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Democrats plot effort to counter Tucker Carlson on Jan. 6 narrative


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3 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

You realize the cops had radios and heard the screams and violence happening to their fellow cops as this "unarmed suspect that was no danger to them" was smashing the glass in front of a mob to peacefully hug them.

Lets see how far gone you are.

Was the "Q Anon Sharman" acting violently to police and was a clear and present danger?

If so, why did 9 police officers in arms reach of him do nothing? If so, why is there a video of the "Sharman" praising police for escorting them into the building?

If so, where is the evidence? The jan 6th committee? Not on film at least

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3 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

Lets see how far gone you are.

Was the "Q Anon Sharman" acting violently to police and was a clear and present danger?

If so, why did 9 police officers in arms reach of him do nothing? If so, why is there a video of the "Sharman" praising police for escorting them into the building?

If so, where is the evidence? The jan 6th committee? Not on film at least

You realize the shaman was not the only civilian there. Right? 

Over 150 police had injuries from physical altercations that day. Alot of different police responses inconsistent across the board. Alot of police chose de-escalation over a blood bath.

Also. Was shamon man sentenced to 4 years in prison for being violent or for other crimes? 

Hint: it was for other crimes.

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2 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

Lets see how far gone you are.

Was the "Q Anon Sharman" acting violently to police and was a clear and present danger?

If so, why did 9 police officers in arms reach of him do nothing? If so, why is there a video of the "Sharman" praising police for escorting them into the building?

If so, where is the evidence? The jan 6th committee? Not on film at least

Sorry to break it to you, but he was never convicted of acting violent to police.

Thinking that he was instead of the crime that he went to jail from does show why you can't understand why the video is irrelevant.

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14 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I approve of police following the law. Which is what the court ruled happened in this case. 

That isn't the law. The law is that you cannot shoot unless your life is in imminent danger. They were clearly not. I guess it's time to declare open season on those flash mobs raiding stores too.

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13 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Sorry to break it to you, but he was never convicted of acting violent to police.

Thinking that he was instead of the crime that he went to jail from does show why you can't understand why the video is irrelevant.

Ok, lets follow this through. What was he convicted of?

How does that tally with the video evidence of police helping him?

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3 minutes ago, Michelle said:

That isn't the law. The law is that you cannot shoot unless your life is in imminent danger. They were clearly not. I guess it's time to declare open season on those flash mobs raiding stores too.

The court did not agree with your interpretation of events or the law apparently.

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2 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

Ok, lets follow this through. What was he convicted of?

How does that tally with the video evidence of police helping him?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/jan-6-rioter-known-as-qanon-shaman-sentenced-to-41-months

 

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Just now, Knob Oddy said:

Ok, lets follow this through. What was he convicted of?

How does that tally with the video evidence of police helping him?

Let me answer you with this video: 

This video isn't fake btw.  It's a product of selective editing.  Just like what you are trying to use for whatever it is you are trying to prove right now.

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1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:
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Though he isn’t accused of violence, prosecutors say Chansley, of Arizona, was the “public face of the Capitol riot” who went into the attack with a weapon, ignored repeated police orders to leave the building and gloated about his actions in the days immediately after the attack.

Where is the video evidence that he ignored repeated police orders to leave? Every moment he was in the capital building was captured on video. His interactions with police were respectful, so much so that there is a video of him praising the police for their actions in helping him that day

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6 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

Where is the video evidence that he ignored repeated police orders to leave? Every moment he was in the capital building was captured on video. His interactions with police were respectful, so much so that there is a video of him praising the police for their actions in helping him that day

He wasent charged with violence. And I never said he was.

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Chansley, who pleaded guilty to a felony charge of obstructing an official proceeding, was among the first rioters to enter the building. He has acknowledged using a bullhorn to rile up the mob, offering thanks in a prayer while in the Senate for having the chance to get rid of traitors and scratching out a threatening note to Vice President Mike Pence saying, “It’s Only A Matter of Time. Justice Is Coming!”

As for video proof of anything, you'd have to ask the jury or judge. I see no reason Tucker Carlson would release footage that dosen't support his narrative. 

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6 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

Where is the video evidence that he ignored repeated police orders to leave? Every moment he was in the capital building was captured on video. His interactions with police were respectful, so much so that there is a video of him praising the police for their actions in helping him that day

Where indeed.  Tucker Carlson definitely didn't show it, yet somehow it ended up as evidence in court.  It's weird, it's like someone is only showing you want they want you to see to manipulate you.

