Alien 'mother ships' could be flying through our solar system

[skyeagle409]

1 hour ago, Gilbert Syndrome said:

Arthur Conan Doyle thought that miniature, winged women of magical origin were flying around in a little girl's back garden. 

The difference is, I have documentation and other evidence as means to back up what I say, not to mention my base was involved in UFO investigations where UFOs shut down our Minuteman missiles. In addition, I watched a UFO pass over my base in Vietnam in 1968. UFO sightings over Vietnam were covered up as enemy helicopters, which we knew wasn't true, How many people today are aware that UFOs were overflying Vietnam? I might add those UFOs were objects that had nothing to do with weapon systems of mankind? 

 

Edited March 23, 2023 by skyeagle409

[skyeagle409]

48 minutes ago, Gilbert Syndrome said:

But how can you be certain that it's not simply the ghost of a mothership that passed away in space and now sadly roams the cosmos in a perpetual state of extraterrestrial purgatory? 

That's just as likely as the scenario that you suggest. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually not, and it is all very simple to understand. Documented evidence does not support the case for a ghost of a mothership.

[Trelane]

Mind you he hasn't produced any authentic and original documentation. He uses cut and paste items that have been debunked or explained a long time ago. 

[skyeagle409]

33 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Mind you he hasn't produced any authentic and original documentation. He uses cut and paste items that have been debunked or explained a long time ago. 

Just to let you know that none of what I have posted has been debunked and is clearly documented by official sources and available under the Freedom of Information Act. (FOIA). Now, I challenge YOU to prove otherwise with evidence for all to see and failing to provide such evidence will simply underline my claim that the UFOs I am referring to are those of aliens, not mankind. Are you up to the task to provide evidence for all to see that refutes what I have just said?

I will be waiting for whatever evidence you can provide and I will take note if you fail to do so.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Hankenhunter]

1 hour ago, skyeagle409 said:

Just to let you know that none of what I have posted has been debunked and is clearly documented by official sources and available under the Freedom of Information Act. (FOIA). Now, I challenge YOU to prove otherwise with evidence for all to see and failing to provide such evidence will simply underline my claim that the UFOs I am referring to are those of aliens, not mankind. Are you up to the task to provide evidence for all to see that refutes what I have just said?

I will be waiting for whatever evidence you can provide and I will take note if you fail to do so.

 

 

You'll be waiting a long time. I keep seeing the same statement repeated ad nauseum, " You keep bringing up debunked encounters", yet they never show their "proof. Only multiple feeble attempts at humiliating you. I salute your perseverance.

 

[Hankenhunter]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

Mind you he hasn't produced any authentic and original documentation. He uses cut and paste items that have been debunked or explained a long time ago. 

Well, so far I haven't seen you produce a single document refuting his assertions. Just the same bolded statement over, and over. 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

12 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

The difference is, I have documentation and other evidence as means to back up what I say, not to mention my base was involved in UFO investigations where UFOs shut down our Minuteman missiles. In addition, I watched a UFO pass over my base in Vietnam in 1968. UFO sightings over Vietnam were covered up as enemy helicopters, which we knew wasn't true, How many people today are aware that UFOs were overflying Vietnam? I might add those UFOs were objects that had nothing to do with weapon systems of mankind? 

 

Then put forward your evidence to the proper parties and have it properly scrutinized and accepted as the factual information you claim it is so that there's absolutely no doubt to be had. Have you done that yet, or is it being "covered up" by nefarious underground superpowers? There's a big difference between personal beliefs and actual established facts, mate. 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

12 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

Actually not, and it is all very simple to understand. Documented evidence does not support the case for a ghost of a mothership.

Nor does it support the case for an actual physical mothership, as far as I can see, hence my suggestion that it might as well be a supernatural entity. 

Lot's of waffle about "well-known facts" on here but very little evidence that they're either well-known, or facts. You might as well be proposing the idea that this mothership is home to a race of space-travelling Sasquatch. 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

9 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

You'll be waiting a long time. I keep seeing the same statement repeated ad nauseum, " You keep bringing up debunked encounters", yet they never show their "proof. Only multiple feeble attempts at humiliating you. I salute your perseverance.

 

I'm sure you understand how this stuff works. You offer concrete, validated evidence supported by actually established facts that have been observed by the proper parties, and there's no room for denial, correct?

