All 30 NATO countries have ratified Finland's NATO bid

[+Nuclear Wessel]

 

ANKARA — Turkey’s parliament ratified on Thursday Finland’s accession to NATO, while Sweden’s bid to join the alliance is still blocked by Ankara and Budapest.

The measure passed unanimously by the parliament’s general assembly.

Finland and Sweden were formally invited to the North Atlantic alliance in June following breaking their historical military non alignment policy in face of the Russian invasion of Ukraine last year. Initially, Turkey gave its nod for them to become official invitees, but tabled a series of national security demands before ratifying their accession. NATO’s decision-making process requires consensus among all 30-member states. 

Turkey ratifies Finland’s NATO membership - Al-Monitor: Independent, trusted coverage of the Middle East

Edited March 30 by Nuclear Wessel

[DarkHunter]

Only a few technicalities left before Finland joins NATO, essentially a letter needs delivered to Finland saying they can join and then Finland needs to write a response letter accepting it.

Will be interesting to see if Finland does this immediately or waits to see what happens with Sweden first and the Turkish elections.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

20 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Only a few technicalities left before Finland joins NATO, essentially a letter needs delivered to Finland saying they can join and then Finland needs to write a response letter accepting it.

Will be interesting to see if Finland does this immediately or waits to see what happens with Sweden first and the Turkish elections.

It will be interesting to see Russia's reaction, as well. 

[DarkHunter]

1 hour ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

It will be interesting to see Russia's reaction, as well. 

I dont see Russia doing anything except maybe complain, there isnt really much Russia can do at this point.  

[spartan max2]

Even though Sweden is still being blocked, this is great for Sweden because Finland is the one bordering Russia 

[spartan max2]

17 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

I dont see Russia doing anything except maybe complain, there isnt really much Russia can do at this point.  

They will probably do some kind of threatening plane exercise or something 

[DarkHunter]

4 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

They will probably do some kind of threatening plane exercise or something 

That is a possibility, wouldnt be anything Finland hasnt had to deal with before.  Russia periodically tries to violate the airspace and naval territory of its European neighbors.  

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Finland to officially join NATO tomorrow.

 

 

[Occult1]

Russia to respond to Finland's NATO ascension by 'strengthening' military on border

Russia has vowed to "strengthen its military potential" along its border with Finland as a direct response to Finland’s accension to the NATO ranks on Tuesday. 

Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko was quoted by Russian news site RIA Novosti as saying the expansion of NATO called for "additional steps" in military security. 

“In the event that forces and assets of other NATO members are deployed in Finland, we will take additional steps to reliably ensure Russia's military security," Mr Grushko said. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-03/russia-to-respond-to-finlands-nato-ascension/102182944

[Stiff]

8 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia to respond to Finland's NATO ascension by 'strengthening' military on border

Russia has vowed to "strengthen its military potential" along its border with Finland as a direct response to Finland’s accension to the NATO ranks on Tuesday. 

Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko was quoted by Russian news site RIA Novosti as saying the expansion of NATO called for "additional steps" in military security. 

“In the event that forces and assets of other NATO members are deployed in Finland, we will take additional steps to reliably ensure Russia's military security," Mr Grushko said. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-03/russia-to-respond-to-finlands-nato-ascension/102182944

Wow. That really is some kind of worrying response from russia.  

[+Nuclear Wessel]

24 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia to respond to Finland's NATO ascension by 'strengthening' military on border

Russia has vowed to "strengthen its military potential" along its border with Finland as a direct response to Finland’s accension to the NATO ranks on Tuesday. 

Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko was quoted by Russian news site RIA Novosti as saying the expansion of NATO called for "additional steps" in military security. 

“In the event that forces and assets of other NATO members are deployed in Finland, we will take additional steps to reliably ensure Russia's military security," Mr Grushko said. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-03/russia-to-respond-to-finlands-nato-ascension/102182944

Lmao, yeah the Finns are terrified!

[Occult1]

30 minutes ago, Stiff said:

Wow. That really is some kind of worrying response from russia.  

It's a defensive posture. The Russians don't perceive Finland as a threat.

[spartan max2]

7 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

It's a defensive posture. The Russians don't perceive Finland as a threat.

NATOS EXPANDed TO THE BORDER OF RUSSIA!!!!!! THIS CANNOT BE ACCEPTED. PUTIN WILL NOT ALLOW IT 

That was legitmetally you a couple months ago man. If Finland being a border nation to Russia isn't a existential threat or whatever. Then neither is Ukraine.