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Here is a link to the 2020 court case against Tucker: Federal judge rules that Fox News host Tucker Carlson's viewers don't expect him to tell facts (yahoo.com)

 Fox persuasively argues . . . that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer "arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism" about the statements he makes. 

That's from the FOX lawyers in court.  Roughly translated it is only unreasonable (stupid) people believe him.

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5 hours ago, odas said:

Not sure why the big stink about the Fuc ahh Tucker edited footage?

There’s only one reason why the Left is raising a big stink.  Their lie has been found out and they are trying to do damage control.  So it’s ok that the Left can edit the footage to spin their narrative and anyone else can’t?  Do you reject the validity of the footage?  Tucker did more of an unedit.  He just provided context behind the selective lies of the Left.  And the Left are throwing tantrums.

 

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We all saw it live. We all saw the insurrection by the far right trumpists.

Yes, we all saw it live.  What we saw and what the Left/MSM said it was, was not jiving.  And those with impressionable minds believed what the Left and MSM fed them.  You see, a characteristic of an insurrection are armed combatants.  There were none.  If it was an insurrection, it would have been organized.  There would have been other targets.  If you wanted to take Congressmen, the goal would be to take the tunnels under the Capital.  It was none of that.  It was just another riot like the hundreds we saw the year before (and no one was punished for).  But that is a dead giveaway as to the true culprits.  It had Antifa’s signature all over it.  The crowd had identified several as ‘Antifa’ or ‘fed’.  The last poll I saw has 61% of those polled believe that the FBI was involved and operating within the crowd.  That’s not to say that there were no Trump supporters involved (there were) but the FBI and Antifa understood the dynamics of large crowds and how easy it is to instigate something.

 

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Tucker can post and edit whatever he wants.

Just as the Left has done.  But Tucker didn’t need to edit, just provide the full clip without spin.  The difference now, is that we have access to the videos.  All the Left has is to cry about how Tucker is a Nazi and threatens our democracy, and everybody doesn’t have a copy of the videos, yet.  The Left doesn’t need to disseminated the video; they already have it.  They don’t want the general public to gain access because the people will see the lie.  I think they already do.  But this is the only card, the Left has left to play.

 

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And those who argue on his behalf can argue, whine, cry...whatever and for how long they want. The live stream told the truth. 

We don’t have to argue and whine.  The video speaks for itself.  Are you saying that the video is a fake?  More Russian disinformation?  It is the Left that is threatened and crying that their little secret lie has been found out.  I think everybody knew the lie anyway, but now it has been confirmed.

 

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2 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

There’s only one reason why the Left is raising a big stink.  Their lie has been found out and they are trying to do damage control.  So it’s ok that the Left can edit the footage to spin their narrative and anyone else can’t?  Do you reject the validity of the footage?  Tucker did more of an unedit.  He just provided context behind the selective lies of the Left.  And the Left are throwing tantrums.

 

 

 

Yes, we all saw it live.  What we saw and what the Left/MSM said it was, was not jiving.  And those with impressionable minds believed what the Left and MSM fed them.  You see, a characteristic of an insurrection are armed combatants.  There were none.  If it was an insurrection, it would have been organized.  There would have been other targets.  If you wanted to take Congressmen, the goal would be to take the tunnels under the Capital.  It was none of that.  It was just another riot like the hundreds we saw the year before (and no one was punished for).  But that is a dead giveaway as to the true culprits.  It had Antifa’s signature all over it.  The crowd had identified several as ‘Antifa’ or ‘fed’.  The last poll I saw has 61% of those polled believe that the FBI was involved and operating within the crowd.  That’s not to say that there were no Trump supporters involved (there were) but the FBI and Antifa understood the dynamics of large crowds and how easy it is to instigate something.

 

 

 

Just as the Left has done.  But Tucker didn’t need to edit, just provide the full clip without spin.  The difference now, is that we have access to the videos.  All the Left has is to cry about how Tucker is a Nazi and threatens our democracy, and everybody doesn’t have a copy of the videos, yet.  The Left doesn’t need to disseminated the video; they already have it.  They don’t want the general public to gain access because the people will see the lie.  I think they already do.  But this is the only card, the Left has left to play.

