+Hammerclaw Posted March 12, 2023 #26 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Abramelin said: So, you're suggesting that off the coast of Veracruz they found an artifact resembling a person from an African tribe? Good luck with that, heh. I found very convincing pics of African looking people in Wuthenau's book about Pre-Columbian terracottas. But, btw., you can find South American tribes practising the same kind of lip mutilation. Of course, but it's the only picture I could find with a similar appearance. There are tribes in the Amazon that use lip disks but are even more bizarre in appearance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonman Posted March 12, 2023 #27 Share Posted March 12, 2023 That's the most fake looking "artifact" I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted March 12, 2023 #28 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) On 3/10/2023 at 10:57 PM, Unusual Tournament said: A strange artifact from the Gulf of Veracruz dated between 600-900 AD. Foind this on Twitter not sure if it’s authentic. Looks like it might be fake It is apparently catalogued as a "Ceramic Effigy Head of a Monkey or other mythological creature 600-900CE". "This puzzling effigy head has been identified as a monkey but may represent a combination of different animal features. It may have served as a helmet for another figure. Detachable helmets for warrior figures from Veracruz often depict a wide range of fantastic, grotesque creatures." - Walters Art Museum Photographed at the Walters Art Museum, Baltimore, Maryland." Edited March 12, 2023 by Thanos5150 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted March 12, 2023 #29 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I'd say: case closed. Thanos has solved the riddle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted March 12, 2023 #30 Share Posted March 12, 2023 That is a fake.,homo sapians don `nt have horns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted March 13, 2023 #31 Share Posted March 13, 2023 20 hours ago, docyabut2 said: That is a fake.,homo sapians don `nt have horns This is a sculpture of a mythological being, Docy. It is not supposed to be representing a human being. Read Thanos' post again, please. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted March 14, 2023 #32 Share Posted March 14, 2023 On 3/13/2023 at 2:21 AM, Abramelin said: I'd say: case closed. Thanos has solved the riddle. One hopes so…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted March 14, 2023 #33 Share Posted March 14, 2023 On 3/13/2023 at 9:30 AM, docyabut2 said: That is a fake.,homo sapians don `nt have horns Seemingly….unless Moses is no homo sapien. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted March 14, 2023 #34 Share Posted March 14, 2023 3 hours ago, The Puzzler said: One hopes so…. He did. You nevertheless doubt it is a sculpture in a known museum Thanos posted about? And why do you doubt his words? The guy is meticulous about details and facts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted March 14, 2023 #35 Share Posted March 14, 2023 3 hours ago, The Puzzler said: Seemingly….unless Moses is no homo sapien. Mozes' horns were NO horns, but flashes of lightning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted March 14, 2023 #36 Share Posted March 14, 2023 On 3/12/2023 at 5:04 PM, Thanos5150 said: It is apparently catalogued as a "Ceramic Effigy Head of a Monkey or other mythological creature 600-900CE". "This puzzling effigy head has been identified as a monkey but may represent a combination of different animal features. It may have served as a helmet for another figure. Detachable helmets for warrior figures from Veracruz often depict a wide range of fantastic, grotesque creatures." - Walters Art Museum Photographed at the Walters Art Museum, Baltimore, Maryland." You have a link to your (online?) source, Thanos? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted March 14, 2023 #37 Share Posted March 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Abramelin said: You have a link to your (online?) source, Thanos? https://www.pinterest.com/pin/ceramic-effigy-head-of-a-monkey-or-other-mythological-creature-mexico-600900-ce--354799276863989225/ or https://www.flickr.com/photos/mharrsch/4125087966 cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted March 14, 2023 #38 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/ceramic-effigy-head-of-a-monkey-or-other-mythological-creature-mexico-600900-ce--354799276863989225/ or https://www.flickr.com/photos/mharrsch/4125087966 cormac I found those too. But those are not the links I hoped for. Flickr, Pinterest?? Edited March 14, 2023 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted March 14, 2023 #39 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Abramelin said: I found those too. But those are not the links I hoped for. Perhaps the museum has its own website. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted March 14, 2023 #40 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said: Perhaps the museum has its own website. cormac @Thanos5150 Please give us a link to your source. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted March 15, 2023 #41 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Abramelin said: @Thanos5150 Please give us a link to your source. Pinterest/flickr, however the poster, Mary Harrsch, is quoting the place card from the Walters Art museum where it is located and photographed on display. Again: Quote "This puzzling effigy head has been identified as a monkey but may represent a combination of different animal features. It may have served as a helmet for another figure. Detachable helmets for warrior figures from Veracruz often depict a wide range of fantastic, grotesque creatures." - Walters Art Museum Photographed at the Walters Art Museum, Baltimore, Maryland. On her flickr page provides an album of 445 photographs titled: Walters Art Museum Exhibits at the Walters Art Museum, Baltimore Maryland which most pictures include the quote from the museum place card. For example: Quote The Roman Emperor Vespasian recut from a bust of Nero 1st century CE "The large eyes and distinctive features suggest that this head represents the Flavian emperor Vespasian (reigned AD 69-79). However, the flatness of the face and hairstyle suggest that this was originally a portrait head of Emperor Nero (reigned AD 54-68) that was re-carved to resemble Vespasian." - Walters Art Museum Photographed at the Walters Art Museum, Baltimore, Maryland. The subject of this thread is found on pg 3 While not shown in their online catalogue, they do have several other pieces from the Veracruz Late Classic Period. We good? Edited March 15, 2023 by Thanos5150 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted March 15, 2023 #42 Share Posted March 15, 2023 12 hours ago, Thanos5150 said: Pinterest/flickr, however the poster, Mary Harrsch, is quoting the place card from the Walters Art museum where it is located and photographed on display. Forgot to link Mary Harrsch's name to her album home page: HERE. Quite impressive. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted March 15, 2023 #43 Share Posted March 15, 2023 On 3/14/2023 at 10:12 AM, The Puzzler said: Seemingly….unless Moses is no homo sapien. Propably Cordyceps infection... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted March 18, 2023 #44 Share Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/15/2023 at 8:49 PM, Jon the frog said: Propably Cordyceps infection... Damn, that's brilliant: Moses' belief in the One and Only True God was dictated to him by a mind-controlling fungus. Terence McKenna would have loved it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoldenBoy Posted March 21, 2023 #45 Share Posted March 21, 2023 https://thewalters.org/search/?q=Head+effigy#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Head effigy&gsc.page=1 I couldn't find this sculpture on the site. The only source source is Pinterest....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ell Posted March 21, 2023 #46 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, TheGoldenBoy said: https://thewalters.org/search/?q=Head+effigy#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Head effigy&gsc.page=1 I couldn't find this sculpture on the site. The only source source is Pinterest....... The museum has tens of thousands of items. The only way to find it is if one knows the catalogue number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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