Eldorado Posted March 24 #1 Share Posted March 24 Men who wolf-whistle or make sexual remarks to women will face prosecution for street harassment even if they believe it is a compliment or a joke, under legal changes announced by Suella Braverman. The Home Secretary is to toughen a proposed new street harassment law so that potential offenders cannot escape prosecution by claiming they did not realise their behaviour amounted to harassment. The new Bill, due for its final report stage in the House of Commons on Friday, will make it an offence to cause “intentional harassment, alarm or distress” to a person in public based on their sex. Offenders will face a maximum of two years in jail. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/wolf-whistling-to-be-made-illegal-and-claiming-it-s-a-joke-won-t-be-any-excuse/ar-AA1906mo? 2 1 1 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted March 24 #2 Share Posted March 24 3 hours ago, Eldorado said: The Home Secretary is to toughen a proposed new street harassment law so that potential offenders cannot escape prosecution by claiming they did not realise their behaviour amounted to harassment. The new Bill, due for its final report stage in the House of Commons on Friday, will make it an offence to cause “intentional harassment, alarm or distress” to a person in public based on their sex. Offenders will face a maximum of two years in jail. That sounds typical of our government. Complete contradiction. Mind, I doubt the HS has the faintest idea what the legislation says or is even for. Unless her mummy is there to tell her. 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted March 25 #3 Share Posted March 25 Can we have an equal law that also protects men, in these cases? What’s stopping a woman from making sexually aggressive remarks towards men? 5 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TashaMarie Posted March 25 #4 Share Posted March 25 From the article: This means anyone who catcalls, wolf-whistles or makes a pass or sexual comment towards a woman that a “reasonable” person would feel amounts to harassment will no longer be able to claim it was meant as a compliment or joke. Police will be issued with guidance so they can enforce the law. Who gets to decide what is reasonable? 4 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Scooter Posted March 25 #5 Share Posted March 25 On 3/24/2023 at 10:11 AM, Eldorado said: Men who wolf-whistle or make sexual remarks to women will face prosecution for street harassment even if they believe it is a compliment or a joke, under legal changes announced by Suella Braverman. The Home Secretary is to toughen a proposed new street harassment law so that potential offenders cannot escape prosecution by claiming they did not realise their behaviour amounted to harassment. The new Bill, due for its final report stage in the House of Commons on Friday, will make it an offence to cause “intentional harassment, alarm or distress” to a person in public based on their sex. Offenders will face a maximum of two years in jail. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/wolf-whistling-to-be-made-illegal-and-claiming-it-s-a-joke-won-t-be-any-excuse/ar-AA1906mo? Gone are the days when their mothers would teach the an appropriate put down. Such as a buy a magazine. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted March 25 #6 Share Posted March 25 4 hours ago, TashaMarie said: Who gets to decide what is reasonable? The "man on the Clapham omnibus". It is an old established principle of English law to establish what is reasonable. As the offence is punishable by imprisonment, a jury would get direction from a judge. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted March 25 #7 Share Posted March 25 8 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said: Can we have an equal law that also protects men, in these cases? What’s stopping a woman from making sexually aggressive remarks towards men? I'm sure it will provide protection for men too, but I think it is much rarer that this occurs. The same as there are much fewer cases of female police officers raping and murdering members of the public. Saying "what about women who do it?" distracts from the reality. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted March 25 #8 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Cookie Monster said: Gone are the days when their mothers would teach the an appropriate put down. Such as a buy a magazine. I can see your point, but the law is to protect women from harassment. Should schoolgirls need to be taught "put downs" to respond to men commenting directly or indirectly on their appearance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted March 25 #9 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, pellinore said: I'm sure it will provide protection for men too, but I think it is much rarer that this occurs. The same as there are much fewer cases of female police officers raping and murdering members of the public. Saying "what about women who do it?" distracts from the reality. How many male police officers raping and murdering members of the public? 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted March 25 #10 Share Posted March 25 10 minutes ago, bmk1245 said: How many male police officers raping and murdering members of the public? Too many imo:2,000 police officers accused of sexual misconduct in past four years | The Independent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted March 25 #11 Share Posted March 25 1 minute ago, pellinore said: Too many imo:2,000 police officers accused of sexual misconduct in past four years | The Independent How many of them were policewomen? I'd suspect not many men would complain about policewomen sexual misconduct... 