House Republicans continue GOP’s affront to law enforcement

[Doug1066]

17 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

No,  just that he didn't incite a riot!

I think there are charges pending on this.  Why not wait and see what the prosecutor says?  Should be some time this summer.

Doug

[+Paranoid Android]

7 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

I think there are charges pending on this.  Why not wait and see what the prosecutor says?  Should be some time this summer.

Doug

How much longer should I wait? If by the end of the summer nothing has happened, can we put this whole ridiculous thing to bed!?!?!? Or will it simply become "wait till after the fall", then "wait till after the winter", then "wait till after Summer next year". 

They've been saying Trump is going to down for the last 8 years. There's literally hundreds of articles dating back nearly a decade now, claiming Donald Trump is going down, that it's "the beginning of the end", "the walls are closing in", "we have him this time". Why should I believe this Summer will be the beginning of the end, when all those other "beginnings of the end" fizzled into flaccid nothingness!?!?!? 

If the left wing media didn't demonstrate a history of making these wild claims for years, maybe I'd treat it more seriously this time. Maybe there is a message in here - we learned it in The Boy Who Cried Wolf, now the mainstream media is learning that we just don't believe them anymore!  

[+Paranoid Android]

20 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

You are left with the perception of a "two tied" justice system.  Where I live, we have a good justice system.

Are we not discussing the US system in this thread? This is the US section of the forum. If you think Australia is awesome, that's great, I think our system is better than the US justice system but I've seen a fair bit of police overstepping their authority, and treating protesters differently depending on their political beliefs (BLM vs lockdown protests were treated very differently in Australia, despite both happening at roughly the same time). But I'm not going to drag this discussion further off topic by giving examples. I will, if you insist, but I will happily share my experiences of life in Australia. 

[+and-then]

On 4/3/2023 at 8:08 AM, Gromdor said:

Defund the Police! Jim Jordan Vows to Defund the Police Over Donald Trump Indictment (newsweek.com)

Flame bait, as well as being a lie.

[+and-then]

On 3/25/2023 at 9:00 AM, HandsomeGorilla said:

Unhinged, frantic, retaliatory nonsense just like the Emperor God Cheeto Benito.

Tell ya what, Simian-boy, get back to me when a group of Democrats are treated exactly the same because they were protesting in DC while Republicans are in power.  Your stance - and the p***y Iowan's - are ridiculous and I sincerely hope both of you get to enjoy the same kind of treatment someday.  

[Gromdor]

32 minutes ago, and-then said:

Tell ya what, Simian-boy, get back to me when a group of Democrats are treated exactly the same because they were protesting in DC while Republicans are in power.  Your stance - and the p***y Iowan's - are ridiculous and I sincerely hope both of you get to enjoy the same kind of treatment someday.  

It will never happen to us.  We don't break the law and try to use the excuse of, "Well, those others guys were doing it, so we deserve to break the law too."

I tend to agree that what Jim Jordan said was a lie.  I don't think they have the courage to go through with their bluster.  But then again, perhaps the GOP congressmen will make liars out of both of us in the end.

 

[Golden Duck]

4 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

Are we not discussing the US system in this thread? This is the US section of the forum. If you think Australia is awesome, that's great, I think our system is better than the US justice system but I've seen a fair bit of police overstepping their authority, and treating protesters differently depending on their political beliefs (BLM vs lockdown protests were treated very differently in Australia, despite both happening at roughly the same time). But I'm not going to drag this discussion further off topic by giving examples. I will, if you insist, but I will happily share my experiences of life in Australia. 

Indeed we are discussing the USJS.  But, we are not subject to it.  We don't have live with the USJ.  We are not left with it, are we?

[+Paranoid Android]

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

Indeed we are discussing the USJS.  But, we are not subject to it.  We don't have live with the USJ.  We are not left with it, are we?

I've never said we are left with it! 

Edited April 14 by Paranoid Android

[Doug1066]

12 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

How much longer should I wait? If by the end of the summer nothing has happened, can we put this whole ridiculous thing to bed!?!?!? Or will it simply become "wait till after the fall", then "wait till after the winter", then "wait till after Summer next year". 