 

Edited April 3 by spartan max2

[Stiff]

12 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

It's a defensive posture. The Russians don't perceive Finland as a threat.

If they don't perceive Finland as a threat (which they aren't at the moment), then why the defensive posture?

[Occult1]

7 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

NATOS EXPANDed TO THE BORDER OF RUSSIA!!!!!! THIS CANNOT BE ACCEPTED. PUTIN WILL NOT ALLOW IT 

That was legitmetally you a couple months ago man. If Finland being a border nation to Russia isn't a existential threat or whatever. Then neither is Ukraine.

 

Here are some explanations:

 

'' Ukraine has been described by experts such as John Mearsheimer^[27] and Stephen Walt^[28] as a buffer state between Russia and the NATO bloc,^[27][28] at least up to the ousting of former President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_state

 

''Ukraine is central to Russia's defensibility. The two countries share a long border, and Moscow is located only some 480 kilometers (about 300 miles) from Ukrainian territory -- a stretch of land that is flat, easily traversed and thus difficult to defend. If some power were to block the Ukraine-Kazakh gap, Russia would be cut off from the Caucasus, its defensible southern border.''

https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2014/01/28/ukraine_the_perpetual_buffer_state.html

[Occult1]

8 minutes ago, Stiff said:

If they don't perceive Finland as a threat (which they aren't at the moment), then why the defensive posture?

Russia seems be perceive Finland joining the NATO bloc as a destabilizing move. They are reacting by boosting their border's defense.

But Russia doesn't have any problem with Finland.

Edited April 3 by Occult1

[spartan max2]

6 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Here are some explanations:

 

'' Ukraine has been described by experts such as John Mearsheimer^[27] and Stephen Walt^[28] as a buffer state between Russia and the NATO bloc,^[27][28] at least up to the ousting of former President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_state

 

''Ukraine is central to Russia's defensibility. The two countries share a long border, and Moscow is located only some 480 kilometers (about 300 miles) from Ukrainian territory -- a stretch of land that is flat, easily traversed and thus difficult to defend. If some power were to block the Ukraine-Kazakh gap, Russia would be cut off from the Caucasus, its defensible southern border.''

https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2014/01/28/ukraine_the_perpetual_buffer_state.html

Lativa is the same distance to Moscow as Ukraine is. Lativa is part of NATO 

Finland has a massive border with Russia and is right by Saint Petersburg 

Putin's Ukraine excuse looks paper thin.

Edited April 3 by spartan max2

[Occult1]

16 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Lativa is the same distance to Moscow as Ukraine is. Lativa is part of NATO 

Finland has a massive border with Russia and is right by Saint Petersburg 

Putin's Ukraine excuse looks paper thin.

Ukraine and Belarus are the only countries remaining that can serve as buffer states between Russia and NATO.

It's obvious that Russia will not accept to be completely surrounded from all sides by the NATO bloc.

Edited April 3 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

It's obvious that Russia will not accept to be completely surrounded from all sides by the NATO bloc.

Not much they can do, unfortunately.

[spartan max2]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine and Belarus are the only countries remaining that can serve as buffer states between Russia and NATO.

It's obvious that Russia will not accept to be completely surrounded from all sides by the NATO bloc.

That's called propaganda in an attempt to have some kind of justification for the unjustifiable invasion of Ukraine.

Lativa has a direct highway route straight to Moscow. You can easily see it yourself on Google maps 

[Trelane]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine and Belarus are the only countries remaining that can serve as buffer states between Russia and NATO.

It's obvious that Russia will not accept to be completely surrounded from all sides by the NATO bloc.

Surrounded??? I wasn't aware China, Mongolia and Kazakhstan were in NATO. Must've missed those elections. 

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

44 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Surrounded??? I wasn't aware China, Mongolia and Kazakhstan were in NATO. Must've missed those elections. 

Certain posters seem to be unable/unwilling to look at a map.

Remember the old "Russia needs a port in the Black Sea", despite the fact that a quick look at a map will reveal they have several such ports.

[DarkHunter]

Finland is officially in NATO now

[Occult1]

15 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

Finland is officially in NATO now

What about Sweden?

[spartan max2]

14 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

What about Sweden?

Swedens still held up by Turkey