A New York Grand Jury has indicted Trump.

[+and-then]

https://www.cnn.com/

I predict he will likely be convicted but it will be overturned on appeal.

I think DC will indict him on some kind of charge related to the classified docs case and it will be a slam dunk conviction because no change of venue will be allowed.  NEITHER will serve to disqualify him.

Edited March 30, 2023 by and-then

[+Nuclear Wessel]

5 minutes ago, and-then said:

NEITHER will serve to disqualify him.

The system is so incredibly flawed.

[+Desertrat56]

I want to know what the actual charges are.  We have been getting so many conflicting stories about what charges there are.   It is not enough to indict him, though I am sure the indictment wouldn't happen if there was any chance the evidence is not solid.   It has taken a long time so they must have something on him that will stick.

[+Desertrat56]

7 minutes ago, and-then said:

https://www.cnn.com/

I predict he will likely be convicted but it will be overturned on appeal.

I think DC will indict him on some kind of charge related to the classified docs case and it will be a slam dunk conviction because no change of venue will be allowed.  NEITHER will serve to disqualify him.

Disqualify him for what?

[+and-then]

3 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

The system is so incredibly flawed.

Yes, it is, but that is not why he can't be disqualified.  Some think that charges against him based on a conviction will DQ him due to the language of the 14th amendment.  That amendment is very specific and does not mention POTUS.  Of course, the DC conviction, when it comes later this year, will be sold 24/7/365 by the media as proof that he is disqualified.  It will have to be taken to SCOTUS.  THEN his haters will turn their anger on SCOTUS as being somehow corrupt.  

6 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Disqualify him for what?

Serving as POTUS if he wins again.  That's my prediction.  Let's see how it works out.  I realize that you are convinced that he won't even be the nominee but I respectfully disagree.  Does it seem suspicious to you at all that all of the media and the DNC's attack dogs are coming after him in such an unprecedented way?  Multiple lawsuits and a massive disinfo campaign accusing him of everything except torturing puppies.  It's sad but it's also somewhat laughable because their efforts are doomed to fail.  Worse yet, his polling and his fundraising are going to go up.  Possibly, DRAMATICALLY.  

[+Desertrat56]

1 minute ago, and-then said:

Yes, it is, but that is not why he can't be disqualified.  Some think that charges against him based on a conviction will DQ him due to the language of the 14th amendment.  That amendment is very specific and does not mention POTUS.  Of course, the DC conviction, when it comes later this year, will be sold 24/7/365 by the media as proof that he is disqualified.  It will have to be taken to SCOTUS.  THEN his haters will turn their anger on SCOTUS as being somehow corrupt.  

Serving as POTUS if he wins again.  That's my prediction.  Let's see how it works out.  I realize that you are convinced that he won't even be the nominee but I respectfully disagree.  Does it seem suspicious to you at all that all of the media and the DNC's attack dogs are coming after him in such an unprecedented way?  Multiple lawsuits and a massive disinfo campaign accusing him of everything except torturing puppies.  It's sad but it's also somewhat laughable because their efforts are doomed to fail.  Worse yet, his polling and his fundraising are going to go up.  Possibly, DRAMATICALLY.  

The republican party has already deemed him disqualified, and he is not going to run as an independent because that means he will have to come up with the money.   

[+and-then]

17 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

It has taken a long time so they must have something on him that will stick.

Really?  They've been coming after him for 6 years and their mantra has consistently been that THIS TIME... we've got him.  Just remember the old saying - "you can indict a ham sandwich".  Some pretty serious legal minds have said Bragg is torturing the law in even trying to bring charges.  I didn't intentionally omit the charge sheet.  It's sealed.  I think that was done to protect Bragg from watching his case being dismantled online and in some News outlets.  IF it goes to a jury though, either in NY or DC, his conviction is guaranteed for obvious political reasons.  

[+DieChecker]

We'll have to see what the charges are. Based on what's been released, and discussed, this is mainly the payment of Stormy Daniels. Which even if it is a conviction, is a misdemeanor in NY state law. Which is what the DA is representing.

