Trump sending a coded message to the far-right with the location of next rally: experts

[+OverSword]

4 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I'm not really seeing where this article is supporting your stance that the government caused the fire ?

 

I saw this.  But even this looks in support that the FBI didn't cause the fire.

 

For me what it really comes down to is I watched the official story change and adjust in real time so much for a few weeks after the fire that I just eventually figured the official story was fiction.  I'll never change my mind, they f'ed this up from day one and falsified evidence to cover their ass as far as I'm concerned.  Did you know Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?  They proved it. 

[+Paranoid Android]

3 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The siege was for 51 days. And eventually the cultist started a fire. Probably as a mass suicide thing (unwilling suicide for many of them).

If the FBI didn't act at that point then they also would have been criticized for it.

 

 

51 days is 1/7th of a year. Nearly 2 months. The siege started on February 28 and ended on April 19. Do you really believe holding a rally as one stop on his campaign trail during that 51-day window is evidence of an appeal to far right extremists? It wasn't even on the anniversary, just a random day in that near-2 month window! 

I agree with you about the relative cases, it was a s*** show regardless of what they did.  

[WVK]

On 3/22/2023 at 12:08 AM, MGB said:

In all honesty Trump is sick. Look up Narcissism and tell me if he does not exhibit every single sign.

• Grandiosity and overestimates their worth and abilities
• Belief of being ‘special’ and that only other ‘special’ people are worth time and energy
• Fanaticizes about success and their own brilliance as well as other personal qualifications that are special
• Needs constant admiration
• Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., believing that they are so special, others should give them favorable treatment
• Exploits others, i.e., takes advantage of people as their right to do so
• Typically arrogant and self-serving and patronizing of others
• Lacks empathy, i.e., doesn’t have compassion for others and doesn’t understand these feelings of others
• Envious of others although they won’t show this and also believes that others are envious of them.

https://reachoutrecovery.com/9-traits-of-narcissism/

 

But I expect nothing but laugh emojis from several in here, and not, yeah, maybe Trump is sick.

Hmm  that reminds me of another guy named Barry, aka Obama 

[Grim Reaper 6]

8 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

You haven't been to Waco recently have you.

I have never been to WACO, I don’t understand what the fascination is with WACO!

[spartan max2]

1 hour ago, Paranoid Android said:

51 days is 1/7th of a year. Nearly 2 months. The siege started on February 28 and ended on April 19. Do you really believe holding a rally as one stop on his campaign trail during that 51-day window is evidence of an appeal to far right extremists? It wasn't even on the anniversary, just a random day in that near-2 month window! 

I agree with you about the relative cases, it was a s*** show regardless of what they did.  

You bring up a good point. That is a broad range of time.

I guess the question is if it's typical for politicians to have rallys there this time of year? If so then it is a bit of a stretch to call Trump out on it 

Edited March 23 by spartan max2

[Grim Reaper 6]

30 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

You bring up a good point. That is a broad range of time.

I guess the question is if it's typical for politicians to have rallys there this time of year? If so then it is a bit of a stretch to call Trump out on it 

Yea, I suppose it’s typical that politicians in a Presidential race visit and have Rallies in little podunk little towns. I mean that sounds legitimate so maybe it makes sense that there are good reasons to pick WACO as a first stop on the 2024 campaign!

JIMHO

[spartan max2]

2 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Yea, I suppose it’s typical that politicians in a Presidential race visit and have Rallies in little podunk little towns. I mean that sounds legitimate so maybe it makes sense that there are good reasons to pick WACO as a first stop on the 2024 campaign!

JIMHO

That's why I'm asking. 

If it's a normal stop then sure. But I don't recall any other presidential candidates having rallies there this time of year.

But maybe others remember a time 

[+Paranoid Android]

57 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

You bring up a good point. That is a broad range of time.

I guess the question is if it's typical for politicians to have rallys there this time of year? If so then it is a bit of a stretch to call Trump out on it 

Presumably each individual would choose their own schedule. Trump has the additional logistics of declaring so early for 2024.  For example,  Ron DeSantis hasn't even declared (that I know of) so he's not having any rallies at all, even though he's Trump's biggest threat for the Republican nominee. But if DeSantis was running, he would likely be choosing his own schedule too.

Thus,  my guess is that it's not "typical" to hold it there, but that it's not "atypical" either,  as there is no set standard for what a typical politician would do. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

39 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

That's why I'm asking. 