They've been saying Trump is going to down for the last 8 years. There's literally hundreds of articles dating back nearly a decade now, claiming Donald Trump is going down, that it's "the beginning of the end", "the walls are closing in", "we have him this time". Why should I believe this Summer will be the beginning of the end, when all those other "beginnings of the end" fizzled into flaccid nothingness!?!?!? 

If the left wing media didn't demonstrate a history of making these wild claims for years, maybe I'd treat it more seriously this time. Maybe there is a message in here - we learned it in The Boy Who Cried Wolf, now the mainstream media is learning that we just don't believe them anymore!  

Well, Trump has already been arraigned for violating election laws.  His rape trial has received the go-ahead from the courts.  The wheels of justice turn slowly.

I think in Trump's case, he who laughs last will laugh best.

Doug

[lightly]

trump had Make America Great Again …as his go to slogan and signage …then it became SAVE AMERICA….now it’s morphing into TAKE BACK AMERICA… each slogan more forceful sounding than the last.   Anyone notice a pattern?  I do.   When did he start poking his puny fist in the air??  Now he does it at every opportunity …what message should we think that sends to his Followers?   He’s egging his eggheads on… all he has ever cared about is himself and his imagined GREATNESS.   He is insane.     I predict right now…his next move will be to somehow try to align himself with GOD …in the minds of his believers..and VOTERS.    Watch for it.  He will spout some BIBLE scripture any day now.   

Edited April 16 by lightly

[+Desertrat56]

On 4/15/2023 at 7:09 PM, lightly said:

trump had Make America Great Again …as his go to slogan and signage …then it became SAVE AMERICA….now it’s morphing into TAKE BACK AMERICA… each slogan more forceful sounding than the last.   Anyone notice a pattern?  I do.   When did he start poking his puny fist in the air??  Now he does it at every opportunity …what message should we think that sends to his Followers?   He’s egging his eggheads on… all he has ever cared about is himself and his imagined GREATNESS.   He is insane.     I predict right now…his next move will be to somehow try to align himself with GOD …in the minds of his believers..and VOTERS.    Watch for it.  He will spout some BIBLE scripture any day now.   

Yep, desperation, narcissim and dementia.  And he stole the first version from Reagan.   If he starts spouting bible scripture I am betting it will be garbled misquotes.

Edited April 17 by Desertrat56

[lightly]

12 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Yep, desperation, narcissim and dementia.  And he stole the first version from Reagan.   If he starts spouting bible scripture I am betting it will be garbled misquotes.

He says things…and observes the response.  If he likes the response he says it again.    I can just feel it coming…he is going to ,somehow, insert God into his rhetoric. ..  ‘love of god and country’   ‘our nation.. one nation, under god’       He understands the power of people buying into it.    If he starts going to church , or confesses some sort of religious epiphany,…he’ll be president  Again.    I hope I’m wrong.

[+Desertrat56]

7 minutes ago, lightly said:

He says things…and observes the response.  If he likes the response he says it again.    I can just feel it coming…he is going to ,somehow, insert God into his rhetoric. ..  ‘love of god and country’   ‘our nation.. one nation, under god’       He understands the power of people buying into it.    If he starts going to church , or confesses some sort of religious epiphany,…he’ll be president  Again.    I hope I’m wrong.

I remember he had some photo op in front of a church holding a bible upside down, and being rude to the actual church goers.  So obviously clueless about all of it that some could say he is the anti-christ.   

[Michelle]

19 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I remember he had some photo op in front of a church holding a bible upside down, and being rude to the actual church goers.

If I remember correctly he wasn't being rude to church goers. The mob of protesters were enraged because Trump had them moved out of the area for his photo op.

[Gromdor]

24 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I remember he had some photo op in front of a church holding a bible upside down, and being rude to the actual church goers.  So obviously clueless about all of it that some could say he is the anti-christ.   

I'll just link this to refresh some memories: Ahead of Trump Bible photo op, police forcibly expel priest from St. John's church near White House | National Catholic Reporter (ncronline.org)

 

On June 1, President Donald Trump stood before the historic St. John's Episcopal Church in downtown Washington, D.C., and held aloft a Bible for cameras.