AFAIK, Trump didn't run for any NY state offices. It would need the DOJ involved if it is a federal charge. And though I read the FBI was in on arrest planning, they're not bringing the charges.

[+and-then]

8 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

The republican party has already deemed him disqualified

Link please?  This election is going to be a choice between Trump and the status quo.  That's as plain a choice as is possible.  I believe that polling proves that the Republican party is basically now the Trump party.  RINOS will have to make a choice to support him or guarantee a Republican POTUS loss and potentially some serious destruction, down ballot.

[+Razman]

I got a feeling these indictments will increase with time.

[+and-then]

2 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Which even if it is a conviction, is a misdemeanor in NY state law. Which is what the DA is representing.

I think Bragg has done some convoluted interpretation of state law so that what would have been a misdemeanor - and outside statute of limitations - will be charged as a felony in the state.  Johnathon Turley and Alan Dershowitz have both said that Bragg has no case at all.  BUT... that won't stop a highly partisan jury from convicting him nor will it stop the media from using it against him, even after it gets overturned on appeal.  This is - for the Left - a fight of desperation.

[+and-then]

1 minute ago, razman said:

I got a feeling these indictments will increase with time.

Oh, I fully expect at least one more - in DC - but he could face one in Georgia as well.  From the perspective of how his supporters see this, it simply will do him no harm and quite likely will increase his fundraising and poll numbers.  These efforts, despite the hate against the man by 40-45% of voters, has become so obvious that it's beginning to flip independents his way. 

Pay attention to Israel right now.  What you see being attempted against Netanyahu is what we will see here if Trump wins next year.  I believe it will signal the collapse of our government.  The Left has now reached the point where they feel they can justify causing America to fall into chaos rather than have an "outsider" gate crash their party in DC.

[acidhead]

This whole fiasco is only going to make President Trump even more popular. 

Hahaha 

[Kenemet]

39 minutes ago, and-then said:

https://www.cnn.com/

I predict he will likely be convicted but it will be overturned on appeal.

I think DC will indict him on some kind of charge related to the classified docs case and it will be a slam dunk conviction because no change of venue will be allowed.  NEITHER will serve to disqualify him.

I agree that it won't disqualify him and I hope there's a conviction.

I get his emails (on an email that I use as a spam catcher) and a few months ago he was promoting "send money for vote harvesting" (which is illegal in some states)... so I suspect there's more in his campaign finances that can be found.

It'd also be amusing if the Republicans didn't fully open their war chest for him.

And he's defaulted on a lot of things including paying cities for security services.  I'd love to see him persona non grata because of this.

[Kenemet]

35 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I want to know what the actual charges are.  We have been getting so many conflicting stories about what charges there are.   It is not enough to indict him, though I am sure the indictment wouldn't happen if there was any chance the evidence is not solid.   It has taken a long time so they must have something on him that will stick.

That he used campaign finances to pay for "legal fees" which was actually the hush money.

You can't use money given to you for campaigns to buy yourself treats, pay off porn stars, etc.  It's got to go for campaign costs (like paying the security tab for his rallies in Albuquerque and elsewhere - money that he's refused to pay - https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/cities-angry-with-trump-over-)millions-in-unpaid-rally-expenses-1.5269495?cache=

 

[acidhead]

Just now, Kenemet said:

I get his emails (on an email that I use as a spam catcher) and a few months ago he was promoting "send money for vote harvesting" (which is illegal in some states)... so I suspect there's more in his campaign finances that can be found.

He's been promoting Ballot harvesting(like the DEMS do) and has mentioned several times ONLY in States where it's LEGAL. 

[+DieChecker]

1 minute ago, acidhead said:

This whole fiasco is only going to make President Trump even more popular. 

Hahaha 

Possibly. 

The whole case is based on Stormy Daniels. And I can remember back in 2016 when it came out, and the liberals were like, "HOT DAMN! Trump slept with a porn star and then paid her off. His supporters are going to flee in droves." And we all know that, if anything, it made him more popular. At worst it hurt him zero (at the time).

