Democrats plot effort to counter Tucker Carlson on Jan. 6 narrative

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1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Same reason why Kyle Rittenhouse could just away after shooting a bunch of people, I imagine.  Police always seem to be more heavy handed around liberals and lenient around right wing crowds here in America.  But we are in conspiracy theory territory again.  

You're right, that is a conspiracy theory. At least we can all agree that there SHOULD have been a security presence, and SOMEONE is responsible for there NOT being adequate security. 

I would argue there are two obvious candidates - one is Trump and/or the Republicans (which one, you could argue several), maneuvering to try and have a small police presence to give the crowd the best chance of succeeding. The other is the democrats (possibly Pelosi, but not necessarily her) who intentionally took security off the Capitol knowing that it would look bad but had zero chance of overthrowing anything, but it will sure as heck make Trump and the Republicans look bad, and they can milk it for years (just like they have been doing).  

The other alternative is that someone was incompetent, and I really don't buy that answer, it requires far more faith (imo) to believe someone was that incompetent at their job than to believe someone (Republican or Democrat) intentionally set up January 6. Which makes it a conspiracy theory, as neither view has any kind of firm evidence, and requires people to believe that the Commissioner who resigned over the security issue is just a patsy taking the fall for someone else's decisions (my money's on the Democrats, but you could legitimately argue Republicans instead).

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1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

Absolutely!

 

 

 

Absolutely not!  There was no such goal.

  

20 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Lol. Then why didn't they do that? And why are people charged with sedition? Why are people from that day providing different stories than your narrative?

The truth is that you want to believe what you said because you think it will make Trump look less bad. 

Jan 6 was a disgrace to this nation. 

There have been dozens of lawsuits and investigations. 

It's clear that no amount of investigations will be enough for you. You will only accept what you want to believe. 

No amount of buzz words like "Left" and "Marxist" will change that. 

 

What if both of you are right? For the most part, the vast majority of people who went to the Capitol were in fact protesting peacefully, letting their voices be heard. There was a small element within that cohort of normal protesters who were trying to bring violence. 

Does this remind you of any protests or riots that took over America throughout 2020? What the media liked to call "mostly peaceful protests"? 

 

 

 

[F3SS]

4 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

so no I don't care at all that she died

What if police opened fire and sprayed the crowd? Would you have cared? Y'know you belong to the party that bemoaned the treatment of actual real serial murdering terrorists, at Gitmo and got them a soccer field to play on. Yet you applaud the public execution of a pretend terrorist as well deserved for what amounts to, at most, a non-violent felony. 

[spartan max2]

23 minutes ago, F3SS said:

What if police opened fire and sprayed the crowd? Would you have cared? Y'know you belong to the party that bemoaned the treatment of actual real serial murdering terrorists, at Gitmo and got them a soccer field to play on. Yet you applaud the public execution of a pretend terrorist as well deserved for what amounts to, at most, a non-violent felony. 

So on one hand we have you guys saying it wasent that bad of an event since their wasent violence and death. While also criticizing the police for de-escalating and not fighting at every part.

But at the same time you admit it was prudent for the police to de-escalate.

I think overall the police response to de-escalate instead of create a blood bath was a good decision.

But no, I don't care about the lady trying to climb through the window with guns pointed at her getting shot. They made a clear no further line there and she crossed it. There goal was to protect elected officials. Why should I care about her? She was a grown adult who make her own decision. No one forced her to do anything.

Imagine if some of these wackos actually got their hand on a politician? 

Edited March 9, 2023 by spartan max2

[F3SS]

43 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Why should I care about her?

Idk, assuming it's the truth about how it all went down I agree she played with fire and got burned but it takes a really rotten person for me to be so adamant about a person deserving to die. Seems too personal.  Maybe she had to in that moment but what's done is done. She lost big-time and wasn't exactly a key figure in all of this otherwise. 

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Shouldn't the police who shot  Ashli Babbitt have aimed for her leg? 

I mean,  NO - police aren't trained to do that. I actually think Babbitt deserved exactly what happened to her. But whenever a police shooting makes the news (usually when the officer is white and the criminal is black) the typical response from the progressives is to use less deadly force. Aim for the legs, is the normal argument. 

As noted,  it's pretty clear IMO that Babbitt deserved what happened. I hope next time we're talking about police actions that we aren't talking about trying to shoot them in the leg!

