Covid pandemic - three years on

[psyche101]

On 3/18/2023 at 5:51 AM, and-then said:

It's called free will and the refusal to allow a thuggish government to crush the people for causes of their own while pretending to "save lives".  You folks can keep marching lockstep if you like, but too much information has made it out for average Americans to be fooled again. 

The next time they try their lockdowns, the ONLY way most of us outside the blue cesspools are going to willingly comply will be IF we see people we know, falling seriously ill or dying.  Nothing takes the place of being a first hand witness.  

You are trying to get people to match in lockstep to a red tune. Almost seven million dead, but it's dubious because you don't personally know them.

You take the word ridiculous to new pinnacles often.

[Scholar4Truth]

On 3/17/2023 at 2:51 PM, and-then said:

It's called free will and the refusal to allow a thuggish government to crush the people for causes of their own while pretending to "save lives".  You folks can keep marching lockstep if you like, but too much information has made it out for average Americans to be fooled again. 

The next time they try their lockdowns, the ONLY way most of us outside the blue cesspools are going to willingly comply will be IF we see people we know, falling seriously ill or dying.  Nothing takes the place of being a first hand witness.  

I know 4 people who fell ill and died of Covid. Friends of mine!  That is the most selfish, insultive statement I have heard. I find it disgusting.

[acidhead]

On 3/11/2023 at 7:21 AM, zep73 said:

It's funny to think back on all the cries about dictatorship and loss of civil liberties, that some on the right were sure had come to stay. Although we tried to explain to them it was a temporary necessity.

"temporary necessity" 

Meanwhile ... 

 

[+Desertrat56]

On 3/17/2023 at 1:51 PM, and-then said:

It's called free will and the refusal to allow a thuggish government to crush the people for causes of their own while pretending to "save lives".  You folks can keep marching lockstep if you like, but too much information has made it out for average Americans to be fooled again. 

The next time they try their lockdowns, the ONLY way most of us outside the blue cesspools are going to willingly comply will be IF we see people we know, falling seriously ill or dying.  Nothing takes the place of being a first hand witness.  

You probably never read any history books about this but in the early 1900's we had a pandemic, influenza, the "Spanish" flu (though it did not originate in Spain).  It killed a lot of people and it lasted two years.  Flu, unlike covid, is seasonal and mutates every year, not every month like Covid.   You are whinging/whining because you don't want anyone to tell you what to do.   Really, the 1st world countries learned a lot from that flu pandemic.   Another one happened in 1968 & 1969.  You and I were kids then, the same percentage of people died in those two years as the percentage of people died in the first 6 months of covid.   I looked up the numbers.   So, the health organizations recommended the governments set up restrictions to limit exposure, TO Protect The Population!!!!   Now 3 years later you are stil chafing about something that is no longer an issue, you can go almost anywhere you want mask free, and even then you can go anywhere you want, anywhere!   So give it a rest, and go take that walk that you haven't taken yet.    Your fear and anxiety are unreasonable.

Edited March 20, 2023 by Desertrat56

[Scholar4Truth]

4 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

You probably never read any history books about this but in the early 1900's we had a pandemic, influenza, the "Spanish" flu (though it did not originate in Spain).  It killed a lot of people and it lasted two years.  Flu, unlike covid, is seasonal and mutates every year, not every month like Covid.   You are whinging/whining because you don't want anyone to tell you what to do.   Really, the 1st world countries learned a lot from that flu pandemic.   Another one happened in 1968 & 1969.  You and I were kids then, the same percentage of people died in those two years as the percentage of people died in the first 6 months of covid.   I looked up the numbers.   So, the health organizations recommended the governments set up restrictions to limit exposure, TO Protect The Population!!!!   Now 3 years later you are stil chafing about something that is no longer an issue, you can go almost anywhere you want mask free, and even then you can go anywhere you want, anywhere!   So give it a rest, and go take that walk that you haven't taken yet.    Your fear and anxiety are unreasonable.

And they wore mask during the Spanish flu as well, and no one complained.

[+Desertrat56]

Just now, Scholar4Truth said:

And they wore mask during the Spanish flu as well, and no one complained.

And they didn't have a supermarket that sold them, they had to make them themselves or get them from someone who could sew.