Like And Then said, the Liberals all squeal with glee, but ultimately scream at the heavens in frustration when one machination after another fails to bring the Teflon Don down even a peg.

[+DieChecker]

7 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

That he used campaign finances to pay for "legal fees" which was actually the hush money.

You can't use money given to you for campaigns to buy yourself treats, pay off porn stars, etc.  It's got to go for campaign costs (like paying the security tab for his rallies in Albuquerque and elsewhere - money that he's refused to pay - https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/cities-angry-with-trump-over-)millions-in-unpaid-rally-expenses-1.5269495?cache=

 

I thought I read that the money was paid by the Trump Organization. Did the Trump Organization control his Campaign Finances? Seems unlikely.

Any link showing the "legal fees" came out of a campaign finance account would be great.

Edited March 30, 2023 by DieChecker

[+Desertrat56]

20 minutes ago, and-then said:

Really?  They've been coming after him for 6 years and their mantra has consistently been that THIS TIME... we've got him.  Just remember the old saying - "you can indict a ham sandwich".  Some pretty serious legal minds have said Bragg is torturing the law in even trying to bring charges.  I didn't intentionally omit the charge sheet.  It's sealed.  I think that was done to protect Bragg from watching his case being dismantled online and in some News outlets.  IF it goes to a jury though, either in NY or DC, his conviction is guaranteed for obvious political reasons.  

This is the first time they have indicted him.   They have investigated him for many years for different things.

[Trelane]

Poor Stormy....

[+Desertrat56]

18 minutes ago, and-then said:

Link please?  This election is going to be a choice between Trump and the status quo.  That's as plain a choice as is possible.  I believe that polling proves that the Republican party is basically now the Trump party.  RINOS will have to make a choice to support him or guarantee a Republican POTUS loss and potentially some serious destruction, down ballot.

That is the proof in my opinion that there is no news from them about who they will support.  Just lots of back and forth.  Find a reputable link that he will be on the republican ticket.

[Kenemet]

6 minutes ago, acidhead said:

He's been promoting Ballot harvesting(like the DEMS do) and has mentioned several times ONLY in States where it's LEGAL. 

In his emails he was promoting it (until apparently someone stopped him) and nothing was mentioned about "states where it's legal."

[+Desertrat56]

8 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

That he used campaign finances to pay for "legal fees" which was actually the hush money.

You can't use money given to you for campaigns to buy yourself treats, pay off porn stars, etc.  It's got to go for campaign costs (like paying the security tab for his rallies in Albuquerque and elsewhere - money that he's refused to pay - https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/cities-angry-with-trump-over-)millions-in-unpaid-rally-expenses-1.5269495?cache=

 

Wow, he will really be in trouble for this last fund raising he has been doing then.   

[Kenemet]

1 minute ago, Desertrat56 said:

Wow, he will really be in trouble for this last fund raising he has been doing then.   

His emails are vague about where the money's going.  I noticed that although it all comes from him, it gets channeled into different 'pockets' (when you mouse over the links.)

Like the time he channeled money from his charity to pay for a portrait of himself: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/27/michael-cohen-testimony-trump-painting-foundation-money

He's got plenty of money... he just doesn't want to spend it.  He'd rather spend someone else's money, obtained under various methods.

[Kenemet]

11 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I thought I read that the money was paid by the Trump Organization. Did the Trump Organization control his Campaign Finances? Seems unlikely.

Any link showing the "legal fees" came out of a campaign finance account would be great.

(quoting from an article)
 

Federal prosecutors in New York ultimately charged Cohen in 2018 with violating federal campaign finance laws, arguing that the payments amounted to impermissible help to Trump’s presidential campaign. Cohen pleaded guilty to those charges and unrelated tax evasion counts and served time in federal prison.

Trump was implicated in court filings as having knowledge of the arrangements, but U.S. prosecutors at the time balked at bringing charges against him.  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/donald-trump-indicted-lawyer-says#:~:text=A lawyer for Donald Trump,of an extramarital sexual encounter.