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13 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Absolutely!

 

 

 

Absolutely not!  There was no such goal.

 

 

 

It’s as simple as you think it is.  The goal was to go to the Capital, peacefully and patriotically to support Congress, with song and prayer.  Perhaps an exchange of people to sit in the Gallery at an hour at a time, etc.  The Left knew that if Congress had questioned the outcomes of just 6 states, fraud would be revealed.  So the Left had a plan in place to create an incident that would defeat this union between the people and Congress.  And ultimately steal an election.  Within minutes of challenging Arizona, Antifa was given the go ahead to put the plan into action.  A hundred years from now, historians will look back and admit that this was when the Marxists defeated the Capitalists with dirty tricks to form a new nation.

 

 

 

There is always a bloodbath in any insurrection.  The “Summer of Love” from the year before was far more violent than Jan 6.  The only difference is that the one, the Left has virtually ignored while the other is made out to be a threat to our democracy.  It is only a threat to the Left’s version of democracy, and that is anti-Constitution.  They have constantly attacked the Bill of Rights.

 

 

 

Are you really that much delusional? Even real republicans called out Tuckers BS. Again, you are free to continue with disinformation and your alternative facts but it still will not make them true.

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10 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

Shouldn't the police who shot  Ashli Babbitt have aimed for her leg? 

No.

That question comes up almost anytime there is a police shooting. 

Police are trained to aim for center mass. 

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[Buzz_Light_Year]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

No.

That question comes up almost anytime there is a police shooting. 

Police are trained to aim for center mass. 

They're also trained to ensure that their field of fire is clear to the target and beyond the target. There were LEO on the stairs behind Babbit.

The officer should've never fired, period and end of conversation.

What you had was a scared punk of a cop that should have his badge removed and his employment terminated.

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12 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

Shouldn't the police who shot  Ashli Babbitt have aimed for her leg? 

I mean,  NO - police aren't trained to do that. I actually think Babbitt deserved exactly what happened to her. But whenever a police shooting makes the news (usually when the officer is white and the criminal is black) the typical response from the progressives is to use less deadly force. Aim for the legs, is the normal argument. 

As noted,  it's pretty clear IMO that Babbitt deserved what happened. I hope next time we're talking about police actions that we aren't talking about trying to shoot them in the leg!

You are trying to use an excuse for untrained police officers, or let's say, exuse for police officers that DO shoot black people without thinking.

No, Babbit did not deserve to die. Just like the thousands of black americans who were shot to death for less reasons by the police.

But that is a different story. If you train people only for a few months that is what you get.  Many times german, english, french...police officers were in the same position yet they were able to get the other person alive with non leathel wounds. That is real training that lasts for 3, 4, 5 years. You get what you pay for and, as I can notice here, some people are loving it, until it's one of their own.

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1 hour ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

They're also trained to ensure that their field of fire is clear to the target and beyond the target. There were LEO on the stairs behind Babbit.

The officer should've never fired, period and end of conversation.

What you had was a scared punk of a cop that should have his badge removed and his employment terminated.

You're the authority on that?

The police acted under capital police policy and procedures according to the investigation. The court clearly did not agree with you.

Their duty was to protect elected representatives. Democracy can't function without our representatives being protected.

Edited March 9, 2023 by spartan max2

[Gromdor]

So....  40,000hrs of video, but Tucker hasn't aired any video of this Babbit girl or what she was doing before being shot?  Is he saving the best for last?  

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1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

You're the authority on that?

It's SOP for LE and for the Military for that fact. Heck even most hunters won't shoot until they know what is down range and not doing so is the largest reason for hunting accidents.

What you would have if the protestors had been BLM, the shooter white and the person killed black, would be a trial for the LEO that did the shooting and probably a conviction.

There was no immediate threat to this cops life and there were other LEO in his direct field of fire.

BAD SHOOT.

 

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40 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

 

What you would have if the protestors had been BLM, the shooter white and the person killed black, would be a trial for the LEO that did the shooting and probably a conviction.

 

 

But that was not the case, because if it was your narrative would support the blue.

You guys pick and choose what fits your agenda instead of having a firm and equal belife. And just because of that we are where we are now.

Again, in both cases, where an unarmed civilian was killed, black or white, it is the direct outcome of poorely and or mistrained police. 