I'm struggling to see where any of this creative writing has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. 

At this point, you might as well be cataloguing known mating sites for Dogmen in Michigan and putting forward papers on their breeding habits. 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

9 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

Well, so far I haven't seen you produce a single document refuting his assertions. Just the same bolded statement over, and over. 

That's...not...how...it..works...

Amazing that I've got to point that out. 

[skyeagle409]

5 hours ago, Gilbert Syndrome said:

Then put forward your evidence to the proper parties and have it properly scrutinized and accepted as the factual information you claim it is so that there's absolutely no doubt to be had. Have you done that yet, or is it being "covered up" by nefarious underground superpowers? There's a big difference between personal beliefs and actual established facts, mate. 

There is a BIG difference between personal belief and actual established facts. That is why skeptics typically found themselves on the wrong side of the fence after investigations determined that I right and they were wrong. And, it's apparent they are not aware of what our space surveillance systems have been tracking in space. One well-publicized incident involving a UFO and a DSP surveillance satellite occurred in 1984 and that object that could very well have been from a Mothership since it was first detected in deep space as it headed toward Earth and after maneuvering around the DSP satellite, the object headed back into deep space from where it came. In addition, much of my evidence has been scrutinized. For an example:

 

UFO Statement by Emile J. Schweicher,
Professor Emeritus at the Belgian Royal Military Academy

Professor Schweicher was interviewed in the German UFO documentary film, “UFOs 2000” (RTL) regarding the Brussels radar UFO incident that involved Belgian Air Force F-16 jet fighters and several radar stations on 30-31 (p.m. into a.m.) March 1990:

"... radar expert Professor Emile J. Schweicher says the following: “The UFO could make right angle turns at constant speeds. That is impossible according to our mechanical laws of motion. I don’t think it’s possible to explain away UFO incidents that involve multiple radar stations by saying that all the radars had the same malfunction at the same time. That’s highly unlikely! There exist different types of radar systems, different sorts of antennas. And the radar antennas orientation towards the UFO were all different. I’m going to get fired – but I’m of the opinion that it’s highly likely that extraterrestrial intelligence is behind the UFO phenomenon!”

Emile J. Schweicher,

Professor Emeritus (Ret.)
 

MOTION STUDY
Maneuvered Motion and Intelligent Control

By Dewey Fournet, USAF (Ret.)

By the fall of 1952 we had a considerable number of well documented reports in which the UFO's made a series of maneuvers. If we could prove that these maneuvers were not random, but ordered, it would be proof that the UFO's were things that were intelligently controlled. Edward J. Ruppelt, former Chief of the Air Force Project Blue Book investigation, later reported that the study was "very hot and very controversial...[it] was hot because it wasn't official and the reason it wasn't official was because it was so hot. It concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships."

 

Conclusion UFOs Are Space Ships
Given SAC in 1952

A 1952 evaluation of "flying saucers" as interplanetary devices, sent to Strategic Air Command Headquarters from MacDill AFB, has been disclosed to NICAP by former information Specialist Don Widener, one of the AF men concurring in this opinion.

 

 

What Radar Tells About Flying Saucers

“Another confirmation of the visitors' incredible speed came later that night, from the Washington tower. Operator Joe Zacko had been watching the A.S.R. scope when one of the mystery objects abruptly appeared just west of Andrews Field. Unlike the slower M.E.W., the A.S.R., with its 28-rpm antenna, can track extremely high speeds. As Zacko watched, fascinated, the blips made a bright streak or trail, heading north-northeast toward Riverdale. Then the trail ended as swiftly as it had come.

Howard Cocklin, hastily called over by Zacko, also saw the bright trail. Together they figured the object's speed from its trace. It had been making two miles per second -7,200 m.p.h. "It was as if it had descended rapidly, almost vertically," Cocklin told me later. "That would bring it suddenly into the A.S.R. beam area. It seemed to level off for those few seconds, and then abruptly ascend out of the beam again." ]

                                                                                                                                                                                   

Edited March 24, 2023 by skyeagle409

[skyeagle409]

4 hours ago, Gilbert Syndrome said:

Nor does it support the case for an actual physical mothership, as far as I can see, hence my suggestion that it might as well be a supernatural entity. 

Lot's of waffle about "well-known facts" on here but very little evidence that they're either well-known, or facts. You might as well be proposing the idea that this mothership is home to a race of space-travelling Sasquatch. 