 

The photo opportunity had an eerie quality: Trump said relatively little, positioned stoically in front of the boarded-up church, which had been damaged the day before in a fire during protests sparked by the death of George Floyd.

The church appeared to be completely abandoned.

It was, in fact, abandoned, but not by choice: less than an hour before Trump's arrival, armored police used tear gas to clear hundreds of peaceful demonstrators from Lafayette Square park, which is across the street from the church.

Authorities also expelled at least one Episcopal priest and a seminarian from the church's patio.- from the link.

 

Yeah, you read it right.  He kicked out the priests to do his photo op in addition to the protestors,  Saying it was rude is putting it mildly.

 

 

[+Desertrat56]

31 minutes ago, Michelle said:

If I remember correctly he wasn't being rude to church goers. The mob of protesters were enraged because Trump had them moved out of the area for his photo op.

Oh, they weren't church goers.  Did they have a permit to protest in that area?  If so, he was being rude.  If not, then ok.

[+Desertrat56]

28 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I'll just link this to refresh some memories: Ahead of Trump Bible photo op, police forcibly expel priest from St. John's church near White House | National Catholic Reporter (ncronline.org)

 

On June 1, President Donald Trump stood before the historic St. John's Episcopal Church in downtown Washington, D.C., and held aloft a Bible for cameras.

 

The photo opportunity had an eerie quality: Trump said relatively little, positioned stoically in front of the boarded-up church, which had been damaged the day before in a fire during protests sparked by the death of George Floyd.

The church appeared to be completely abandoned.

It was, in fact, abandoned, but not by choice: less than an hour before Trump's arrival, armored police used tear gas to clear hundreds of peaceful demonstrators from Lafayette Square park, which is across the street from the church.

Authorities also expelled at least one Episcopal priest and a seminarian from the church's patio.- from the link.

 

Yeah, you read it right.  He kicked out the priests to do his photo op in addition to the protestors,  Saying it was rude is putting it mildly.

 

 

So Michelle and I were both misremembering.

[+Paranoid Android]

Everyone seems to have forgotten that the "photo op" wasn't a photo op. This mainstream media represented the story as President Trump using police/National Guard to move legal protesters in order to have a Bible photo op. @Gromdor helpfully shared an article from 2020 that put the story in its worst possible light. Of course, the news from June 2021, updated the details for anyone who hasn't been watching: 

Quote

Watchdog Report Says Police Did Not Clear Protesters To Make Way For Trump Photo-Op

The U.S. Park Police did not clear protesters from a park outside the White House so then-President Donald Trump could take a photo-op at a nearby church, an Interior Department inspector general's report found.

"[T]he evidence established that relevant USPP officials had made those decisions and had begun implementing the operational plan several hours before they knew of a potential Presidential visit to the park, which occurred later that day," Interior Department Inspector General Mark Greenblatt wrote in a statement with the report's release Wednesday. "As such, we determined that the evidence did not support a finding that the USPP cleared the park on June 1, 2020, so that then President Trump could enter the park."

NPR - Source for further reading

The source I quoted is NPR, and NPR is a somewhat left wing media company, partly paid for with government funds. lt isn't the only possible source. The same story is literally repeated in:
* CNBC Article
* NBC Article
* ABC (not Australia) article
* USAToday Article
* BBC Article

There's more, if you really want to look. I avoided right wing sources to avoid accusations of bias. Whether you bought into them in June 2020, there's no excuse anymore to repeat the fake narrative when the truth is available for anyone to find  

 

Edited April 17 by Paranoid Android

[Grim Reaper 6]

17 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

Everyone seems to have forgotten that the "photo op" wasn't a photo op. This mainstream media represented the story as President Trump using police/National Guard to move legal protesters in order to have a Bible photo op. @Gromdor helpfully shared an article from 2020 that put the story in its worst possible light. Of course, the news from June 2021, updated the details for anyone who hasn't been watching: 

The source I quoted is NPR, and NPR is a somewhat left wing media company, partly paid for with government funds. lt isn't the only possible source. The same story is literally repeated in:
* CNBC Article
* NBC Article
* ABC (not Australia) article
* USAToday Article
* BBC Article

There's more, if you really want to look. I avoided right wing sources to avoid accusations of bias. Whether you bought into them in June 2020, there's no excuse anymore to repeat the fake narrative when the truth is available for anyone to find  

 

What was the purpose of Trumps walk to the Church and the photos of him holding a Bible?

