House Republicans continue GOP’s affront to law enforcement

[spartan max2]

7 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

If Trump told them to do it, that is a valid excuse (presidential order). If the excuse was not accepted it means that the judge did not accept that Trump told them to do it! 

I'm not sure what you mean by "excuse not accepted."

Like if Trump tells you that he wants you to kill someone, and you kill someone. You will be charged with murder. The crime is murder. The judge dosen't really care if someone told you or didn't tell you that they wanted you to do it 

[+Desertrat56]

8 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

If Trump told them to do it, that is a valid excuse (presidential order). If the excuse was not accepted it means that the judge did not accept that Trump told them to do it! 

Therefore it doesn't matter what they CLAIM. Their claim holds as much weight as the kid last week at school who tried to blame his friend for telling him to vandalise the boys toilets! 

Even the president is not allowed to tell people to break the law.  If he did and they followed his "orders" then they are still liable and will be punished.   They knowingly broke the law no matter Who they think told them to do it.   

[+Paranoid Android]

Fact is, Trump didn't tell anyone to break the law! Just because some CLAIMED he did, doesn't make it so! 

Best case scenario- they end up looking like the idiot kid who claimed his friend told him to vandalise the school toilets!

And that's the BEST option! If Trump didn't actually tell them to do it (he didn't) the options become far less sanitary for those who claimed Trump told them to do it

Edited April 6 by Paranoid Android

[psyche101]

 

[+Paranoid Android]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

I'm not sure what you mean by "excuse not accepted."

Like if Trump tells you that he wants you to kill someone, and you kill someone. You will be charged with murder. The crime is murder. The judge dosen't really care if someone told you or didn't tell you that they wanted you to do it 

 

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

Even the president is not allowed to tell people to break the law.  If he did and they followed his "orders" then they are still liable and will be punished.   They knowingly broke the law no matter Who they think told them to do it.   

Which begs the question why people fronting a judge thought this would be some kind of mitigating factor!!!! Have you thought maybe, just MAYBE, they are grasping for any excuse, no matter how tenuous, for their actions which they knew were wrong and did anyway! 

As Donald Trump clearly NEVER incited them to riot, these people are using fake excuses to try and weasel out of their own stupid actions! 

[spartan max2]

32 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

 

Which begs the question why people fronting a judge thought this would be some kind of mitigating factor!!!! Have you thought maybe, just MAYBE, they are grasping for any excuse, no matter how tenuous, for their actions which they knew were wrong and did anyway! 

As Donald Trump clearly NEVER incited them to riot, these people are using fake excuses to try and weasel out of their own stupid actions! 

You have some strong opinions for something you can't know.  Which begs the question of why you want so much for none of it to be Trump's responsibility.

Most people believe they are in the right. Everyone is right in their own mind. 

Some of them trying to make up excuses, sure. Seeing how the rioters left after Trump tweeted for them too, it's clear that many of them must of wanted to act in a way they thought Trump wanted. You can argue about what Trump wanted all day. But it's clear many rioters believed they were acting in accordance to his wishes.

And the oath keepers caching weapons in hotels to wait and help Trump when he declared martial law is a more extreme aspect of that.

Who wants to bet that if Trump wins he pardons Jan 6th rioters ?

Edited April 6 by spartan max2

[lightly]

10 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

 

Which begs the question why people fronting a judge thought this would be some kind of mitigating factor!!!! Have you thought maybe, just MAYBE, they are grasping for any excuse, no matter how tenuous, for their actions which they knew were wrong and did anyway! 

As Donald Trump clearly NEVER incited them to riot, these people are using fake excuses to try and weasel out of their own stupid actions! 

Who invited them to the “STOP The STEAL” rally, on election Ratification Day?  Who told them to “MARCH to the capitol?  Who told them to “FIGHT like hell”?  Who’s been telling them to “TAKE back our country”?  Who has been telling them to SAVE AMERICA ?     DONALD J. trump ..the same guy that tried to STEAL the election while his own people kept telling him he lost the election.   Where do you guess they all got the idea to do what they did…or were attempting to do ?    They are simply stating what they believe..

[spartan max2]

11 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Who wants to bet that if Trump wins he pardons Jan 6th rioters ?