[+and-then]

On 3/19/2023 at 10:10 PM, Scholar4Truth said:

That is the most selfish, insultive statement I have heard. I find it disgusting

Lighten up, Francis.  You act as though I am in some way responsible for the death of people I've never met.  I stand by my statement.  Before I will be shamed or blamed into massive changes that benefit only a power-hungry government, they will have to do a lot more to prove their case than just convincing people like yourself to try and shout me down.  It's not going to work, again.  You do you, I'll do the same, and neither of us needs to be held accountable for how anyone else "feels".  

I'll leave this here:

Or as the Bard would say -"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio than are dreamt of in YOUR philosophy".

[psyche101]

On 3/20/2023 at 4:47 PM, acidhead said:

"temporary necessity" 

Meanwhile ... 

 

 

 

Aww novax didn't get special treatment? 

And yep, temporary

 

Being not vaccinated against COVID-19 remains a requirement of international travellers but Djokovic had hoped to be granted special permission to enter the country.

The policy is expected to be lifted when the government ends its COVID-19 emergency declarations on May 11.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/sports/2023/3/18/djokovic-denied-us-entry-over-covid-vaccine-policy

[Scholar4Truth]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

Lighten up, Francis.  You act as though I am in some way responsible for the death of people I've never met.  I stand by my statement.  Before I will be shamed or blamed into massive changes that benefit only a power-hungry government, they will have to do a lot more to prove their case than just convincing people like yourself to try and shout me down.  It's not going to work, again.  You do you, I'll do the same, and neither of us needs to be held accountable for how anyone else "feels".  

I'll leave this here:

Or as the Bard would say -"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio than are dreamt of in YOUR philosophy".

I am not shaming I am stating facts on me having 4 friends who died from Covid not feelings. I also never said you were responsible, that's a strawman. So please quote me fully rather then cut out my comments. Quote me in full context otherwise you are being dishonest.

[+Desertrat56]

7 hours ago, and-then said:

Before I will be shamed or blamed into massive changes that benefit only a power-hungry government,

But it isn't "the government"!   You aren't paying attention.   Who is getting benefits from the virus and vaccine?   Not the government.  They have paid people extra for unemployment, they have paid for vaccines, they have paid for Paxlovid, they have paid, and Who did they pay (aside from unemployment)?   Wake Up!  Big Brother is not the government it is the corporations.  If the government wants to listen in on your conversations recorded by your smart phone or television they have to pay some corporation to get it.   

[Katniss]

3 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

But it isn't "the government"!   You aren't paying attention.   Who is getting benefits from the virus and vaccine?   Not the government.  They have paid people extra for unemployment, they have paid for vaccines, they have paid for Paxlovid, they have paid, and Who did they pay (aside from unemployment)?   Wake Up!  Big Brother is not the government it is the corporations.  If the government wants to listen in on your conversations recorded by your smart phone or television they have to pay some corporation to get it.   

He is part of the corporations. That is why he posts his crap here.

[+and-then]

On 3/20/2023 at 1:47 PM, Scholar4Truth said:

And they wore mask during the Spanish flu as well, and no one complained.

Two things.  I'm pretty sure that that pandemic was the beginning of the use of masks.  There's a wonderful book out there called THE GREAT INFLUENZA.  I highly recommend it.  The reason I find your comparison with the 1918 flu to be unfounded is that when it struck in late 1918 and into 1919, thousands of people were dying daily for a while.  There was a an obvious, visible reason for the panic.  I recall reading in that book that in Philadelphia at the height of the pandemic there were days where THOUSANDS DROPPED DEAD IN PUBLIC.  There is a HUGE difference between the so-called Spanish Flu and Covid 19.  

In less than 2 years, the great influenza killed an estimated 50-100 MILLION human beings, world wide.  I can promise everyone here that if I see local news of hundreds perishing each week - or day - I'll do whatever the PTB suggest.  BUT... never again will I trust media to tell the truth about ANYTHING, EVER...

[+and-then]

On 3/23/2023 at 9:22 AM, Desertrat56 said:

But it isn't "the government"!   You aren't paying attention.   Who is getting benefits from the virus and vaccine?   Not the government.  They have paid people extra for unemployment, they have paid for vaccines, they have paid for Paxlovid, they have paid, and Who did they pay (aside from unemployment)?   Wake Up!  Big Brother is not the government it is the corporations.  If the government wants to listen in on your conversations recorded by your smart phone or television they have to pay some corporation to get it.   