Actually it does support the case for a Mothership. It seems that you are unaware of capabilities of  our space surveillance assets,, especially since they have been tracking these objects in space for decades. Here's one example:

Surveillance Systems Track UFOs

AeroJet engineers Lee Graham and Ron Regehr, who have shown UFO researcher Don Ecker documents showing that AeroJet's DSP satellite system alone has routinely detected UFOs flying into Earth's atmosphere from deep space 2-3 times per month. Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Howard Blum reported that NORAD tracks many UFOs on its deep space radars.

 

 

 

 

[skyeagle409]

5 hours ago, Gilbert Syndrome said:

I'm sure you understand how this stuff works. You offer concrete, validated evidence supported by actually established facts that have been observed by the proper parties, and there's no room for denial, correct?

I'm struggling to see where any of this creative writing has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. 

At this point, you might as well be cataloguing known mating sites for Dogmen in Michigan and putting forward papers on their breeding habits. 

I have presented scrutinized and verifiable, official documentation on numerous occasions only to watch skeptics rewrite what the experts concluded. And, I am knowledgeable enough to know when to 'hold 'em and when to throw 'em. 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

On 3/24/2023 at 3:38 PM, skyeagle409 said:

There is a BIG difference between personal belief and actual established facts. That is why skeptics typically found themselves on the wrong side of the fence after investigations determined that I right and they were wrong. And, it's apparent they are not aware of what our space surveillance systems have been tracking in space. One well-publicized incident involving a UFO and a DSP surveillance satellite occurred in 1984 and that object that could very well have been from a Mothership since it was first detected in deep space as it headed toward Earth and after maneuvering around the DSP satellite, the object headed back into deep space from where it came. In addition, much of my evidence has been scrutinized. For an example:

 

UFO Statement by Emile J. Schweicher,
Professor Emeritus at the Belgian Royal Military Academy

Professor Schweicher was interviewed in the German UFO documentary film, “UFOs 2000” (RTL) regarding the Brussels radar UFO incident that involved Belgian Air Force F-16 jet fighters and several radar stations on 30-31 (p.m. into a.m.) March 1990:

"... radar expert Professor Emile J. Schweicher says the following: “The UFO could make right angle turns at constant speeds. That is impossible according to our mechanical laws of motion. I don’t think it’s possible to explain away UFO incidents that involve multiple radar stations by saying that all the radars had the same malfunction at the same time. That’s highly unlikely! There exist different types of radar systems, different sorts of antennas. And the radar antennas orientation towards the UFO were all different. I’m going to get fired – but I’m of the opinion that it’s highly likely that extraterrestrial intelligence is behind the UFO phenomenon!”

Emile J. Schweicher,

Professor Emeritus (Ret.)
 

MOTION STUDY
Maneuvered Motion and Intelligent Control

By Dewey Fournet, USAF (Ret.)

By the fall of 1952 we had a considerable number of well documented reports in which the UFO's made a series of maneuvers. If we could prove that these maneuvers were not random, but ordered, it would be proof that the UFO's were things that were intelligently controlled. Edward J. Ruppelt, former Chief of the Air Force Project Blue Book investigation, later reported that the study was "very hot and very controversial...[it] was hot because it wasn't official and the reason it wasn't official was because it was so hot. It concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships."

 

Conclusion UFOs Are Space Ships
Given SAC in 1952

A 1952 evaluation of "flying saucers" as interplanetary devices, sent to Strategic Air Command Headquarters from MacDill AFB, has been disclosed to NICAP by former information Specialist Don Widener, one of the AF men concurring in this opinion.

 

 

What Radar Tells About Flying Saucers

“Another confirmation of the visitors' incredible speed came later that night, from the Washington tower. Operator Joe Zacko had been watching the A.S.R. scope when one of the mystery objects abruptly appeared just west of Andrews Field. Unlike the slower M.E.W., the A.S.R., with its 28-rpm antenna, can track extremely high speeds. As Zacko watched, fascinated, the blips made a bright streak or trail, heading north-northeast toward Riverdale. Then the trail ended as swiftly as it had come.