If it's a normal stop then sure. But I don't recall any other presidential candidates having rallies there this time of year.

But maybe others remember a time 

It’s certainly not a normal stop, there is nothing there except a shrine to the event in 1993, Politically there is no reason to stop there. Waco has become a pilgrimage site for far RightWing Extremism, that the only thing that has kept Waco on the map. So, there is only one reason for Trump to choose Waco for a Rally, please don’t allow the political Rhetoric people are pushing in this thread confuse you.

Take care Spartan 

Waco Is Now a Pilgrimage Site for the Patriot Movement: https://time.com/6258429/waco-pilgrimage-site/

The Rise of Right-Wing Politics, the Waco Siege, and the Response of American Law Enforcement: https://quo-vademus.org/turning-point-the-rise-of-right-wing-politics-the-waco-siege-and-the-response-of-american-law-enforcement/

[Tatetopa]

I think the birthplace of Dr. Pepper is Waco.    There is still be a Dr. Pepper Museum there. As a kid, we got a drink at the plant and a six pack to take home.  Good times for 11 an year old.

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

It’s certainly not a normal stop, there is nothing there except a shrine to the event in 1993, Politically there is no reason to stop there. Waco has become a pilgrimage site for far RightWing Extremism, that the only thing that has kept Waco on the map. So, there is only one reason for Trump to choose Waco for a Rally, please don’t allow the political Rhetoric people are pushing in this thread confuse you.

I was taking this with a grain of salt until I started seeing Trumps posts and videos.  Calling a DA an animal and human scum (recognize that Nazi talk?) and the office as worse than the Gestapo is getting absolutely clear.  The capper was his picture holding a baseball bat next to a picture of Alvin Bragg.  Pretty obvious, and so vocal about tying him to George Soros the Jewish Boogey Man to Conservative America. 

Trump may not personally know about Waco, but his genius is in media and messaging.  His people did not set this up blindly, it is too great an opportunity for photo ops and sound bites.  With the right kind of crowd there, he might be able to spin off a  loud, newsworthy, recruiting video.

JMO as I am aware, I don't personally know the  former president.  He seems to be running out of options.

Bluffing and legal delays are running out.  Trump is a master at using the court system to his advantage, but he is fast running out of stalls.

Congress and governors may not be much help.  Congress had no Constitutional right to attempt to interfere in the operation of a  State  Justice Department .  

New York is gonna hit, and Georgia too, another perfect phone call.  Looks like Evan Corcoran is being forced to testify under the crime fraud exception. Corcoran can save his own butt by telling the Grand Jury that Trump instructed him to tell the DOJ that all documents were back from Mar-a-Lago. Obstruction.  Not No Obstruction, but Obstruction this time.  One big option left for Trump is to follow in the footsteps of past dictators  and  overthrow the government.  There is really no lessor goal that will bring him safety, and if he is afraid enough, he will try it.

Of course it could all blow  right over, so I won't lose any sleep thinking they got him this time.  I might even sleep better than DJT.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

I was taking this with a grain of salt until I started seeing Trumps posts and videos.  Calling a DA an animal and human scum (recognize that Nazi talk?) and the office as worse than the Gestapo is getting absolutely clear.  The capper was his picture holding a baseball bat next to a picture of Alvin Bragg.  Pretty obvious, and so vocal about tying him to George Soros the Jewish Boogey Man to Conservative America. 

Trump may not personally know about Waco, but his genius is in media and messaging.  His people did not set this up blindly, it is too great an opportunity for photo ops and sound bites.  With the right kind of crowd there, he might be able to spin off a  loud, newsworthy, recruiting video.

I think there is little doubt that Trump is aware of what happened in Waco. It was a siege that ended in the deaths of 25 children and 51 adults for a total of 76. Tate, we both know that Trump has aligned himself with the Fer RightWing Extremist elements of the Republican Party starting in 2017 in the very beginning of his Presidency which only got stronger during his Presidency and culminating in  the 6 January insurrection. Tate, the purpose of Trumps Rally in Waco is very obvious, anyone who denies the purpose is doing so in a disingenuous manner.

There is no political purpose for Trumps choice to start his Presidential Run in Waco except to intentionally cater to the Far RightWing Conservative Extremists of the Republican Part and Far RightWing Extremism in general. By the time this rally is finished Far RightWing Extremism elements NationWide will be fired up and before the 2024 election violence will occur. Especially when Trump is indicted on the criminal charges that face him. Again, anyone who makes light of this or denies it are doing two things. Intentionally being disingenuous and supporting Trump directly by intentionally spreading disinformation and propaganda.