So it was just a coincidence that protesters were cleared before Trumps walk to the Church, interesting! However, I doubt that Trump would have walked to the Church if the protesters were not removed, something seems mighty fishy. 

Edited April 17 by Grim Reaper 6

[+Paranoid Android]

7 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

What was the purpose of Trumps, walk to the Church and the photos him holding a Bible? 

What is the relevance in such a question? If Trump didn't order the square cleared of protesters in order to hold this photo op, it's irrelevant! The outrage was over Trump allegedly sending troops to attack American citizens just so he could have a photo op. Trump denied that at the time, and the evidence has since proven Trump was correct! 

Therefore, there is nothing in this photo op to be enraged about. I really don't care what reason you give for why you think he went to the church! It's a nothing event that took place nearly 3 years ago now! 

Edited April 18 by Paranoid Android

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

What is the relevance in such a question? If Trump didn't order the square cleared of protesters in order to hold this photo op, it's irrelevant! The outrage was over Trump allegedly sending troops to attack American citizens just so he could have a photo op. Trump denied that at the time, and the evidence has since proven Trump was correct!

It’s not an irrelevant question. So according to you Trump didn’t have protesters removed, but some one obviously did or Trump could not have walked to the Church. 

4 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

Therefore, there is nothing in this photo op to be enraged about. I really don't care what reason you give for why you think he went to the church! It's a nothing event that took place nearly 3 years ago now! 

If it’s a nothing event that occurred 3 years ago why do you care enough to argue it?

No matter how you wrap it protestors were forcibly removed or the photo-op would have never have happened. 

[Gromdor]

Yeah, it's most likely the other way around.  Trump did not order the police to tear gas and chase away the crowd and priests for a photo op but rather decided to have a photo op after the police tear gassed and chased them out.

[+Paranoid Android]

11 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

It’s not an irrelevant question. So according to you Trump didn’t have protesters removed, but some one obviously did or Trump could not have walked to the Church. 

The article made it clear - the square was cleared by government officials because a contractor needed to install a fence. Trump took advantage of the dispersal to hold a photo op, but the photo op wasn't the reason for the dispersal. 

 

11 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

If it’s a nothing event that occurred 3 years ago why do you care enough to argue it?

Because someone brought up an article from 2020 without acknowledging that the event was investigated and it was determined in 2021 that Trump didn't clear the square for a photo op, which is the claim that is still wrongly floating around! It's important to provide accurate and up-to-date information and not rely on data that is out of date! 

 

11 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

No matter how you wrap it protestors were forcibly removed or the photo-op would have never have happened. 

And there was nothing wrong in how the protesters were removed! The outrage has always been about the fact that Trump took a photo op, with the implication being that Trump removed the protesters in order to stage a photo op, when that didn't happen at all.

[lightly]

14 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

What was the purpose of Trumps walk to the Church and the photos of him holding a Bible?

So it was just a coincidence that protesters were cleared before Trumps walk to the Church, interesting! However, I doubt that Trump would have walked to the Church if the protesters were not removed, something seems mighty fishy. 

To form some sort of association between himself and god in the minds of his followers..in the hope of gaining more VOTERS.   He knew exactly what he was doing..  he is insane.. but he is also clever, there is often method to his madness.   He didn’t have to say a word…just stand there with that bible in his hand…and thousands see him thereafter, as ….A Man of God .!     (all evidence to the contrary, aside)!

Edited April 18 by lightly

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 hours ago, lightly said:

To form some sort of association between himself and god in the minds of his followers..in the hope of gaining more VOTERS.   He knew exactly what he was doing..  he is insane.. but he is also clever, there is often method to his madness.   He didn’t have to say a word…just stand there with that bible in his hand…and thousands see him thereafter, as ….A Man of God .!     (all evidence to the contrary, aside)!

That’s certainly possible, but it could also have been a message to members of the extreme far right.