand the test of time of course like having a symmetrical face and body. 

And changing over time is especially true when it comes to nonphysical qualities. I for example was always less attracted to woman who's main goal in life was to be a stay at home mom. And alot of guys I know are like that. That's my preference. 

However, unlike you I don't go around saying that woman who don't match my preference are some how wrong, and destined and deserving to be less happy or whatever. To each their own. There are plenty of people who will prefer the type of people I don't prefer and I'm sure they are just as happy. And that's completely fine. 

[Knob Oddy]

1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:

Sexual attraction changes in time place and culture. We only have to look at photographs, paintings, trends, and other culture to see this.

Some things stand the test of time of course like having a symmetrical face and body. 

And changing over time is especially true when it comes to nonphysical qualities. I for example was always less attracted to woman who's main goal in life was to be a stay at home mom. And alot of guys I know are like that. That's my preference. 

However, unlike you I don't go around saying that woman who don't match my preference are some how wrong, and destined and deserving to be less happy or whatever. To each their own. There are plenty of people who will prefer the type of people I don't prefer and I'm sure they are just as happy. And that's completely fine. 

Yes. Thats my point. If women want to limit themselves to weak men, they don't have to appeal to high value men. If they want to appeal to high value men, my advice is sound. But you can't put the genie back in the bottle, and most of the females on here are well past their prime, as Don Lemon would say

[Dejarma]

7 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

If women want to limit themselves to weak men,

define a weak man

[XenoFish]

Just remember folks. The Chad's and Stacy's will be old and ugly eventually. It might be a party for a moment, but it all comes to an end one day.

Edited March 3, 2023 by XenoFish

[quiXilver]

So... it seems we could change the title of this thread to 'Knob Oddy displays the remarkable breadth and depth of his ignorance'.

Truly an appalling display.

[openozy]

4 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

Yes, you can raise a child as a single parent, BUT, is it ideal? Does it give the child the best possible chances in life? Statistically, no. 70 percent of prisoners are from single (mother) households

I don't think it's ideal at all but in a lot of cases it's better than the kids living in an unhappy or violent situation. I wonder what the jail statistics are for that?

 

4 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

So, me pointing out that men's ideal partners are loving, young, feminine, supportive and pure

That's a big ask, lol. The truth is while that maybe most guy's fantasy, it's probably not the partner most guys need. I feel most people have too higher an opinion of themselves and need to take a reality check.

[Dejarma]

5 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

Yes, you can raise a child as a single parent, BUT, is it ideal? Does it give the child the best possible chances in life?

hmmm, interesting.. There are places on this planet where 5-year-old little girls are breaking rocks all day to survive.

Parents inject their children's knees with bleach for a better chance of gaining sympathy when begging- the list can go on!

Define ideal?
 

 

[Kenemet]

18 hours ago, pellinore said:

The stats in the OP (percentage of male/females single/married, whatever) may become meaningless in a few years. Now that there is no clear definition of male or female, and some people identify as binary (pronouns:they/them) or "fluid", I can't see how figures can be gathered that have any meaning, and I'm not being facetious. People who conduct surveys don't dig into birth records, they do polls among the current adult population. If a pollster asks "are you in a relationship?" and the respondent answers "yes" or "no", then they are asked what gender they are, they answer "fluid", or "trans" does the pollster classify them as male or female? Surely the only correct way is to accept the gender the person identifies as, but then does that tell us anything useful about the numbers of single men and single women? For example, if someone born a biological man but identifies as a woman, is in a relationship, is she identified as a single man without a partner, or a woman with a partner, or someone in a same-sex relationship? 

I'm not try to be offensive at all, I'm trying to think this through.

 

 

You make a good point -- we need to look at the study to see how it was conducted.

Now... there's a difference between "pollster questions" and "scientist questions."  A scientist would use terms like "female presenting" or "female identifying" or something that indicates it is a chosen social construct rather than a genetic thing (I have no idea, for instance, if I'm XX or XXY or variations of the same.  I'm assuming I'm XX but I could be a chimera or any number of things.

