Democrats plot effort to counter Tucker Carlson on Jan. 6 narrative

[Agent0range]

6 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

 

 

 

 

How about you tell us what Republican Congressman are saying about the segment?

[Agent0range]

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“It was a mistake, in my view, for Fox News to depict this in a way that’s completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here in the Capitol thinks,” McConnell told reporters.

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Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), once a vocal supporter of former president Donald Trump who has consistently denounced the attack, was blunt in his assessment of Carlson’s narrative: “To somehow put (Jan. 6) in the same category as a permitted peaceful protest is just a lie.”

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“I can’t forecast what Speaker McCarthy was thinking about but if you’re going to give footage, give it to all the networks, not just one,” said Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who voted to convict Trump in the 2021 impeachment trial that stemmed from Jan. 6. “I think it’s a very dangerous thing to do to suggest that attacking the Capitol of the United States is in any way acceptable and is anything other than a serious crime against democracy and against our country.”

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Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) agreed that a wide distribution of the video would have been better and echoed his colleagues, saying: “I was there on Jan. 6. I saw what happened. It clearly was violent. It was an insurrection.”

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“The most disturbing accusation from last night was that our late friend and colleague Brian D. Sicknick’s death had nothing to do with his heroic actions on Jan. 6,” Manger wrote. “The Department maintains, as anyone with common sense would, that had Officer Sicknick not fought valiantly for hours on the day he was violently assaulted, Officer Sicknick would not have died the next day.”

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“I was there Jan. 6. It was not peaceful, it was an abomination,” Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.), who did not watch the Carlson show, told reporters Tuesday. “And there’s no way to pretty it up.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/07/tucker-carlson-jan-6-senate-republicans/

But, oh, the Democrats are freaking out big time that a man that was proven a liar in his reporting in a court of law is cherry picking from 40,000 hours of video that only he has access to.  It's actually quite disturbing that you don't object to him being the only one with access.

 

[el midgetron]

Hey thanks @AgentOrange. Usually when you ask for something it’s like all of your fingers are broken. Glad to see you can find your own way around the internet. 
 

What you are looking at is diversity of thought. You don’t recognize it for a reason, 

Edited March 8, 2023 by el midgetron

[acidhead]

21 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

How about you tell us what Republican Congressman are saying about the segment?

Well, if you insist! 

 

Edited March 8, 2023 by acidhead

[pbarosso]

22 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

That is almost funny and it is projection.   But no matter, here is how you can right the wrong and end the lies.  Make those 40,000 hours public and accessible to all.  Let every citizen look at the footage and make up their own minds. Do you really need Tucker to tell you what to think?  Lets have a democracy here and not some corporate autocratic spin.  I know you are not fond of democracies, but really, your leader is now stealing something from the 1950's communist Russia and China playbooks.  Building planned cities in the middle of nowhere and paying people to make babies in the back seats of their flying cars, could be Xi or Putin spouting that baloney.  

I'll chime in. I agree that the whole thing needs to be made public. the fact that it isnt suggests they don't trust us. Why not trust the public? the problem with your idea of democracy is this: have you not seen who votes? do you honestly think half of the people have the intellectual capacity to decide what they are seeing when they cant even think their way outside of a room with 3 walls? the theory of a true democracy is just not very realistic. that's why we don't have one here. NO! no one needs Tucker to tell anyone how to think, its pretty obvious that those arguing on this forum have seen BOTH sides for SOME TIME....which means that they probably formed an opinion well before TUCKER had his paws on this video. furthermore, implying that anyone would need "Tucker" also extends to mean that people need rachel maddow or oberman to tell them how to think.

I think though that you'd agree that we should also NOT trust or take points from politicians EITHER. and Youd probably agree that this whole 5 year span of time has taught ALOT of people to be skeptical, whether it be anything surrounding COVID to race riots that one summer to donald trump let alone the media. all the networks and "news" headlines run with language like "fox news lies...etc..." and no one suspects that "news" companies are competing with eachother? as a life long conservative i have some pretty good reasons why FOX even exists.

[el midgetron]

10 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

It's actuallyquite disturbing that you don't object to him being the only one with access.

I agree. Give the footage to the View also.

I have a feeling we’ve already seen everything you would like us to…..

[el midgetron]

 

 

 

 

[+and-then]

3 hours ago, Gromdor said:

His cause of death has been common knowledge now and the video doesn't show anything really other than he was alive before he was dead.

Yes, and NO ONE has stated that his interactions that day CAUSED HIS DEATH.

[acidhead]

They are mad at Tucker for showing the footage but not mad at the committee for hiding it. 