Decided to look it up. Trump already said he would pardon them.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

Clearly Trump condones the storming of the capital.....

the question at this point is why in the world would the rioters not believe they did what Trump wanted them to. 

Edited April 6 by spartan max2

[Portre]

1 hour ago, Paranoid Android said:

Fact is, Trump didn't tell anyone to break the law! Just because some CLAIMED he did, doesn't make it so! 

Those who claimed His Flabbiness told them to break the law were the ones Big Orange Mass told to break the law. That kind of makes it so.

[+Paranoid Android]

2 hours ago, lightly said:

Who invited them to the “STOP The STEAL” rally, on election Ratification Day?  Who told them to “MARCH to the capitol?  Who told them to “FIGHT like hell”?  Who’s been telling them to “TAKE back our country”?  Who has been telling them to SAVE AMERICA ?     DONALD J. trump ..the same guy that tried to STEAL the election while his own people kept telling him he lost the election.   Where do you guess they all got the idea to do what they did…or were attempting to do ?    They are simply stating what they believe..

None of which is tantamount to telling them to riot!

[+Paranoid Android]

1 hour ago, Portre said:

Those who claimed His Flabbiness told them to break the law were the ones Big Orange Mass told to break the law. That kind of makes it so.

Then charge him with incitement! Oh whoops,  there'a no evidence of that, or is this another one of those "beginning of the end" moments where is just around the next corner (like it's been for the past 7 years or so). 

[lightly]

11 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

None of which is tantamount to telling them to riot!

Edited April 6 by lightly

[spartan max2]

11 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

None of which is tantamount to telling them to riot!

It's almost like Trump purposely skirts the line when he talks to keep out of legal trouble...

So what's your thoughts on Trump saying he will pardon Jan 6th rioters if he wins?

Seems like a pretty clear indication that he supports what they did. No law and order when it comes to his cult followers.

Edited April 6 by spartan max2

[+Desertrat56]

12 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

It's almost like Trump purposely skirts the line when he talks to keep out of legal trouble...

So what's your thoughts on Trump saying he will pardon Jan 6th rioters if he wins?

Seems like a pretty clear indication that he supports what they did. No law and order when it comes to his cult followers.

Luckily, he will not win.   The republican party may not seem like it, but they are done with him.

[Michelle]

5 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

So what's your thoughts on Trump saying he will pardon Jan 6th rioters if he wins?

Seems like a pretty clear indication that he supports what they did. No law and order when it comes to his cult followers.

What is the difference between what Trump said and politicians like Kamala and others encouraging people to donate to the bail funds for "peaceful protesters"? Seems like a clear indication they supported the burning, looting, rioting and murders. Most of them got off with just a slap on the wrist.

[spartan max2]

11 minutes ago, Michelle said:

What is the difference between what Trump said and politicians like Kamala and others encouraging people to donate to the bail funds for "peaceful protesters"? Seems like a clear indication they supported the burning, looting, rioting and murders. Most of them got off with just a slap on the wrist.

A bail fund isn't a pardon. While I don't like the fund Kamala wanted people to donate to, it's a little different.

The funds whole thing is that "wealth shouldn't be the difference between if you can pay bail or not". If you pay bail you still are getting charged with a crime. A pardon erases your crime. 

But yes IMO paying people's bail shows that you supported what they did. So it did show support to some of the rioters.

Just like Trump pardoning Jan 6th rioters shows he supports them storming the capital. 

The guy supporting his fanatic followers storming the capital to obstruct the election results is a larger threat to me. 

Edited April 6 by spartan max2

[Michelle]

9 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

The funds whole thing is that "wealth shouldn't be the difference between if you can pay bail or not". If you pay bail you still are getting charged with a crime. A pardon erases your crime.

The charges were dismissed for the vast majority. Most of the crimes committed were done by the white trust fund babies called antifa. BLM were furious when they came in from all over the country to wreak havoc. They stopped showing up to planned protests completely or left before dark because of antifa.

Edited April 6 by Michelle

[Portre]

12 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

Then charge him with incitement! Oh whoops,  there'a no evidence of that, or is this another one of those "beginning of the end" moments where is just around the next corner (like it's been for the past 7 years or so). 