 

 

 

We don’t have to argue and whine.  The video speaks for itself.  Are you saying that the video is a fake?  More Russian disinformation?  It is the Left that is threatened and crying that their little secret lie has been found out.  I think everybody knew the lie anyway, but now it has been confirmed.

 

 

 

Do you disagree that Jan 6th goal was to stop the vote from being certified. Aka to stop the transfer of power?

Or what do you believe their goal was. 

Sure there was no bloodbath violent coup. But that's not what I'm angry at them for 

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2 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

You're talking about the lady who broke and tried to climb through the window that the secret service was behind with guns who had representatives with them?

Don’t know if she broke it.  All I’ve seen is that she pushed on an already broken window.  At some point later, it appears to have fallen out.  No one knows if she was trying to crawl through or stand up on the ledge, or what??  We’ll never know.  You do realize that there were cops on the outside?  They could have lit up everyone in that stairwell.  They kept a cool head.

 

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Man, she deserved to be shot. 

No, she didn’t deserve to be murdered.

 

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Why you feel the need to not only defend Jan 6 but defend her is beyond me.You act like you don’t support that day, but then at every moment defend it. 

I don’t defend Jan 6.  But I also don’t support the lies and deception.  I defend her individual right to not be killed.  I merely state the obvious.  There was *NO* insurrection.  That was the Left’s big lie.  Riot yes, and those guilty should be punished, not made political prisoners.  That happens in third-world banana republics.  The crimes committed were vandalism and trespassing (4th degree misdemeanors).  No one to date has been charged with insurrection.  The ones that should be charged with insurrection are those Antifa that the FBI is protecting that remain at large.

 

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You realize that there have already been multiple convictions of sedition around Jan.6..... 

Far-right Oath Keepers founder convicted of sedition (yahoo.com)

Four More Oath Keepers Members Convicted of Sedition in Second Trial - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

The Proud Boys are in court right now and want to subpoena Trump as a witness because their defense is saying they did it under his orders.....

Lawyers for Proud Boys member take steps to subpoena former President Trump in seditious conspiracy trial | CNN Politics

All this because of Trump's buddy Roger Stone (again).  He was the link between Trump and Wikileaks/the Russians during the Mueller investigation that they couldn't get to cooperate and now he is the link between the Oath Keepers/Proud Boys and Trump regarding Jan. 6.

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17 hours ago, MGB said:

So, a crowd of thousands gather behind the barriers set up and then there is a fight with Police that are stationed to defend these barriers. (Plenty of camera footage to back this up)

When the barriers are breached over one thousand people falsely believe it is O.K. to enter the Capital and one thousand have been arrested and charged. (Plenty of camera footage to back this up)

Where is any false narrative towards these trespassers? 

And if you were a Police Officer, would you relent once the breach happened and show the trespassers around or continue to fight risking your life? They were greatly outnumbered that day.

Why were police overwhelmed? When the progressives stormed the Capitol in 2017 to stop Trump's inauguration there were THOUSANDS of police in riot gear, anti-riot shields, plastic bullets, tear gas and really the whole shebang. When the MAGA crowd arrived on January 6, there were a hundred security guards with batons. Did the people on January 6 somehow hide their intentions from the Capitol security? 

If the security was what it was in 2017, they would never have breached the doors and we would not be talking about January 6! 

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39 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

Why were police overwhelmed? When the progressives stormed the Capitol in 2017 to stop Trump's inauguration there were THOUSANDS of police in riot gear, anti-riot shields, plastic bullets, tear gas and really the whole shebang. When the MAGA crowd arrived on January 6, there were a hundred security guards with batons. Did the people on January 6 somehow hide their intentions from the Capitol security? 

If the security was what it was in 2017, they would never have breached the doors and we would not be talking about January 6! 

Same reason why Kyle Rittenhouse could just away after shooting a bunch of people, I imagine.  Police always seem to be more heavy handed around liberals and lenient around right wing crowds here in America.  But we are in conspiracy theory territory again.  

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35 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Do you disagree that Jan 6th goal was to stop the vote from being certified.

Absolutely!

 

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Aka to stop the transfer of power?

Absolutely not!  There was no such goal.

 

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Or what do you believe their goal was. 