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53 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

It's SOP for LE and for the Military for that fact. Heck even most hunters won't shoot until they know what is down range and not doing so is the largest reason for hunting accidents.

What you would have if the protestors had been BLM, the shooter white and the person killed black, would be a trial for the LEO that did the shooting and probably a conviction.

There was no immediate threat to this cops life and there were other LEO in his direct field of fire.

BAD SHOOT.

 

The shooting went before a judge and was found to be lawful.

You can choose to believe that the judges decision was only made for political reasons.That type of mentality is what led to Jan 6th in the first place. The idea that any ruling or investigation or results that go against what you want to believe is false and a conspiracy.

Elected representatives were being evacuation and the woman was climbing through a broken window. A clear barrier. 

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10 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

The idea that any ruling or investigation or results that go against what you want to believe is false and a conspiracy.

I will state this one last time. The shooter had LEO in his field of fire.

Would it have been okay if one of the LEO was struck and died? Would that make it okay also?

Babbit was an idiot for putting herself in the situation that caused her her life but it also makes Byrd a bigger idiot that he took a life because he was scared. GOOD GOD man there were police right behind Babbit and in the line of fire from Byrd. Where in the hell was the threat? HUH!! where?

Are you sure the judge had all the information at his disposal? The Shaman's lawyer is on record as saying that he wasn't allowed to see the Tucker Carlson video that we did. That evidence has to be made available to the defendants lawyer and it wasn't.

How do you know the judge had everything at his disposal? Guess what you don't.

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7 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

I will state this one last time. The shooter had LEO in his field of fire.

Would it have been okay if one of the LEO was struck and died? Would that make it okay also?

Babbit was an idiot for putting herself in the situation that caused her her life but it also makes Byrd a bigger idiot that he took a life because he was scared. GOOD GOD man there were police right behind Babbit and in the line of fire from Byrd. Where in the hell was the threat? HUH!! where?

Are you sure the judge had all the information at his disposal? The Shaman's lawyer is on record as saying that he wasn't allowed to see the Tucker Carlson video that we did. That evidence has to be made available to the defendants lawyer and it wasn't.

How do you know the judge had everything at his disposal? Guess what you don't.

The judge saw all the footage and dosen't agree with you. Why is it you believe the judge disagreed with you?

Here is some footage. We literally have a barricaded double doors with people banging baseball bats against the glass and the lady climbing through the broken window. The shooting stopped everyone in their tracks.

https://youtu.be/SjscskqLx0U

 

As a police are you going to let this mob with weapons who are banging on door get to elected officials?

And you guys criticize the police for this lol. 

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[RavenHawk]

18 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

So they wanted to stop the election from being certified but they didn't want to stop the transfer of power ? Lol.

This is why you are confused.  No, they did not want to stop the certification.  They wanted the fraud to be addressed.  They wanted to stop an illegal transfer of power.

 

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That's a complete contradiction dude. Doing one causes the other.

Assuring the validity of the certification, assures the proper transfer of power.  That didn’t happen.  It was a coup all the way.  Biden may be President but his Presidency will forever be clouded in scandal and corruption.  Carter will die knowing that he is no longer the worse President ever.

 

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5 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

As a police are you going to let this mob with weapons who are banging on door get to elected officials?

And you guys criticize the police for this lol. 

One last time for the thick skinned. The police were on the stairs with Babbit and the police were armed.

 

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3 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

This is why you are confused.  No, they did not want to stop the certification.  They wanted the fraud to be addressed.  They wanted to stop an illegal transfer of power.

If this were true than they would no longer in 2023 be calling the election fake.

We've had countless trials and investigations at this point. It's clear they would never accept the results.

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18 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Lol. Then why didn't they do that?

You haven’t been listening to what I’m saying are you?  Of course not.  One more time, do you understand the dynamics of mobs no matter how peaceful they start out?  How peaceful do you think a mob will stay if only one people in that group throws a rock through a window?  The answer is not much.  Now imagine placing hundreds of Antifa malcontents wearing MAGA hats or their usual black tactical gear, up near the entrances of the Capital before the crowds show up?  How long do you think that it will remain mostly peaceful when Antifa is unleashed and directed by FBI plants to do what they do well?  The crowd will usually follow suit and once the deed is done, Antifa will evade.  That is what the Left understands and how to manipulate a situation to their advantage.  That is a Green Op.

