Christian who escaped Chinese persecution warns US descending into 'communist-style of governance'

[Michelle]

3 minutes ago, odas said:

And those guys who are scaring you about US being on the way of communism, well, they know how fear tactics work. They are taking advantage to lift themselfs up. They know. They learned it in communism.

Yeah, that's what the paranoid illegal immigrants, who live in the neighborhood around our shop, are doing when they tell us horror stories about their countries. 

[simplybill]

24 minutes ago, HandsomeGorilla said:

Here's what BLM said about nuclear families, of course it was purposefully misinterpreted by many.

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable," it says on the page titled "What we believe."

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/

 

 

No offense, HG, but that article is nothing more than Leftist propaganda being used to support a viewpoint that is itself untenable. The Radical Left is notorious for creating a crisis where there is no crisis.

 Here’s a perfect example from your link:

“Black Lives Matter has essentially said the nuclear family is untenable and that extended families provide the necessary support to take care of one another, said Nadia Brown, a political science and African American studies professor at Purdue University and co-editor of the book "The Politics of Protest: Readings on the Black Lives Matter Movement.  For example, if both parents work outside the home and a child gets sick, who will care for the child while also earning an income? Having a grandparent or another adult in the home who assists with care responsibilities lessens the burdens on the parents to both work and care for the children.”

When in the history of mankind has that not been an option for families? Nearly every family I’ve ever known has an extended social network that can help in times of need. The families that don’t have that option have the option to apply for government assistance with childcare. 

[Tatetopa]

15 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Yeah, that's what the paranoid illegal immigrants, who live in the neighborhood around our shop, are doing when they tell us horror stories about their countries. 

Chinese and Russian illegal immigrants?

[HandsomeGorilla]

4 minutes ago, simplybill said:

No offense, HG, but that article is nothing more than Leftist propaganda being used to support a viewpoint that is itself untenable. The Radical Left is notorious for creating a crisis where there is no crisis.

 Here’s a perfect example from your link:

“Black Lives Matter has essentially said the nuclear family is untenable and that extended families provide the necessary support to take care of one another, said Nadia Brown, a political science and African American studies professor at Purdue University and co-editor of the book "The Politics of Protest: Readings on the Black Lives Matter Movement.  For example, if both parents work outside the home and a child gets sick, who will care for the child while also earning an income? Having a grandparent or another adult in the home who assists with care responsibilities lessens the burdens on the parents to both work and care for the children.”

When in the history of mankind has that not been an option for families? Nearly every family I’ve ever known has an extended social network that can help in times of need. The families that don’t have that option have the option to apply for government assistance with childcare. 

Then what the hell is your argument?! Jfc I knew I'd regret this.

Lay off the day drinking...

Edited March 22, 2023 by HandsomeGorilla

[HSlim]

2 minutes ago, HandsomeGorilla said:

Then what the hell is your argument?! Jfc I knew I'd regret this.

Lay off the day drinking...

I can just picture this guy standing in Woolworth's in Greensboro, NC in 1960 screaming at the black kids for having the audacity to sit at the lunch counter.   

I love the ignore option.  Just sayin'. 

Edited March 22, 2023 by HSlim

[spartan max2]

7 minutes ago, simplybill said:

No offense, HG, but that article is nothing more than Leftist propaganda being used to support a viewpoint that is itself untenable. The Radical Left is notorious for creating a crisis where there is no crisis.

 Here’s a perfect example from your link:

“Black Lives Matter has essentially said the nuclear family is untenable and that extended families provide the necessary support to take care of one another, said Nadia Brown, a political science and African American studies professor at Purdue University and co-editor of the book "The Politics of Protest: Readings on the Black Lives Matter Movement.  For example, if both parents work outside the home and a child gets sick, who will care for the child while also earning an income? Having a grandparent or another adult in the home who assists with care responsibilities lessens the burdens on the parents to both work and care for the children.”

When in the history of mankind has that not been an option for families? Nearly every family I’ve ever known has an extended social network that can help in times of need. The families that don’t have that option have the option to apply for government assistance with childcare. 

BLM as an organization is ****. I recall their owner also bought a mansion from donations they got.

My point is that the organization is a separate thing from the mass protest and movement called BLM. 

For the vast majority of people the specific organization meant little to them. It was about police brutality and police reform.

Edited March 22, 2023 by spartan max2

[+OverSword]

7 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

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If guy who escaped commie China is concerned over stuff happening in US, I'd say situation isn't good...

To be fair I personally know people that have escaped communism in Southeast Asia that are also concerned about this.  

[+OverSword]

5 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

The American left uses their freedom of speech to criticize.  The CCP throw you in jail if you say something they don't like.  That is strikingly dissimilar.

And I have seen people that lean left on this very site call for that more than once while trump was in power.  Just sayin'.

[Gummug]

5 hours ago, Zebra3 said:

"We will take America without firing a shot ... we will bury you!

"We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.

"We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within."

Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev.

Joe McCarthy (I think... hope I have the name right) was practically excoriated for his "witch hunts" but it turns out he was right all along...

[HSlim]

6 minutes ago, Gummug said:

Joe McCarthy (I think... hope I have the name right) was practically excoriated for his "witch hunts" but it turns out he was right all along...

