UK considers leaving the ECHR

[pellinore]

This is less than 3 minutes long, it is worth watching:

 

[Duke Wellington]

9 minutes ago, pellinore said:

This is less than 3 minutes long, it is worth watching:

 

We need to leave it, it gives us more power to deport the people we dont want here.

The kind that are potentially violent and are against our values.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

3 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

We need to leave it, it gives us more power to deport the people we dont want here.

The kind that are potentially violent and are against our values.

Like those grotty Germans nesting in ll your lovely palaces.

[pellinore]

21 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

We need to leave it, it gives us more power to deport the people we dont want here.

The kind that are potentially violent and are against our values.

So we share the same values as Russia and Belarus, the only other European countries outside the ECHR? We don't value the right to life, the right to a fair hearing, the right to respect for private and family life, freedom of expression, freedom of thought, conscience and religion and the protection of property?

Of course we have the right to deport people who are a threat, the same as any other European country.  The Tories want us to leave the ECHR to solve a problem they created, by not replacing the Dublin agreement when we left the EU. The small boat problem is down to Johnson and his half-cooked 'oven ready' deal.

Edited February 23, 2023 by pellinore

[Saru]

2 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

We need to leave it, it gives us more power to deport the people we dont want here.

Just for the record, here are the things guaranteed to UK citizens under the ECHR:

• Article 2: the right to life
• Article 3: the prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
• Article 4: the prohibition of slavery and forced labour
• Article 5: the right to liberty and security
• Article 6: the right to a fair trial
• Article 7: the prohibition of retrospective criminal penalties
• Article 8: the right to private and family life
• Article 9: the freedom of thought, conscience and religion
• Article 10: the freedom of expression
• Article 11: the freedom of assembly and association
• Article 12: the right to marry
• Article 13: the right to an effective national remedy for breach of these rights
• Article 14: the prohibition of discrimination in the protection of these rights

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/human-rights-the-uks-international-human-rights-obligations

Would you really be happy to throw all this away just to help the Tories win a few votes by deporting a handful of immigrants to Rwanda ?

[Essan]

5 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

We need to leave it, it gives us more power to deport the people we dont want here.

The kind that are potentially violent and are against our values.

I don't see how leaving the ECHR will enable us to deport all the Tories, English gammons, whinging Scots and our Norman overlords    

Anyway, maybe we should take issue with the idiots who set up the ECHR in the first place?    Oh, yeah, that would be us .....

[Duke Wellington]

8 hours ago, pellinore said:

So we share the same values as Russia and Belarus, the only other European countries outside the ECHR? We don't value the right to life, the right to a fair hearing, the right to respect for private and family life, freedom of expression, freedom of thought, conscience and religion and the protection of property?

Of course we have the right to deport people who are a threat, the same as any other European country.  The Tories want us to leave the ECHR to solve a problem they created, by not replacing the Dublin agreement when we left the EU. The small boat problem is down to Johnson and his half-cooked 'oven ready' deal.

We have human rights.

The EU does not dictate to us our standards, we are a democracy that set them ourselves. One of the key things that Brits don`t like about the EU is its human rights legislation making it hard to get rid of immigrants who pose a danger to our society.

This is what started the movement off.

[Duke Wellington]

5 hours ago, Saru said:

Just for the record, here are the things guaranteed to UK citizens under the ECHR:

• Article 2: the right to life
• Article 3: the prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
• Article 4: the prohibition of slavery and forced labour
• Article 5: the right to liberty and security
• Article 6: the right to a fair trial
• Article 7: the prohibition of retrospective criminal penalties
• Article 8: the right to private and family life
• Article 9: the freedom of thought, conscience and religion
• Article 10: the freedom of expression
• Article 11: the freedom of assembly and association
• Article 12: the right to marry
• Article 13: the right to an effective national remedy for breach of these rights
• Article 14: the prohibition of discrimination in the protection of these rights

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/human-rights-the-uks-international-human-rights-obligations

Would you really be happy to throw all this away just to help the Tories win a few votes by deporting a handful of immigrants to Rwanda ?

Withdrawing from the EUs legislation on human rights does not leave us with no human rights.

I dont get why people are jumping to the extreme here thinking all rights are to be abandoned. Its the power to alter it ourselves they are trying to get for our country, and there is widespread public support for it. Because, as mentioned, we have struggled getting rid of several people we really dont want here.