 

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And why are people charged with sedition? Why are people from that day providing different stories than your narrative?

Good questions.  Do you wonder why or do you just accept what is being fed to you by the Left?  I don’t know what all the stories are.  Everyone has a different view (how ‘bout that) and the vast majority were not malicious or a threat.  In the hundreds of thousands there, you might find one or two whose intention was to take the Capital and kill Congressmen.  That does not constitute an insurrection.  How many here want to kill Trump?  Be honest.  You probably think he deserves to die.  Disgraceful.

 

The charge is ‘Seditious Conspiracy’, 18 U.S. Code § 2384:

“If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”

 

Rebellion or Insurrection, 18 U.S. Code § 2383:

“Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

 

So what is the difference between Seditious Conspiracy and Insurrection?  Basically because there was no Insurrection, legally, they couldn’t use 2383.  Doh!  Lawyers could twist 2384 to fit the crimes of vandalism and trespass.  q.e.d.  And it turns out Albert Watkins (Jacob Chansley’s attorney) was never allowed to see the exculpatory evidence from the videos.  How many of the other political prisoners were forced to confess and not provided with the videos, which violates the 4^th to 8^th Amendments?  There are going to be a lot of appeals and people set free from false imprisonment.  The actions of this government are a disgrace to this country.

 

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The truth is that you want to believe what you said because you think it will make Trump look less bad. 

The truth is that I see the truth right before my eyes and you still reject it and continue to support the Left’s narrative.  I want to believe the truth and right now, the narrative of the Left is failing to be truthful.  Tucker just put in the latest nail on that.  The truth is that Trump is not bad, but that you’ve been had and believe that Trump is pure evil.  Do you ever step back and look at yourself and see how foolish you are?  You think Trump is corrupt, yet we had prosperity, no wars, etc. under Trump.  But now, we are near collapse and on the verge of war and you go about your daily life as no big deal.  That is irrational.  You see the corruption of the government right before your eyes and you ignore it.

 

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Jan 6 was a disgrace to this nation. 

No, the current President is a disgrace to this nation.  The riots of 2020 were a disgrace.  The Deep State and their allies are a disgrace.  They are an afront to the Constitution.

 

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There have been dozens of lawsuits and investigations. 

The two have been pretty much exclusive.  The investigations have shown a ton of evidence.  Much of it has been presented here over the last two years.  And the lawsuits have been dismissed.  Not on the merits of the case.  Let me repeat that, not because of the merits of the case.  But because of some procedural BS.  The corruption of the Deep State has been unveiled and they don’t care if the sheeple know.  Mass Formation Psychosis is what is a disgrace.

 

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It's clear that no amount of investigations will be enough for you. You will only accept what you want to believe. 

I’ve had enough of the lies!  I guess you haven’t??  The investigations have been clear.  Even to the dumbest person, the evidence should raise doubt and generate further investigation.  At least show some curiosity.  But there has been a clear lack of curiosity (nothing to see here, move along).  There hasn’t been any because the Left is covering up and hiding the truth.  That should set off red flags for everybody.  From time to time, people here will say how they wish the corruption would end.  And yet, here is corruption, so obvious and biting them in the butt and they act like it was nothing.  Hypocrites!!

 

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No amount of buzz words like "Left" and "Marxist" will change that. 

It’s not buzz words.  This is who they are.  If you don’t like the terms, then chose the one you like.  Nothing will change that they are Marxists and anyone that supports them.

 

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3 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

One last time for the thick skinned. The police were on the stairs with Babbit and the police were armed.

 

You avoided answering the question as to why you believe the judge disagreed with you.

Also, watch the video and tell me the proper response.

To wait for the mob to finish smashing the glass doors? And then what? The 5 or so officers get in a fist fight with 20 or more people who some of which have baseball bats?

Hope none run down the hall to attack an elected representative?

[RavenHawk]

6 hours ago, odas said:

Are you really that much delusional?

Never as much as you.

 

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Even real republicans called out Tuckers BS.

Those were not real republicans.  There are RINOs.  The party is changing and RINOs are dying out.  Now, there were a few I was surprised at, especially one of them.  But he always has a different view point of things.  I’m holding my judgement until I hear his side.

 

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Again, you are free to continue with disinformation and your alternative facts but it still will not make them true.