Wow dude.  I don't think I've ever actually seen someone defend McCarthyism.    I've got some oceanfront property in Iowa I'd love to sell you, considering you seem to be in the bull**** buying business.

Edited March 22, 2023 by HSlim

[+Liquid Gardens]

1 hour ago, simplybill said:

Yes. 

Any evidence?  Here's the Black Lives Matter site as of January 2016, feel free to point out the Marxist ideals:

http://web.archive.org/web/20160108171736/http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/

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No offense, HG, but that article is nothing more than Leftist propaganda being used to support a viewpoint that is itself untenable. The Radical Left is notorious for creating a crisis where there is no crisis.

It's like you don't even realize what thread you're on, where the right are again freaking out because someone said the US is descending into communism, something that is definitely not a crisis. 

What then is the source of your claim, if what HG posted isn't it, that BLM wants to 'dismantle the nuclear family', meaning that it supports kids not having fathers which you linked to?  HG's quote notes that BLM says the opposite, that the nuclear family is not enough, not that it should be disbanded as you implied.  You seem to be claiming that 'BLM' is saying something about the family that they are not, so where are you getting your interpretation from?

[HSlim]

2 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Any evidence?  Here's the Black Lives Matter site as of January 2016, feel free to point out the Marxist ideals:

http://web.archive.org/web/20160108171736/http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/

It's like you don't even realize what thread you're on, where the right are again freaking out because someone said the US is descending into communism, something that is definitely not a crisis. 

What then is the source of your claim, if what HG posted isn't it, that BLM wants to 'dismantle the nuclear family', meaning that it supports kids not having fathers which you linked to?  HG's quote notes that BLM says the opposite, that the nuclear family is not enough, not that it should be disbanded as you implied.  You seem to be claiming that 'BLM' is saying something about the family that they are not, so where are you getting your interpretation from?

1950s mentality?

[+Liquid Gardens]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

And I have seen people that lean left on this very site call for that more than once while trump was in power.  Just sayin'.

Who here said Trump should be jailed merely for something he said? 

[+OverSword]

16 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Who here said Trump should be jailed merely for something he said? 

Not trump.  While trump was in power.  Some hate speech thread, several people chimed in for support of having jailable speech.  Possibly in a thread about Canada's required pronoun speech laws.

[Tatetopa]

OK, I can admit to being wrong.  According to Bob Fu, we have been cracking down on Christian churches.  So, what does that look like?

[HSlim]

31 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

OK, I can admit to being wrong.  According to Bob Fu, we have been cracking down on Christian churches.  So, what does that look like?

One would think it would look like churches paying taxes for starters

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

OK, I can admit to being wrong.  According to Bob Fu, we have been cracking down on Christian churches.  So, what does that look like?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/todd-starnes-california-dems-prepare-for-crackdown-on-churches

 

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by OverSword

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/todd-starnes-california-dems-prepare-for-crackdown-on-churches

 

 

So, gay conversion therapy would be consumer fraud if churches charge money for it?  

[spartan max2]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/todd-starnes-california-dems-prepare-for-crackdown-on-churches

 

 

Seems fine to me TBH

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Assembly Bill 2943, authored by Democratic Assemblyman Evan Low, would utilize the state’s existing consumer fraud statute to classify gay conversion therapy as a fraudulent practice.

Religious freedom shouldn't mean you can abuse people 

[Gummug]

10 hours ago, OverSword said:

To be fair I personally know people that have escaped communism in Southeast Asia that are also concerned about this.  

My landlord (ess) is from Vietnam and she is definitely concerned... my neighbor has a friend from Vietnam also who is likewise very concerned...

[Raptor Witness]

18 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

…. he's seeing the same tactics in Western nations that the CCP uses to crack down on churches.

So let’s see the evidence….

[odas]

17 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Chinese and Russian illegal immigrants?

Cannot get myself to even answer to her post.

[+OverSword]

12 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Seems fine to me TBH

Religious freedom shouldn't mean you can abuse people 

The Supreme Court seems to disagree. I haven’t read that for a while but it seems there was more to it than that one thing.

[spartan max2]

8 minutes ago, OverSword said:

The Supreme Court seems to disagree. I haven’t read that for a while but it seems there was more to it than that one thing.

Did the supreme court rule on it already?

I imagine the devil could be in the details around difficulty defining conversion therapy 

Edit: for me this falls under the same logic of how religious freedom dosen't mean you can marry of your 13 year old daughter or stone someone for sinning.

Edited March 23, 2023 by spartan max2

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

Did the supreme court rule on it already?

I imagine the devil could be in the details around difficulty defining conversion therapy 

Edit: for me this falls under the same logic of how religious freedom dosen't mean you can marry of your 13 year old daughter or stone someone for sinning.

I'm by no means advocating for conversion therapy but you can probably do a google search and find testimony from people that have gone through it that swear they are no longer gay and happier.  Regardless if there is no illegal means of persuasion or physical harm taking place then it's not really the governments business imo.  I'm not sure the argument against conversion therapy is much different than arguments concerning trans therapy that you do support.  You have your idea of some messed up thing occurring like coercion is taking place to convert a homosexual and the people that argue against you think small children are in a cult like situation and pushed to be trans at too young an age.

Edited March 23, 2023 by OverSword