Howard Cocklin, hastily called over by Zacko, also saw the bright trail. Together they figured the object's speed from its trace. It had been making two miles per second -7,200 m.p.h. "It was as if it had descended rapidly, almost vertically," Cocklin told me later. "That would bring it suddenly into the A.S.R. beam area. It seemed to level off for those few seconds, and then abruptly ascend out of the beam again." ]

                                                                                                                                                                                   

And was it conclusively proven that these maneuvers were in fact controlled and not random? Was it proven beyond considerable doubt that they were intelligently controlled?

[Gilbert Syndrome]

On 3/24/2023 at 4:11 PM, skyeagle409 said:

Actually it does support the case for a Mothership. It seems that you are unaware of capabilities of  our space surveillance assets,, especially since they have been tracking these objects in space for decades. Here's one example:

Surveillance Systems Track UFOs

AeroJet engineers Lee Graham and Ron Regehr, who have shown UFO researcher Don Ecker documents showing that AeroJet's DSP satellite system alone has routinely detected UFOs flying into Earth's atmosphere from deep space 2-3 times per month. Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Howard Blum reported that NORAD tracks many UFOs on its deep space radars.

 

 

 

 

Again, where is the conclusive proof, though? Lots of reports, lots of supposed sightings, yet not many scientists agree with you that we're being visited, and have been visited, for literal decades by extraterrestrial beings. 

The sheer volume of UFO sightings in America alone over the past few years would seen to indicate that intelligent alien beings are here on a daily basis, just flying around for the hell of it... But the evidence that is needed to conclusively prove such a thing is strangely absent. 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

On 3/24/2023 at 4:21 PM, skyeagle409 said:

I have presented scrutinized and verifiable, official documentation on numerous occasions only to watch skeptics rewrite what the experts concluded. And, I am knowledgeable enough to know when to 'hold 'em and when to throw 'em. 

Have you thought about releasing a book containing all of this information and allowing people from all walks of life, expertise, professional and otherwise, to give their take on it?

Like I say, it's a bit odd that, according to you, there's this wealth of evidence available, yet not very many experts actually agree with you. You're either way ahead of the game, or you're way off the mark. I won't tell you which one I'd agree with, but I know which one I'd like to choose... I've nothing against UFOs being true, visiting alien life... But I severely doubt that to be the case, and I'm not alone on that. 

 

[skyeagle409]

8 hours ago, Gilbert Syndrome said:

And was it conclusively proven that these maneuvers were in fact controlled and not random? Was it proven beyond considerable doubt that they were intelligently controlled?

Absolutely!! Here is one case that was brought up at the U. S. Air Force Academy. The pilot was eventually scolded by a commanding officer for firing on the flying saucer he encountered. 

 

INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II
CHAPTER XXXIII 
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF 
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY 

We too have fired on UFO's.  About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude.  The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time.  It was definitely saucer-shaped.  As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away.  When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer.  He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance. 

 

 The classic cat-and-mouse games that UFOs are known for when encountered by interceptors, which was brought up in the following study.

 

MANEUVERED MOTION AND "INTELLIGENT CONTROL

 It concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships."...Case after case can be cited of UFOs apparently playing interactive games with (a) military aircraft
 

 

 

 

 

 

[skyeagle409]

8 hours ago, Gilbert Syndrome said:

Again, where is the conclusive proof, though? Lots of reports, lots of supposed sightings, yet not many scientists agree with you that we're being visited, and have been visited, for literal decades by extraterrestrial beings. 

The sheer volume of UFO sightings in America alone over the past few years would seen to indicate that intelligent alien beings are here on a daily basis, just flying around for the hell of it... But the evidence that is needed to conclusively prove such a thing is strangely absent. 

Actually, there is conclusive proof. In fact, DSP surveillance satellite engineers from Aerojet have already revealed documentation related to their DSP satellites tracking UFOs in space, one of whom was invited years ago to participate in one of the Unexplained-Mystery forums. One of the encounters involving their DSP satellite was televised on the Discovery Channel. 

[skyeagle409]

8 hours ago, Gilbert Syndrome said:

Again, where is the conclusive proof, though? Lots of reports, lots of supposed sightings, yet not many scientists agree with you that we're being visited, and have been visited, for literal decades by extraterrestrial beings. 

The sheer volume of UFO sightings in America alone over the past few years would seen to indicate that intelligent alien beings are here on a daily basis, just flying around for the hell of it... But the evidence that is needed to conclusively prove such a thing is strangely absent. 