You're wasting your time trying to explain to me that our government isn't/didn't use Covid to amass more power to itself.  If that is what you believe then, good for you.  No harm, no foul.  IMO, the world is only beginning to reap the destruction that was set in motion by government's reaction to this virus.  

[Essan]

12 hours ago, and-then said:

You're wasting your time trying to explain to me that our government isn't/didn't use Covid to amass more power to itself.  If that is what you believe then, good for you.  No harm, no foul.  IMO, the world is only beginning to reap the destruction that was set in motion by government's reaction to this virus.  

Conspiracy?   Or incompetence.  

Personally, I have far too low a regard for those who seek power to see anything but the latter  

[Doug1066]

Update on my wife's friend:

A little over a year ago my wife's friend took a horse-sized dose of ivermectin because she was afraid of covid.  She killed her liver and nearly died.  She has now had a liver transplant and we're all waiting to see if it takes.

A friend of my daughter's got covid and was so sick he figured he's be dead in a few days.  He figure he didn't have anything to lose, so he took a SHEEP-sized dose of ivermectin.  He recovered in about three days.

Dosage seems to be the key.  The amount that cures and the amount that kills is very nearly the same.  Be careful out there.

Doug

[+Desertrat56]

7 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

Update on my wife's friend:

A little over a year ago my wife's friend took a horse-sized dose of ivermectin because she was afraid of covid.  She killed her liver and nearly died.  She has now had a liver transplant and we're all waiting to see if it takes.

A friend of my daughter's got covid and was so sick he figured he's be dead in a few days.  He figure he didn't have anything to lose, so he took a SHEEP-sized dose of ivermectin.  He recovered in about three days.

Dosage seems to be the key.  The amount that cures and the amount that kills is very nearly the same.  Be careful out there.

Doug

Well, DUH!   The dosage is based on weight.   A sheep is closer in wieght to a human than a horse.  Still there is no proof that the Ivermectin was what caused him to recover.   He was probably getting over it anyway.   How many days was he sick before he took the ivermectin?    I think people are not being sensible about this kind of thing.

And now you are spreading false relationships between covid and ivermectin.

You don't CURE a virus, your body has to fight it off and even then it may reside dormant for years, until some stressor weakens your immune system and it rears up again (like Shingles/chicken pox) 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Desertrat56

[+Desertrat56]

10 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

Update on my wife's friend:

A little over a year ago my wife's friend took a horse-sized dose of ivermectin because she was afraid of covid.  She killed her liver and nearly died.  She has now had a liver transplant and we're all waiting to see if it takes.

A friend of my daughter's got covid and was so sick he figured he's be dead in a few days.  He figure he didn't have anything to lose, so he took a SHEEP-sized dose of ivermectin.  He recovered in about three days.

Dosage seems to be the key.  The amount that cures and the amount that kills is very nearly the same.  Be careful out there.

Doug

After thinking about this for a bit it just makes me sad that you are the one who posted it. 

[Doug1066]

7 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

And now you are spreading false relationships between covid and ivermectin.

Ivermectin is an anti-viral.  It may have benefits against covid, but research has not established that or what the dose would be for a human.  Better not to risk it if you don't have to.

Ivermectin is the active ingredient in my dogs' heartworm medicine.  It would probably cure you of worms.

Doug

[OpenMindedSceptic]

What do we know now:

Masks did nothing to stop spread.

The vaccine continues to cause incalculable numberssof deaths or worse.

The people at risk from what is a minnow of a virus, can be calculated with ease and can decide to isolate.

It was a planned BS PR stunt which is why the British PM set up a fund that invested in Moderna a yesr or two earlier and key health adviser had £0.5M in GSK. 

Graphene is indeed in the jabs.

Myocarditis has ballooned as a factor for deaths in previously healthy people around the world.

The so called conspiracy theorists were more accurate than the science and no, the science hasn't changed you bunch of scam artists.

Billy Gates is prepping for another major virus. He is an IT guy, not a doctor. But, it does show that corona was a dry run for a bigger scam. 

It also proved scientists and doctors are as useless as politicians once they taste power.

[+Desertrat56]

7 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

Ivermectin is an anti-viral.  It may have benefits against covid, but research has not established that or what the dose would be for a human.  Better not to risk it if you don't have to.

Ivermectin is the active ingredient in my dogs' heartworm medicine.  It would probably cure you of worms.