They got mad at Assange for showing Clinton's crimes but not mad at her for doing them.

[el midgetron]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[acidhead]

Ohhhh Nancy, Nancy Nancy Nancy 

 

 

[MGB]

So, a crowd of thousands gather behind the barriers set up and then there is a fight with Police that are stationed to defend these barriers. (Plenty of camera footage to back this up)

When the barriers are breached over one thousand people falsely believe it is O.K. to enter the Capital and one thousand have been arrested and charged. (Plenty of camera footage to back this up)

Where is any false narrative towards these trespassers? 

And if you were a Police Officer, would you relent once the breach happened and show the trespassers around or continue to fight risking your life? They were greatly outnumbered that day.

[RavenHawk]

3 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

That is almost funny and it is projection.  

It’s called observation.

 

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But no matter, here is how you can right the wrong and end the lies. 

To do that you need to root out the corruption in Washington.  You do that with a national revival, or a national divorce/parallel economy, or a civil war.  There aren’t that many choices.  A national revival is preferable, but that will require the nation returning to the Constitution as written and returning to GOD.  I don’t see that happening any time soon.

 

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Make those 40,000 hours public and accessible to all. 

I couldn’t agree more and they probably will be.  Like most things, it’ll take time.  Tucker just got the exclusive.  That’s what Taibbi did with the Twitter files.  What Divine did with the Hunter Laptop.

 

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Let every citizen look at the footage and make up their own minds.

Ideally, that is what you want, however, most people don’t have the temperament to waste their time on watching all 40,000 hours.  It took Tucker’s team a week to go through it.  Most people want someone they trust to boil it down and explain why?  When one domino falls, they all fall.

 

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Do you really need Tucker to tell you what to think? 

No, I don’t and he’s not.  But what he is doing is using the evidence of the videos to debunk the lies of the Left.  There is no spin here.  Except for what the Left has been feeding the American public about Jan 6.  Why do you think the Left is so panicked?  They got their noses rubbed into it again.

 

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Lets have a democracy here and not some corporate autocratic spin. 

Of course.  We need to break up the monopolies.  Here, we need to return to the free market and the Invisible Hand.

 

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I know you are not fond of democracies,

That’s true.  Because we are not a democracy.  We are a Constitutional Republic.  There is a gulf of difference between the two.  But democracy has become a catch-all phrase to lump together the “Western Democracies”.  A democracy is corrupt and that is why we see the level of corruption in this nation, because the government is trying to run as a democracy and not a Connotational (Representative) Republic.  This is something that started with Wilson and now we have a weaponized government focused against the American people.  As long as you aid and abet the Left, they will continue to drag this country down.  And I include the Establishment/Rino Right to be with the Left.

 

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but really, your leader is now stealing something from the 1950's communist Russia and China playbooks.  Building planned cities in the middle of nowhere and paying people to make babies in the back seats of their flying cars, could be Xi or Putin spouting that baloney.  

That’s more bunk.  That’s not what he said.  He’s basically taking his Economic Zones and putting it on steroids.  An ideal community that is ruled by the Constitution and is prosperous, free of the corruption.  Someplace where the American dream is alive and well.  Government will be minimal and taxes/regulations low.  This is no “15-minute city”.  That is just more TDS.  Do you know of another incentive to increase the population?  That is not just or only a socialist concept.  But as this model becomes successful, it would spread to existing cities.  Children will once again love their country.  As corny as his proposal sounds, there is method in his madness.  And it can only benefit us, if we can keep it.  But the Left has already started poisoning the concept (or at least trying).

[Gromdor]

8 hours ago, and-then said:

Yes, and NO ONE has stated that his interactions that day CAUSED HIS DEATH.

Except his family, the medical examiner, and the capital police......

He died from a stroke, caused by two blood clots, that happened after a beating on Jan. 6.......

[Gromdor]

Saw this video and had to share: 

 

[el midgetron]

Let’s be honest. It was worse than the Civil War.

 

 

 

 

[odas]

Not sure why the big stink about the Fuc ahh Tucker edited footage?

We all saw it live. We all saw the insurection by the far right trumpists.

Tucker can post and edit whatever he wants. And those who argue on his behalf can argue, whine, cry...whatever and for how long they want. The live stream told the truth. 

[Hawken]

People should hear both sides of the story to draw informed conclusions. Suppressing 1 side means there's something to hide.

[Gromdor]

5 minutes ago, Hawken said:

People should hear both sides of the story to draw informed conclusions. Suppressing 1 side means there's something to hide.