Much of the information is still classified, however, Dr. Carl Sagan was somehow made aware the Air Force was tracking UFOs in space using its space surveillance radars. Dr. Saga made a request for the Air Force to release its data for study because the data depicted objects there were not man-made. Dr. Sagan's request was made during the:

SYMPOSIUM ON UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
HEARINGS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE AND ASTRONAUTICS
U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, NINETIETH CONGRESS, SECOND SESSION
JULY 29, 1968
 

I might add that there have been reports of large UFOs (motherships) deploying smaller objects, and some reports have been made public. 

[Phantom309]

Great job Sky - its like these guys wander like drunken sailors into Sky Eagle's UFO Bar & Grill, spout off some nonsense, then get served a huge Sky haymaker and bam, they go careening back out the door they came in and end up face down in the mud on the street.

Love it. 

[Trelane]

1 hour ago, Phantom309 said:

Great job Sky - its like these guys wander like drunken sailors into Sky Eagle's UFO Bar & Grill, spout off some nonsense, then get served a huge Sky haymaker and bam, they go careening back out the door they came in and end up face down in the mud on the street.

Love it. 

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

I always enjoy clapping seals who toot the harmonica of rubbish (aliens, Bigfoot, Nessie, etc). It is very entertaining. Sky is the cut and paster of rubbish and you guys are his backup singers. Wonderful.  Still waiting for that conclusive facts that have been published. Maybe that will happen after disclosure lol. 

[Hankenhunter]

3 hours ago, Trelane said:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

I always enjoy clapping seals who toot the harmonica of rubbish (aliens, Bigfoot, Nessie, etc). It is very entertaining. Sky is the cut and paster of rubbish and you guys are his backup singers. Wonderful.  Still waiting for that conclusive facts that have been published. Maybe that will happen after disclosure lol. 

Your whole world will come crashing down when it happens. It's just a matter of time now before full disclosure.

I personally think that full disclosure is the only thing that will pull humanity back from the edge of the cliff we find ourselves backed up to. It would bring us back together against a common foe instead of each other. 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Hankenhunter

[skyeagle409]

16 hours ago, Trelane said:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

I always enjoy clapping seals who toot the harmonica of rubbish (aliens, Bigfoot, Nessie, etc). It is very entertaining. Sky is the cut and paster of rubbish and you guys are his backup singers. Wonderful.  Still waiting for that conclusive facts that have been published. Maybe that will happen after disclosure lol. 

 

What?!?!  You called verifiable, documented, historical and official information that's available under the Freedom of Information Act "rubbish" after FAILING  to provide evidence that UAPs are man-made?!?!. Apparently, your "rubbish" comment FALLS FLAT OF ITS FACE when considering that the you have yet to provide a single shred of evidence the objects are man-made despite the CHALLENGE for you to do so. You've placed aliens in the same boat as Bigfoot and Nessie, but it's apparent that military and intelligence officials have thrown your Bigfoot and Nessie comment overboard and here is one example.

 

Jim Semivan

Veteran CIA officer

Jim Semivan who has expressed personal interest in UFO/UAP issues and cases, joined the George Knapp show to discuss the CIA’s role in the study of UFOs and their own experiences. He added “… nothing is even close to this … I was privy to some of this stuff and I can tell ya there’s absolutely no way on God’s green earth that these things are terrestrial or belong to a government."

https://www.howandwhys.com/four-us-intelligence-directors-hint-that-ufos-are-alien-spaceships-believe-there-are-other-dimensions/

 

Perhaps, the reason why you cannot find evidence the UAPs are man-made is because your evidence was abducted by alien beings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Trelane]

More copy and paste, with no corroborating annotations. Sky, you keep honking about FOIA and such. Please, just scan one, just one document  (the whole sheet please) YOU have received from a FOIA request. Not some lazy cut and paste from your favorite UFO websites. Just one though, as I suspect you don't have more than one let alone know the process for requesting declassified documents.

I do enjoy someone citing CIA operatives. It makes me chuckle inside. I thought the CIA was part of the big conspiracy? Are they not now? Which is it then? Will they provide the alleged imminent disclosure? Imminent in terms of decades long talking about it I mean. 

I expect more tap dancing though.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Trelane

[Hankenhunter]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

I expect more tap dancing though.

Here's your tap dancing. Enjoy.