You're so impatient. The investigation is continuing. We'll nail his bloated ass soon enough. 

[RavenHawk]

I’m looking at posts in a different light these days.  This one is just another example of unchecked TDS.  Let’s admit it, it is running rampant.  UM is not unique in this plague.  Not that it is growing (in fact I do think it is shrinking), but it is getting shriekingly louder from fewer malcontents.  There was something that just recently reminded me of something.  As I reflected on that a bit more, it’s becoming obvious why the TDS is so viscous.  And it has to do with falling away from GOD.  This nation was established on the belief in GOD.  The Founding Fathers were of all different sects but they all believed in the Supreme Creator.  When the house is emptied of GOD, something else replaces it (Parable of the Empty House).  And it has.  The Shedim has filled the house.  Ba’al, Ashtoreth, and Molech.  Molech was the epiphany for me.  The god of child sacrifice.  He has been here for a while but it wasn’t until recently that his presence is clear.  It started out with just abortion.  But now, we have an open border that allows child trafficking.  We have mutilation and sterilization (gender affirming care) and forcing children into drag queen events.  This is just one step from pedophilia in the open.  This part is not that hard to see going on today.  As it did in Germany in the 20s & 30s or even ancient Israel originally.  And that is what brings up the question, who is our Elijah?  Germany didn’t have one.  Will an Elijah appear for us?  Does he exist now or is he still yet to come?  I don’t think we have that long.  I only know of one person that fits the bill, now.  And it looks like it is building up to a final battle.  I admit that this is going deep down the rabbit hole and you’ll see it in the reaction and comments of the minions of Ba’al.  The point being that the Left continues to blame the Right for what the Left is doing in destroying this nation.  Which side is it that has been calling for defunding the police?  It hasn’t been the Right.  Didn’t Chicago just elect a new Mayor that is Left of Lightfoot.  He campaigned on defunding the police?  I guess that the people of Chicago haven’t suffered enough.

 

[spartan max2]

4 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

And it has to do with falling away from GOD. 

This is the sentence I stopped reading your post at.

You tie religion and politics really close together. Our nation was founded on a separation of church and state due to all the religious violence and persecution happening in Europe that people tried to escape. 

Politics and religion are a match made in hell. 

[+Desertrat56]

8 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

This nation was established on the belief in GOD. 

No it wasn't, the UK was established on that belief, but the U.S. was established on the idea of freedom of religion, which includes the lack of belief in God. 

Since no one can agree what "falling away from GOD" maybe you could state your belief of what that means since you used the phrase. 

8 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

The Shedim has filled the house.  Ba’al, Ashtoreth, and Molech.  Molech was the epiphany for me.  The god of child sacrifice. 

Those are all gods, so your statement that there is a falling away from God and replacing it with some other God is ludicrous.   Politics and god are not the same thing.  And this country was founded on keeping religion out of politics Or at least keeping it separate from government, which currently is politics.

Edited April 6 by Desertrat56

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

They used to execute Quakers for the crime of not being the right sort of Christian in the American Colonies. I really don’t think that that sits square with “freedom of religion, including freedom from religion”. 
They were puritans, many of the first colonists. People who thought the Lutheran reformations were too liberal. 

[spartan max2]

10 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

They used to execute Quakers for the crime of not being the right sort of Christian in the American Colonies. I really don’t think that that sits square with “freedom of religion, including freedom from religion”. 
They were puritans, many of the first colonists. People who thought the Lutheran reformations were too liberal. 

Like most things we put in our constitution and bill of rights, it is a long process of trying to live of to those ideas 

[+Paranoid Android]

6 hours ago, Portre said:

You're so impatient. The investigation is continuing. We'll nail his bloated ass soon enough. 

The walls area closing in.  Haven't heard that one before...

Edited April 6 by Paranoid Android

[+Desertrat56]

13 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

They used to execute Quakers for the crime of not being the right sort of Christian in the American Colonies. I really don’t think that that sits square with “freedom of religion, including freedom from religion”. 
They were puritans, many of the first colonists. People who thought the Lutheran reformations were too liberal. 

The "They" you mention wasn't government, unless you are talking about the British.