It’s as simple as you think it is.  The goal was to go to the Capital, peacefully and patriotically to support Congress, with song and prayer.  Perhaps an exchange of people to sit in the Gallery at an hour at a time, etc.  The Left knew that if Congress had questioned the outcomes of just 6 states, fraud would be revealed.  So the Left had a plan in place to create an incident that would defeat this union between the people and Congress.  And ultimately steal an election.  Within minutes of challenging Arizona, Antifa was given the go ahead to put the plan into action.  A hundred years from now, historians will look back and admit that this was when the Marxists defeated the Capitalists with dirty tricks to form a new nation.

 

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Sure there was no bloodbath violent coup. But that's not what I'm angry at them for 

There is always a bloodbath in any insurrection.  The “Summer of Love” from the year before was far more violent than Jan 6.  The only difference is that the one, the Left has virtually ignored while the other is made out to be a threat to our democracy.  It is only a threat to the Left’s version of democracy, and that is anti-Constitution.  They have constantly attacked the Bill of Rights.

 

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4 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Absolutely!

 

 

 

Absolutely not!  There was no such goal.

 

 

 

It’s as simple as you think it is.  The goal was to go to the Capital, peacefully and patriotically to support Congress, with song and prayer.  Perhaps an exchange of people to sit in the Gallery at an hour at a time, etc.  The Left knew that if Congress had questioned the outcomes of just 6 states, fraud would be revealed.  So the Left had a plan in place to create an incident that would defeat this union between the people and Congress.  And ultimately steal an election.  Within minutes of challenging Arizona, Antifa was given the go ahead to put the plan into action.  A hundred years from now, historians will look back and admit that this was when the Marxists defeated the Capitalists with dirty tricks to form a new nation.

 

 

 

There is always a bloodbath in any insurrection.  The “Summer of Love” from the year before was far more violent than Jan 6.  The only difference is that the one, the Left has virtually ignored while the other is made out to be a threat to our democracy.  It is only a threat to the Left’s version of democracy, and that is anti-Constitution.  They have constantly attacked the Bill of Rights.

 

 

 

Numerous people who were actually there have said and continue to say otherwise.  Either they or you are lying. Since they are willing to go to jail over it, I am more inclined to believe them.

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1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:
3 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Do you disagree that Jan 6th goal was to stop the vote from being certified.

Absolutely!

 

 

 

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Aka to stop the transfer of power?

Absolutely not!  There was no such goal.

 

 

 

So they wanted to stop the election from being certified but they didn't want to stop the transfer of power ? Lol.

That's a complete contradiction dude. Doing one causes the other.

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1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

It’s as simple as you think it is.  The goal was to go to the Capital, peacefully and patriotically to support Congress, with song and prayer. 

Lol. Then why didn't they do that? And why are people charged with sedition? Why are people from that day providing different stories than your narrative?

The truth is that you want to believe what you said because you think it will make Trump look less bad. 

Jan 6 was a disgrace to this nation. 

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The Left knew that if Congress had questioned the outcomes of just 6 states, fraud would be revealed. So the Left had a plan in place to create an incident that would defeat this union between the people and Congress. And ultimately steal an election. Within minutes of challenging Arizona, Antifa was given the go ahead to put the plan into action. A hundred years from now, historians will look back and admit that this was when the Marxists defeated the Capitalists with dirty tricks to form a new nation.

 

 

 

There have been dozens of lawsuits and investigations. 

It's clear that no amount of investigations will be enough for you. You will only accept what you want to believe. 

No amount of buzz words like "Left" and "Marxist" will change that. 

 

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1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Since they are willing to go to jail over it, I am more inclined to believe them.

Like the 930 or so who filed sworn affidavits about potential crimes in the 2020 election?  Like that?

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4 minutes ago, and-then said:

Like the 930 or so who filed sworn affidavits about potential crimes in the 2020 election?  Like that?

There is plenty of witness testimony for aliens, ghost, big foot, lock ness, faires, sighting of Elvis and Tupac, etc.

Are affidavits a reasonable and high enough standard for overturning a national election? 

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1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Same reason why Kyle Rittenhouse could just away after shooting a bunch of people, I imagine.  Police always seem to be more heavy handed around liberals and lenient around right wing crowds here in America.  But we are in conspiracy theory territory again.  

That's because they incinerate everything in their path. It's consistent and expected. It's nearly always violent with only a possibility of peace. Ows, Freddy gray, Mike brown, George floyd, Trump rallys they incited so much violence at those... The left shows up and people get hurt, die and fires roar. 

J6 is an outlier, wasn't a fraction as bad as any of that and it's incredibly unlikely to see the right engage in anything like it ever again. 

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