You are free to believe the Left’s narrative, no matter how much it gets debunked.  As I’ve said, when one domino falls, they all fall.

 

[spartan max2]

22 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

You haven’t been listening to what I’m saying are you?  Of course not.  One more time, do you understand the dynamics of mobs no matter how peaceful they start out?  How peaceful do you think a mob will stay if only one people in that group throws a rock through a window?  The answer is not much.  Now imagine placing hundreds of Antifa malcontents wearing MAGA hats or their usual black tactical gear, up near the entrances of the Capital before the crowds show up?  How long do you think that it will remain mostly peaceful when Antifa is unleashed and directed by FBI plants to do what they do well?  The crowd will usually follow suit and once the deed is done, Antifa will evade.  That is what the Left understands and how to manipulate a situation to their advantage.  That is a Green Op.

 

 

 

Good questions.  Do you wonder why or do you just accept what is being fed to you by the Left?  I don’t know what all the stories are.  Everyone has a different view (how ‘bout that) and the vast majority were not malicious or a threat.  In the hundreds of thousands there, you might find one or two whose intention was to take the Capital and kill Congressmen.  That does not constitute an insurrection.  How many here want to kill Trump?  Be honest.  You probably think he deserves to die.  Disgraceful.

 

 

 

The charge is ‘Seditious Conspiracy’, 18 U.S. Code § 2384:

 

“If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”

 

 

 

Rebellion or Insurrection, 18 U.S. Code § 2383:

 

“Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

 

 

 

So what is the difference between Seditious Conspiracy and Insurrection?  Basically because there was no Insurrection, legally, they couldn’t use 2383.  Doh!  Lawyers could twist 2384 to fit the crimes of vandalism and trespass.  q.e.d.  And it turns out Albert Watkins (Jacob Chansley’s attorney) was never allowed to see the exculpatory evidence from the videos.  How many of the other political prisoners were forced to confess and not provided with the videos, which violates the 4^th to 8^th Amendments?  There are going to be a lot of appeals and people set free from false imprisonment.  The actions of this government are a disgrace to this country.

 

 

 

The truth is that I see the truth right before my eyes and you still reject it and continue to support the Left’s narrative.  I want to believe the truth and right now, the narrative of the Left is failing to be truthful.  Tucker just put in the latest nail on that.  The truth is that Trump is not bad, but that you’ve been had and believe that Trump is pure evil.  Do you ever step back and look at yourself and see how foolish you are?  You think Trump is corrupt, yet we had prosperity, no wars, etc. under Trump.  But now, we are near collapse and on the verge of war and you go about your daily life as no big deal.  That is irrational.  You see the corruption of the government right before your eyes and you ignore it.

 

 

 

No, the current President is a disgrace to this nation.  The riots of 2020 were a disgrace.  The Deep State and their allies are a disgrace.  They are an afront to the Constitution.

 

 

 

The two have been pretty much exclusive.  The investigations have shown a ton of evidence.  Much of it has been presented here over the last two years.  And the lawsuits have been dismissed.  Not on the merits of the case.  Let me repeat that, not because of the merits of the case.  But because of some procedural BS.  The corruption of the Deep State has been unveiled and they don’t care if the sheeple know.  Mass Formation Psychosis is what is a disgrace.

 

 

 

I’ve had enough of the lies!  I guess you haven’t??  The investigations have been clear.  Even to the dumbest person, the evidence should raise doubt and generate further investigation.  At least show some curiosity.  But there has been a clear lack of curiosity (nothing to see here, move along).  There hasn’t been any because the Left is covering up and hiding the truth.  That should set off red flags for everybody.  From time to time, people here will say how they wish the corruption would end.  And yet, here is corruption, so obvious and biting them in the butt and they act like it was nothing.  Hypocrites!!

 

 

 

It’s not buzz words.  This is who they are.  If you don’t like the terms, then chose the one you like.  Nothing will change that they are Marxists and anyone that supports them.

 

 

 

This is why I call some of you cultist.

Everyone who disagrees with you are "Marxist". 

If it's people who agree with you some, but not all the time than they are "RINOs".

Media you don't like are just fake news MSM.

When people who were there on the day of the election certification at an event called "stop the steal", broke in and obstructed the certification. You don't blame them, you instead make up conspiracy FBI Antifa plots lol.

You have a polarized us vs them mentality where you disregard all information you don't like.

It's very cultish.