Yeah!  That's why we should release the 40,000hrs of footage to all media outlets instead of just Tucker Carlson.

[RavenHawk]

4 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Except his family, the medical examiner, and the capital police......

He died from a stroke, caused by two blood clots, that happened after a beating on Jan. 6.......

Well, that’s not the full truth is it?  Of course the Capital Police would say he (Brian Sicknick) died in the line of duty, so that his widow can get his pension.  As admirable as that is, it’s not the full truth.  The Medical Examiner stated that he did not die from blunt force trauma.  Can you even list the names of those that “died from the insurrection” on Jan 6?  Let’s look at the civilians that died.  Kevin Greeson and Benjamin Phillips died out on the street from heart attacks.  The excitement was just too much for them, and they were caught in a desert of humanity that was not conducive for first responders to save their lives.  Rosanne Boyland died from a medical event.  It's still not clear if she died from an overdose of drugs she was taking for a condition and/or she was trampled by the crowd due to CS gas being released??  When you have such large crowds (hundreds of thousands), you are going to see a few deaths.  That’s just statistics.  And finally, Ashli Babbitt *WAS* murdered by the Capital Police.  In one clip that I saw and haven’t seen since, it looked like Ashli was trying to stop some of the protesters from breaking through.  Being diminutive, it almost looks like she was trying to elevate herself on the window to address the crowd.  What she would have said, no one knows but being a vet and patriot (defending the Capital was part of her duty too), would probably have tried to divert the crowd away.  But I guess there is still the possibility that Babbitt was a colleague of Epps??  But that seems unlikely.

 

None of the five officers that died, died on scene and therefore could not have died in the line of duty.  In fact, the other four died by suicide.  Howard Liebengood, Jeffrey Smith, Kyle DeFreytag, and Gunther Hashida all killed themselves.  And I think that DeFreytag was never involved with the crowd.  We don’t know the motive for the suicides.  Was it due to the events on Jan 6?  Or something else?  First responders have a higher rate of suicides than the civilian.  Which side did these officers sympathize with?  Whatever these officers ultimately died from would have raised its head on the next emergency.

 

[spartan max2]

21 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

And finally, Ashli Babbitt *WAS* murdered by the Capital Police.  In one clip that I saw and haven’t seen since, it looked like Ashli was trying to stop some of the protesters from breaking through.  Being diminutive, it almost looks like she was trying to elevate herself on the window to address the crowd.  What she would have said, no one knows but being a vet and patriot (defending the Capital was part of her duty too), would probably have tried to divert the crowd away.  But I guess there is still the possibility that Babbitt was a colleague of Epps??  But that seems unlikely.

You're talking about the lady who broke and tried to climb through the window that the secret service was behind with guns who had representatives with them? 

Man, she deserved to be shot. 

Why you feel the need to not only defend Jan 6 but defend her is beyond me.You act like you don't support that day, but then at every moment defend it. 

edit: apparently not secret service, but capital police.

Edited March 8, 2023 by spartan max2

[Michelle]

25 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Man, she deserved to be shot. 

So now you approve of cops being the judge, jury and executioner, shooting an unarmed suspect that was no danger to them. Or is it because she isn't a "person of color" which a supposedly the only people cops unjustly kill?

[Tatetopa]

I can't top Tucker Carlson for a memorable quote.

Later, in the same conversation, Carlson texted that the prior four years under Trump had been a complete **** show, but that he and (presumably) the rest of the gang at Fox were “all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest. But come on. There isn’t really an upside tor Trump.”

[Gromdor]

38 minutes ago, Michelle said:

So now you approve of cops being the judge, jury and executioner, shooting an unarmed suspect that was no danger to them. Or is it because she isn't a "person of color" which a supposedly the only people cops unjustly kill?

You realize the cops had radios and heard the screams and violence happening to their fellow cops as this "unarmed suspect that was no danger to them" was smashing the glass in front of a mob to peacefully hug them.

[spartan max2]

43 minutes ago, Michelle said:

So now you approve of cops being the judge, jury and executioner, shooting an unarmed suspect that was no danger to them. Or is it because she isn't a "person of color" which a supposedly the only people cops unjustly kill?

I approve of police following the law. Which is what the court ruled happened in this case. 

The warning was pretty clear. You climb through a broken window at a ton of people with guns pointed at you who warned they would shoot and you get what you get. The lady was there to throw my vote out, so no I don't care at all that she died.

No one forced her to climb through a broken window with guns pointing at her. 

Individual responsibility dosen't matter when it comes to raiding the capital I guess.

Edited March 8, 2023 by spartan max2