Doug

It is NOT an anti-viral, it is an anti parasitic.   It was designed to kill parasites.   Why do you think it is used for horses, sheep and dogs?  To kill parasites.  It's original use was for humans in africa.    Heartworm is a parasite, not a virus.  Worms are parasites!

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Desertrat56

[zep73]

5 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

What do we know now:

Masks did nothing to stop spread.

The vaccine continues to cause incalculable numberssof deaths or worse.

The people at risk from what is a minnow of a virus, can be calculated with ease and can decide to isolate.

It was a planned BS PR stunt which is why the British PM set up a fund that invested in Moderna a yesr or two earlier and key health adviser had £0.5M in GSK. 

Graphene is indeed in the jabs.

Myocarditis has ballooned as a factor for deaths in previously healthy people around the world.

The so called conspiracy theorists were more accurate than the science and no, the science hasn't changed you bunch of scam artists.

Billy Gates is prepping for another major virus. He is an IT guy, not a doctor. But, it does show that corona was a dry run for a bigger scam. 

It also proved scientists and doctors are as useless as politicians once they taste power.

It seems you were so openminded that your brain fell out. Better pick it up before someone steps on it. And stop the BS please. It stinks!

[+Desertrat56]

1 minute ago, zep73 said:

It seems you were so openminded that your brain fell out. Better pick it up before someone steps on it. And stop the BS please. It stinks!

I thought that a long time ago and decided to put him on ignore.

[Scholar4Truth]

7 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

What do we know now:

Masks did nothing to stop spread.

The vaccine continues to cause incalculable numberssof deaths or worse.

The people at risk from what is a minnow of a virus, can be calculated with ease and can decide to isolate.

It was a planned BS PR stunt which is why the British PM set up a fund that invested in Moderna a yesr or two earlier and key health adviser had £0.5M in GSK. 

Graphene is indeed in the jabs.

Myocarditis has ballooned as a factor for deaths in previously healthy people around the world.

The so called conspiracy theorists were more accurate than the science and no, the science hasn't changed you bunch of scam artists.

Billy Gates is prepping for another major virus. He is an IT guy, not a doctor. But, it does show that corona was a dry run for a bigger scam. 

It also proved scientists and doctors are as useless as politicians once they taste power.

1. Mask did work, it was not 100% effective but it was what we had at the moment as we were learning about the virus. Also doctors/surgeons wear mask all the time with no issues. https://www.quora.com/How-long-does-a-surgeon-wear-a-mask-for-and-how-often-do-they-touch-their-faces-whilst-wearing-one

2. One again your basing this off the VAERS system. Which if you look into it people can post anything on there. They have to be weighed on a case by case basis.

3. A minnow? 684 millon who died is not a minnow of a virus. 

4.PR stunt where is your proof? 

5.Graphene in the jabs? again provide evidence.

6. They never hid that Myocarditis could be a side effect, and again these incidents need to be weighed on a case by case bases.

7. The CT's were right? lets check that shall we? 

They claimed we would never get rid of mask mandates in the US or worldwide which we see is not the case 
https://katu.com/news/local/mask-mandate-to-be-lifted-next-monday-in-health-care-settings
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/01/31/world/uk-plans-scrap-mandatory-covid-vaccines-health-workers/
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/01/1077300788/south-africa-covid-isolation-restrictions
https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/switzerland-to-end-most-covid-restrictions-including-vaccine-passports-later-this-month/
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/denmark-lifts-several-covid-19-travel-restrictions/

I can list off many other things they have said that were proven false but that is enough to show their claims are baseless.

8. Where is the proof Gates is prepping people for another virus?

9. But yet you listen to the doctors who say Covid is not real or vaccines do not work. How do you know they are not doing the same things you accuse the former of?

All in all you are just repeating the same points over and over. You make claims but do not provide any sources. At least try and back them up.
 

[Doug1066]

14 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

It is NOT an anti-viral, it is an anti parasitic.   It was designed to kill parasites.   Why do you think it is used for horses, sheep and dogs?  To kill parasites.  It's original use was for humans in africa.    Heartworm is a parasite, not a virus.  Worms are parasites!

 

https://www.ajol.info/index.php/ajcem/article/view/209853

Doug

[+Desertrat56]

1 hour ago, Doug1066 said:

https://www.ajol.info/index.php/ajcem/article/view/209853

Doug

Before I click the link, what does ajol stand for?