Covid 19 Originated from Lab Leak

[+Hammerclaw]

Here we go again, kiddies.

COVID lab leak is a scandal of media and government censorship (nypost.com)

[+and-then]

"For years, the media and government allied to treat anyone raising a lab theory as one of three possibilities: conspiracy theorist or racists or racist conspiracy theorists."

I can't imagine this^ changing in any way.  Remember - we exist in a post-truth, post-factual world now.  The single real problem is that ONLY ONE POLITICAL PARTY'S SUPPORTERS are held liable for breaking laws...

[acidhead]

Trump was right, yet again. 

[acidhead]

Though it does beg the question: What would China have to gain from leaking a disease which affected their own population? Cui bono 

Makes zero sense logically. 

Unless if course, this whole covid debacle, was done in clandestine between multiple intelligence agencies of multiple countries. 

Then it would make perfect logical sense IMO.   

Climate Change policies are the real goal IMO even though the climate change policies have nothing to do with a fear of burning fossil fuels but more to do with the fear of running out of fossil fuels. 

I'll add more context if anybody wants to continue on with this conversation.

[Megaro]

31 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Though it does beg the question: What would China have to gain from leaking a disease which affected their own population? Cui bono 

Makes zero sense logically. 

Unless if course, this whole covid debacle, was done in clandestine between multiple intelligence agencies of multiple countries. 

Then it would make perfect logical sense IMO.   

Climate Change policies are the real goal IMO even though the climate change policies have nothing to do with a fear of burning fossil fuels but more to do with the fear of running out of fossil fuels. 

I'll add more context if anybody wants to continue on with this conversation.

I understand your question why would China do such a thing to its own people.  But China is a communist government and populace.  They view the State as vastly more important than individuals.  The human toll from China’s draconian lockdown policies and changing mandates on the number of births allowed per couple, are only an example or two.   China cannot be understood by a person trying to reason merely through their experiences from living in a Western style democracy.   
 

The historical, murderous purges of Mao or the current political purges from Xi are just a starting point.  
 

I do think your comments about multiple countries and global warming (which some called used to call global cooling in the 70’s, and now rebranded as the unimpeachable climate change) are very important.   I wish our country would be more open to discussing these issues with honesty and a concern for truth over politics.   But …….

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, acidhead said:

Unless if course, this whole covid debacle, was done in clandestine between multiple intelligence agencies of multiple countries. 

First, the CCP is evil and would have no problem with cutting down some of their population in this way.  Second, by passing the wealth around, they knew they could inflict serious economic damage to the west and it wouldn't surprise me if they were willing to do it to try to sink Trump's chances of winning again.  It was their corrupt friends in the DC Uniparty that took care of that aspect of the plan.  

We will never know how it started but anyone who denies that the CCP weaponized it, is lying - to themselves or everyone else.  If it happens again, Beijing should be nuked in a decapitation strike.

[acidhead]

3 minutes ago, and-then said:

First, the CCP is evil and would have no problem with cutting down some of their population in this way.  Second, by passing the wealth around, they knew they could inflict serious economic damage to the west and it wouldn't surprise me if they were willing to do it to try to sink Trump's chances of winning again.  It was their corrupt friends in the DC Uniparty that took care of that aspect of the plan.  

We will never know how it started but anyone who denies that the CCP weaponized it, is lying - to themselves or everyone else.  If it happens again, Beijing should be nuked in a decapitation strike.

China and the western countries were doing the best they ever had economically when covid hit.  It disrupted supply chains that are still recovering today.  

Why would China want to hurt the USA or the West financially when it was the West and the USA that invested in China to begin with to get their country to be basically the manufacturing capital of the world?  

Why would they intentionally do that? 

[+and-then]

 

27 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Why would China want to hurt the USA or the West financially when it was the West and the USA that invested in China to begin with to get their country to be basically the manufacturing capital of the world?  

Trump was causing them lots of headaches and they had already established their markets and had tremendous amounts of leverage based on their existing wealth.  Also, I don't think of the minions who populate the CCP as being particularly brilliant, do you?  EVIL, absolutely... brilliant, not so much.  

Additionally, when that virus was identified and had begun to spread, they immediately began locking down their provinces so that it couldn't spread as rapidly, internally.  This is why there was such a God-awful loss of life when those lockdowns were lifted.  Most Chinese had no immunity at all and the government-produced version of vaccines was next to useless.

I call them out for biowarfare because they knowingly allowed international flights to carry on as usual while simultaneously shutting down such movement internally.

[DieChecker]

Was just reading this. Very interesting. I look forward to what will be the fallout. 

My first question would be why the DOE, and not the CDC??