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

JMO as I am aware, I don't personally know the  former president.  He seems to be running out of options.

Bluffing and legal delays are running out.  Trump is a master at using the court system to his advantage, but he is fast running out of stalls.

Congress and governors may not be much help.  Congress had no Constitutional right to attempt to interfere in the operation of a  State  Justice Department.

I totally agree with you Tate, he has run out of moves to make, and that’s another reason why he has chosen Waco. This will give him the muscle he needs to cause violence to erupt across America. 

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

New York is gonna hit, and Georgia too, another perfect phone call.  Looks like Evan Corcoran is being forced to testify under the crime fraud exception. Corcoran can save his own butt by telling the Grand Jury that Trump instructed him to tell the DOJ that all documents were back from Mar-a-Lago. Obstruction.  Not No Obstruction, but Obstruction this time.  One big option left for Trump is to follow in the footsteps of past dictators  and  overthrow the government.  There is really no lessor goal that will bring him safety, and if he is afraid enough, he will try it. Of course it could all blow  right over, so I won't lose any sleep thinking they got him this time.  I might even sleep better than DJT.

I wouldn’t lose any sleep over any of this, because the Government can see based upon Trumps practices what his motivation is for this rally in Waco. So, I doubt that Trump and his minions will have a chance of winning, but they can certainly cause some serious damage through rioting across the country. I expect the usual individuals will attack my comments here and Tate my friend that’s fine with me. But, mark my words this Rally in Waco is a key part of his bigger agenda and it should be very obvious to anyone paying attention. If, the rally is televised I would recommend watching it. I am going too, because his entire agenda will become very clear based upon the political rhetoric that Trump and his speakers put out to his base,

Take Care Tate.

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

 

 

Edited March 24 by Grim Reaper 6

[Grim Reaper 6]

The infamous Texas town hosting Trump's rally

With the spectre of criminal charges hanging over his third bid for the White House, Donald Trump has scheduled a massive rally in Texas this weekend. The campaign event, planned for Saturday, marks the former president's return to a traditionally conservative state in which he remains very popular. But his decision to hold the rally in Waco - best known for an armed standoff 30 years ago - has raised eyebrows. 

The raid also had an impact on far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who - as a young radio host in 1998 - organised a campaign to rebuild the Branch Davidians' chapel as a memorial to those who had died. Mr Jones was among the most prominent early voices to back Mr Trump in his 2016 presidential campaign. 

Waco still resonates in this anti-government space as something that shows the federal government doesn't protect people, is out to violate their civil rights, is out to take their guns," Ms Beirich said."Nowadays that very much feeds into the 'deep state' conspiracies that we see on the far-right; the attacks on the FBI; the idea that federal law enforcement is a weapon of Democratic presidents."

Mr Trump has often drawn on these frustrations, painting himself as the victim of a secret cabal of government operatives and effectively tearing down the walls that separated the mainstream Republican Party from its more extremist and radical fringes. The former president's sense of victimhood has only intensified since he left office. His conspiracies about the 2020 election still abound and he has framed the legal action he is facing on multiple fronts as an effort to destroy him

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-infamous-texas-town-hosting-trump-s-rally/ar-AA193jCZ?cvid=04e2416fa7094b589728cebd07234126&ei=26

[Grim Reaper 6]

 

 

[+Desertrat56]

On 3/23/2023 at 4:11 PM, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I have never been to WACO, I don’t understand what the fascination is with WACO!

It is where Candeliza Rice ordered the FBI to go into a religious compound and kill everyone, including the children.   A lot of children died and that caused an uproar and Rice eventually lost her job.   David Koresh was threatening the government and he and the men in the group had huge stockpiles of weapons.  There could have been a more graceful way to take him out but it was anniahilation of everyone in the compound without checking to see if they were there voluntarily.

But my comment was about the current environment and attitudes of the people in Waco.

Edited March 27 by Desertrat56

[darkmoonlady]

It was bullets instead of flavor aid with poison. Koresh wanted it to go down like that. Cult leader paint themselves into a corner predicting that they're chosen by God and the end of the world is coming. When it doesn't they have to keep control and they do it by suicide or suicide by law enforcement. 

That Trumps team would go there to evoke more anti government hostility and gather like minded folk from around Texas by holding it there is gross and exploitative. 