[pellinore]

6 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The EU does not dictate to us our standards, we are a democracy that set them ourselves. One of the key things that Brits don`t like about the EU is its human rights legislation making it hard to get rid of immigrants who pose a danger to our society.

This is what started the movement off.

The EU and the ECHR are completely separate and not connected in any way.

What does the ECHR have to do with the European Union?

Nothing. The ECHR was launched by the Council of Europe. The Council of Europe is older than the European Union and not connected to it.

What is the ECHR and why does it matter? - Liberty (libertyhumanrights.org.uk)

Edited February 23, 2023 by pellinore

[Duke Wellington]

Just now, pellinore said:

The EU and the ECHR are completely separate and not connected in anyway.What is the ECHR and why does it matter? - Liberty (libertyhumanrights.org.uk)

I mean the same thing, I just put it all under the EU umbrella.

It is not good democracy to have an external agency dictating laws and standards. We need to be doing this ourselves tailored to our own needs. And our need is to deport people who are a threat without the ECHR rules getting in the way.

[pellinore]

4 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Withdrawing from the EUs legislation on human rights does not leave us with no human rights.

 

You are confused, Cookie. As I posted above:

What does the ECHR have to do with the European Union?

Nothing. The ECHR was launched by the Council of Europe. The Council of Europe is older than the European Union and not connected to it.

[Duke Wellington]

Just now, pellinore said:

You are confused, Cookie. As I posted above:

What does the ECHR have to do with the European Union?

Nothing. The ECHR was launched by the Council of Europe. The Council of Europe is older than the European Union and not connected to it.

Tare it all up, we want full independence!!

[Saru]

3 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Withdrawing from the EUs legislation on human rights does not leave us with no human rights.

It's not a magic ticket to solving immigration either - this is a stunt designed to appease certain politicians and to gain votes, nothing more.

[Duke Wellington]

Just now, Saru said:

It's not a magic ticket to solving immigration either - this is a stunt designed to appease certain politicians and to gain votes, nothing more.

Its not about anti-immigration, its about deporting the kind which would fly planes into buildings or go around mass shooting in a city if given the chance.

[pellinore]

Just now, Cookie Monster said:

Tare it all up, we want full independence!!

We are independent, we have left the EU. We are not subject to EU law anymore. What more international organisations do you want us to leave? If we joined the CPTPP we would be subject to their rules.

 

[Saru]

11 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Its not about anti-immigration, its about deporting the kind which would fly planes into buildings or go around mass shooting in a city if given the chance.

Who would that be, specifically ?

Who would you put aboard a hypothetical deportation flight ?

[Duke Wellington]

7 minutes ago, Saru said:

Who would that be, specifically ?

Who would you put aboard a hypothetical deportation flight ?

Death penalty for those who murder due to being fundies, those fundies who havent murdered deport.

[Ozymandias]

48 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

We have human rights.

The EU does not dictate to us our standards, we are a democracy that set them ourselves. One of the key things that Brits don`t like about the EU is its human rights legislation making it hard to get rid of immigrants who pose a danger to our society.

This is what started the movement off.

I see that ignorant uneducated Brexiteers are making fools of themselves again. The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and the European Court on Human Rights at Strasbourg, France, have nothing whatever to do with the EU.

[Saru]

47 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Death penalty for those who murder due to being fundies, those fundies who havent murdered deport.

You don't think that would lead to discrimination and human rights abuses with people being branded "fundies" and deported without trial or due process ?

Also, state-sponsored executions were abolished in the UK a long time ago.

Is this really the direction you want this country to go in ?

[Duke Wellington]

34 minutes ago, Saru said:

You don't think that would lead to discrimination and human rights abuses with people being branded "fundies" and deported without trial or due process ?

Also, state-sponsored executions were abolished in the UK a long time ago.

Is this really the direction you want this country to go in ?

Please, if the evidence says they did it or that they are fundies then bye bye.

Edited February 23, 2023 by Cookie Monster

[Saru]

11 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Please, if the evidence says they did it or that they are fundies then bye bye.

That's quite disturbing.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

3 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Its not about anti-immigration, its about deporting the kind which would fly planes into buildings or go around mass shooting in a city if given the chance.

What … like the Irish?