I also imagine the CCP is going to shat some bricks over this. 

[Edumakated]

3 hours ago, acidhead said:

Though it does beg the question: What would China have to gain from leaking a disease which affected their own population? Cui bono 

Makes zero sense logically. 

Unless if course, this whole covid debacle, was done in clandestine between multiple intelligence agencies of multiple countries. 

Then it would make perfect logical sense IMO.   

Climate Change policies are the real goal IMO even though the climate change policies have nothing to do with a fear of burning fossil fuels but more to do with the fear of running out of fossil fuels. 

I'll add more context if anybody wants to continue on with this conversation.

The leak may not have been intentional.  Would anyone be surprised at lax security and protocols in China?   

It was pretty clear from Day 1 that this was a lab leak and government powers that be knew it.   This explains why there was such a push for lockdowns, vaccine mandates, and censorship.  I think they knew a man made virus was unleashed and they had no idea as to how it might spread or the potential casualty rate.  Much of the response imho was designed to protect the population from an unknown situation, but at the same time cover up any complicity our own government may have had in the incident.

If this was a lab leak then it is basically the worse man-made disaster ever.  I doubt anyone will be held accountable.

[acidhead]

  

"He did it via a pass-through organization (EcoHealth)"  -Elon Musk

 

[psyche101]

Where's the report?

I followed the links in the article and it only seems to go back to the GOP report stating no host animal has been found.

This isn't news if that's it. Or new, or anything worthwhile. 

Is there something else or is that it? 

[Ell]

4 hours ago, and-then said:

Beijing should be nuked in a decapitation strike.

No.

[Ell]

4 hours ago, acidhead said:

Why would they intentionally do that? 

1. To advance the communist agenda.

2. As a trade off. As a gesture of good will.

[itsnotoutthere]

WASHINGTON—The U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak, according to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress.

The shift by the Energy Department, which previously was undecided on how the virus emerged, is noted in an update to a 2021 document by Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines’s office.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

[+Liquid Gardens]

“The Energy Department made its judgment with “low confidence,” according to people who have read the classified report.”

[Still Waters]

2 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

Your link is behind a paywall.

Here's another source.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/26/covid-virus-likely-laboratory-leak-us-energy-department

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The conclusion from the energy department – which oversees a network of 17 US laboratories, including areas of advanced biology – would be significant despite the fact that, as the report said, the agency made its updated judgment with “low confidence”.

 

[spartan max2]

10 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Was just reading this. Very interesting. I look forward to what will be the fallout. 

My first question would be why the DOE, and not the CDC??

I also imagine the CCP is going to shat some bricks over this. 

I had that same question. And what I found was that the department of energy is in charge of lab security or something weird. So they looked at it from that angel. This makes the department of energy and the FBI both claiming lab leak 

 

Conveniently from still waters source.

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The conclusion from the energy department – which oversees a network of 17 US laboratories, including areas of advanced biology – would be significant despite the fact that, as the report said, the agency made its updated judgment with “low confidence”.

 

Edited February 27 by spartan max2

[Still Waters]

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Intelligence agencies can make assessments with either low, medium or high confidence. A low confidence assessment generally means that the information obtained is not reliable enough or is too fragmented to make a more definitive analytic judgment or that there is not enough information available to draw a more robust conclusion.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html

[itsnotoutthere]

So in the space of six months we've gone from  ...."Lab leak NOT a plausible hypothesis" 

 

To..."updated judgment with “low confidence”.

Ah well lets wait and see what they're saying in 12 months time. The US authorities will probably change their minds when China starts supplying Russia with missiles.

[spartan max2]

22 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

So in the space of six months we've gone from  ...."Lab leak NOT a plausible hypothesis" 

You understand that these are seperate departments and groups right?

Its actually not some monolithic deep state entity.

[zep73]

1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

So in the space of six months we've gone from  ...."Lab leak NOT a plausible hypothesis" 

To..."updated judgment with “low confidence”.

Ah well lets wait and see what they're saying in 12 months time. The US authorities will probably change their minds when China starts supplying Russia with missiles.

This is speculation based on an unknown report by spies, with no specialist knowledge about the subject, versus a thorough investigation by real specialists, into the early patterns of the outbreak.

How can you dismiss the latter so easily? Are you that desperate to make it a conspiracy? I know the news are, but we, the people, should be smarter than that.

Unless it's a smoking gun, ignore it. That's the clever thing to do.

[itsnotoutthere]

 

[zep73]

19 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

 

mazemoore?

Who the hell is that bullsh!tter, and why do you trust him?

[spartan max2]

I for one think it's pretty logical that the department who is focused on lab security would see it through more of a lab leak lense (aka lab security problem).