[+Desertrat56]

1 hour ago, darkmoonlady said:

It was bullets instead of flavor aid with poison. Koresh wanted it to go down like that. Cult leader paint themselves into a corner predicting that they're chosen by God and the end of the world is coming. When it doesn't they have to keep control and they do it by suicide or suicide by law enforcement. 

That Trumps team would go there to evoke more anti government hostility and gather like minded folk from around Texas by holding it there is gross and exploitative. 

If he thinks that is what he will find in Waco he may be dissapointed.   Yes, everyone all over the country was angry at how the FBI did things, but that group was scary.   That group had nothing to do with or in common with the people who actually live in Waco.

[Michelle]

14 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

That group had nothing to do with or in common with the people who actually live in Waco.

Of course they weren't. The people who don't know that shouldn't display their ignorance about Texas.

[Portre]

On 3/23/2023 at 4:31 AM, el midgetron said:

If a black man dies at the hands of law enforcement, it’s a stain on America. If dozens of women and children die by the hands of law enforcement it’s totally justified.

That would be an unarmed black man vs. a heavily armed cult.

Yet again, you're whataboutisms compare an apple to a large, fat, flatulent orange blob.

[Portre]

Trump sending a coded message to the far-right...

It wasn't a coded message; it was clear to everyone:  One cult leader showing respect to another.

[Gromdor]

2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

It is where Candeliza Rice ordered the FBI to go into a religious compound and kill everyone, including the children.   A lot of children died and that caused an uproar and Rice eventually lost her job.   David Koresh was threatening the government and he and the men in the group had huge stockpiles of weapons.  There could have been a more graceful way to take him out but it was anniahilation of everyone in the compound without checking to see if they were there voluntarily.

But my comment was about the current environment and attitudes of the people in Waco.

That's not quite how it happened.  We have had a special council appointed to investigate it and this is what they concluded: The Siege at Waco: What Happened According to People There (biography.com)

The FBI smuggled bugs in with a milk delivery and was able to record them talking about setting the fires: How the Branch Davidians set the fires for a self-fulfilling prophecy of their doomsday (dallasnews.com)

 

As a note:  Everyone seems to forget that a bunch of the charges against David Koresh was over his 20 some-ish wives including minors and this all started when there was a shoot out during the intial raid that killed 4 ATF agents and 6 Branch Davidians.

[+Desertrat56]

12 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

That's not quite how it happened.  We have had a special council appointed to investigate it and this is what they concluded: The Siege at Waco: What Happened According to People There (biography.com)

The FBI smuggled bugs in with a milk delivery and was able to record them talking about setting the fires: How the Branch Davidians set the fires for a self-fulfilling prophecy of their doomsday (dallasnews.com)

 

As a note:  Everyone seems to forget that a bunch of the charges against David Koresh was over his 20 some-ish wives including minors and this all started when there was a shoot out during the intial raid that killed 4 ATF agents and 6 Branch Davidians.

It was a long time ago so I didn't remember the details.   However my original point was that the people in Waco are not Branch Davidians or Anti government, so the florida man is not going to find any larger support there by locals (many people may travel from all over to converge there for him, but not as many as he thinks).  Voting Republican does not mean pro-florida man.

Edited March 27 by Desertrat56

[+Paranoid Android]

10 hours ago, Portre said:

That would be an unarmed black man vs. a heavily armed cult.

That is usually single-digit figures each year in the entire United States! For example, in 2020, out of 42 million African-Americans only 9 of them were killed by police while unarmed. So Tiny Ron is quite right to question the manufactured outrage. However, I don't think comparing this to Waco is accurate, and I'm not supporting anything that happened there by posting what I am doing here. 

[Portre]

On 3/23/2023 at 4:16 PM, spartan max2 said:

That's why I'm asking. 

If it's a normal stop then sure. But I don't recall any other presidential candidates having rallies there this time of year.

But maybe others remember a time 

Reminds me of Reagan's visit to Philadelphia, Miss in 1980.

[preacherman76]

On 3/22/2023 at 7:33 PM, lightly said:

Trump is 

yes, trump is an emotional and intellectual cripple.  When Dick Cheney calls him the most dangerous threat to the country. .that should tell you something. ?   trump is crazy enough to actually attempt a revolutionary coup!  He would rule the world if enough people would support him that far,   luckily, there just aren’t enough people that crazy or stupid.    Goodbye Donald.

Yea indeed it should tell you something. Being that Dick Cheney is a sold out war mongering globalist POS, it should tell us anyone he is against is probably the good guy.