Pollster would simply ask "are you male or female (and occasionally ask if you're "other" or "neither") but wouldn't get to the real meat of the matter.

Also, depending on HOW the audience was selected, answers could be all over the map.  Was it just "people who answer the phone" or "people who answer internet questions" or... any number of things that could bias the answer.

[+Desertrat56]

16 hours ago, Dejarma said:

define a weak man

I am a woman who would consider @Knob Oddy a weak man.

[Kenemet]

17 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

Well, some of use are well read, handsome and sporty. We want the 10s not the 5s

 

So you would pick the pretty woman over a more competent but rather plain woman.

Mmmmkay.  

I remember you saying something about a woman should enhance a man's status, which I thought was rather silly.  My husband's reputation didn't depend on a lovely wife/hostess/whatever - his status was based on his very respectable abilities at work.  That,  to me, is the mark of a real man - his status is based on what he accomplishes and not what he owns.  Status-based-on-ownership seems pretty fragile and easy to overcome.

Come to think of it, I don't know any men (personally) whose status was enhanced by a wife other than, perhaps, my father and my brother.  As Army officers their wives were expected to be professional hostesses (and almost none will have another career unless it's something that can be done remotely.)  Nor do I recall any boss or company owner whose status relied on having a beautiful socialite woman.  Popular preachers apparently need to have a good-looking wife, and I'm sure there's other professions where having an attractive wife (or being able to shake up a famous porn star to walk around with you) is an asset... but I don't think many here have much interest in that sort of thing.

 

 

[Kenemet]

18 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

Yes. Thats my point. If women want to limit themselves to weak men, they don't have to appeal to high value men. If they want to appeal to high value men, my advice is sound. But you can't put the genie back in the bottle, and most of the females on here are well past their prime, as Don Lemon would say

Erm... what makes a "high value man"?

I ask, because your standards seem to be different than mine:  I want a loveable (feminist) geek with a wide variety of interests, well educated and well read.  Money's nice but it's not on the top of my list.

I wonder if I'd value anything in the so-called "high value man".

[+Desertrat56]

18 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

Yes. Thats my point. If women want to limit themselves to weak men, they don't have to appeal to high value men. If they want to appeal to high value men, my advice is sound. But you can't put the genie back in the bottle, and most of the females on here are well past their prime, as Don Lemon would say

Of course you think you are of high value, but I know very few women who would want to appeal to you, which belies the idea that you are "high value", which is a very subjective term, nothing universal about anything you say.

[Dejarma]

4 hours ago, Kenemet said:

I remember you saying something about a woman should enhance a man's status, which I thought was rather silly.  My husband's reputation didn't depend on a lovely wife/hostess/whatever - his status was based on his very respectable abilities at work.  That,  to me, is the mark of a real man

yep, real man- what is that? IN-MY-OPINION a real man shows emotion & can also admit when they are wrong= though one should also say this applies to women as well..

i'll rephrase:

the above should apply to humans in general 

[openozy]

On 3/3/2023 at 11:13 AM, Knob Oddy said:

Because i don't screw loose women?

None of the ladies I've been with were loose  .

[Dejarma]

On 3/3/2023 at 12:09 AM, Knob Oddy said:

I notice you refused to answer if you thought there were any negative concerns to sleeping around

do you sleep around?

[Knob Oddy]

On 3/4/2023 at 11:48 AM, Dejarma said:

yep, real man- what is that? IN-MY-OPINION a real man shows emotion & can also admit when they are wrong= though one should also say this applies to women as well..

i'll rephrase:

the above should apply to humans in general 

So a real man is a women? Or there's no difference between real men and real women? What a mess

 

On 3/4/2023 at 2:19 PM, Dejarma said:

do you sleep around?

I am married. No

[Knob Oddy]

On 3/4/2023 at 1:36 PM, openozy said:

None of the ladies I've been with were loose  .

Hey, this is just bragging..

You're probably the guy who loosens them up.