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted March 25 #12 Share Posted March 25 12 minutes ago, bmk1245 said: How many of them were policewomen? I'd suspect not many men would complain about policewomen sexual misconduct... I get your point about fairness and equality. But I think most people would agree it is women more often than men who are subject to harassment. And I think it is related to the wider issue of women feeling unsafe going jogging after dark, and the case of Sarah Everard, etc, as sexual 'banter' is apparently rife among some police officers as well as some members of the public- I don't know, but I'll guess the majority are male. Wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted March 25 #13 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, pellinore said: I'm sure it will provide protection for men too, but I think it is much rarer that this occurs. The same as there are much fewer cases of female police officers raping and murdering members of the public. Saying "what about women who do it?" distracts from the reality. It still happens - not sure why the frequency matters. Men are raped less frequently than women, but it happens - the laws of rape still apply. IMO we shouldn't have gender-specific laws - that's my point. Edited March 25 by Nuclear Wessel 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted March 25 #14 Share Posted March 25 4 minutes ago, pellinore said: I get your point about fairness and equality. But I think most people would agree it is women more often than men who are subject to harassment. And I think it is related to the wider issue of women feeling unsafe going jogging after dark, and the case of Sarah Everard, etc, as sexual 'banter' is apparently rife among some police officers as well as some members of the public- I don't know, but I'll guess the majority are male. Wouldn't you? Good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted March 25 #15 Share Posted March 25 10 hours ago, Cookie Monster said: Gone are the days when their mothers would teach the an appropriate put down. Such as a buy a magazine. …or get a subscription to ******** 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted March 25 #16 Share Posted March 25 4 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said: It still happens - not sure why the frequency matters. Men are raped less frequently than women, but it happens - the laws of rape still apply. IMO we shouldn't have gender-specific laws - that's my point. Why not? Why can't we have things like female-only changing rooms, female-only toilets? A few decades ago railway stations had female-only waiting rooms. What is wrong with gender specific laws? Is it because it might offend men who identify as females? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted March 25 #17 Share Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, pellinore said: Why not? Why can't we have things like female-only changing rooms, female-only toilets? A few decades ago railway stations had female-only waiting rooms. What is wrong with gender specific laws? Is it because it might offend men who identify as females? No—my point is that we can’t have laws that apply to one gender, but not the other. It needs to equally apply to both. I’m for equality, not double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted March 26 #18 Share Posted March 26 19 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said: What’s stopping a woman from making sexually aggressive remarks towards men? Yeah I hate it when beautiful women tell me sternly they want to throw me around a bedroom. It happens so often I have PTSD from it. 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted March 26 #19 Share Posted March 26 Looks like construction worker's vocabulary is going to get cut in half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted March 26 #20 Share Posted March 26 None of our male friends have ever objected when I pat them on the butt, but I've never spoken to them in a lewd way. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted March 26 #21 Share Posted March 26 15 hours ago, TashaMarie said: Who gets to decide what is reasonable? yep.. Also- who gets to decide if the incident really happened!? A gang of builders working & one of them wolf whistles a female passing by. She complains & the gang says: 'no he didn't, she's lying' then what? What if a lesbian wolf whistles a female? Maximum of 2 years in prison!?! The world's going fekin mad. Well the UK is in this case.... This is what happens when idiots are in charge= well it's nothing new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Scooter Posted March 26 #22 Share Posted March 26 4 hours ago, Michelle said: None of our male friends have ever objected when I pat them on the butt, but I've never spoken to them in a lewd way. I have been sexually harassed at work before. Looking back over things I must admit if they are attractive women and have fun personalities then I let them get away with it. Okay, okay, I enjoy it. But when its a female colleague I cannot stand I tell them I`m not interested or refuse to engage with them. If they dont get the message I openly mock them until they go away. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted March 27 #23 Share Posted March 27 (edited) On 3/25/2023 at 4:46 PM, pellinore said: Too many imo:2,000 police officers accused of sexual misconduct in past four years | The Independent 'sexual misconduct' These days that could include paying a compliment, holding a door open or simply smiling. "Sexual harassment includes sitting in rooms with more male officers than women, says police chief" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/08/sexual-harassment-includes-sitting-rooms-male-officers-women/ Edited March 27 by itsnotoutthere 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted March 27 #24 Share Posted March 27 22 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: 'sexual misconduct' These days that could include paying a compliment, holding a door open or simply smiling. "Sexual harassment includes sitting in rooms with more male officers than women, says police chief" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/08/sexual-harassment-includes-sitting-rooms-male-officers-women/ Well, I agree if that's true, it is ridiculous. Do you have a link without the paywall?, it sounds interesting! 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted March 27 #25 Share Posted March 27 31 minutes ago, pellinore said: Well, I agree if that's true, it is ridiculous. Do you have a link without the paywall?, it sounds interesting! https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/sexual-harassment-includes-sitting-in-rooms-with-more-male-officers-than-women-says-police-chief/ar-AA11C6Yv?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=b5de1b6c8c624deaa9c32d4d1760f3a2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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