‘Absurdity to a new level’ as Russia takes charge of UN security council

[pellinore]

In Ukraine, Moscow is pursuing an unprovoked war of aggression. In The Hague, Vladimir Putin is facing an arrest warrant for war crimes. But at the UN, Russia is about to take charge of a powerful international body, the security council.

From Saturday, it will be Russia’s turn to take up the monthly presidency of the 15-member council, in line with a rotation that has been unaffected by the Ukraine war.

The last time Russia held the gavel was in February last year, when Putin declared his “special military operation” in the middle of a council session on Ukraine. Fourteen months on, tens of thousands of people have been killed, many of them civilians, cities have been ruined and Putin has been indicted by the international criminal court for the mass abduction of Ukrainian children.

‘Absurdity to a new level’ as Russia takes charge of UN security council | United Nations | The Guardian

Edited April 1 by pellinore

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

[Alchopwn]

2 hours ago, pellinore said:

From Saturday, it will be Russia’s turn to take up the monthly presidency of the 15-member council, in line with a rotation that has been unaffected by the Ukraine war.

This will be interesting...

[+and-then]

Not saying the nukes are at fault... but... the nukes are at fault.  Anyone who has them and can deliver them efficiently, gets a seat at the grown-up table, whether they're grown-up or not.  Next up in the batter's box - the howling mad mullahs   Ain't life grand?

[Occult1]

How is it absurd? That's how the U.N. Security Council was intended to work.

[Occult1]

6 hours ago, and-then said:

Not saying the nukes are at fault... but... the nukes are at fault.  Anyone who has them and can deliver them efficiently, gets a seat at the grown-up table, whether they're grown-up or not.  Next up in the batter's box - the howling mad mullahs   Ain't life grand?

People often forget that the UNSC was intended to prevent another WWII, by giving a voice and a platform to the earth's most powerful nations to resolve their issues.

[Trelane]

4 hours ago, Occult1 said:

People often forget that the UNSC was intended to prevent another WWII, by giving a voice and a platform to the earth's most powerful nations to resolve their issues.

That was with the understanding that no one was going to start illegally invading and murdering civilians in imperialistic wars of aggression.

Alas, Vladdy boy stepped in it but now has the opportunity to have the gavel. Let's see what illegal move he makes next.

[Unusual Tournament]

26 minutes ago, Trelane said:

That was with the understanding that no one was going to start illegally invading and murdering civilians in imperialistic wars of aggression.

Alas, Vladdy boy stepped in it but now has the opportunity to have the gavel. Let's see what illegal move he makes next.

…curious but would America invading Iraq and Afghanistan also qualify as illegal?

[+Nuclear Wessel]

2 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

…curious but would America invading Iraq and Afghanistan also qualify as illegal?

Not the same thing as Russia is invading with the goal of annexing territory.

[Tatetopa]

3 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

…curious but would America invading Iraq and Afghanistan also qualify as illegal?

Sure and Trumps desire to invade Mexico just to bomb the cartels is also illegal. 

[Unusual Tournament]

5 hours ago, Occult1 said:

People often forget that the UNSC was intended to prevent another WWII, by giving a voice and a platform to the earth's most powerful nations to resolve their issues.

I believe it was a a platform for the victorious alliance to consolidate victory over the fascists and impose a new world order that seems to be falling apart at the moment 

[Trelane]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

…curious but would America invading Iraq and Afghanistan also qualify as illegal?

Wasn't illegal. Nice try at the re-direct though.

[Unusual Tournament]

5 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Wasn't illegal. Nice try at the re-direct though.

America did not get a UN pass to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Therefore by your definition it was illegal 

[Trelane]

16 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

America did not get a UN pass to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Therefore by your definition it was illegal 

What is my definition? You have a citation where I made a definition for that word? You are something else, you remind very much or another lonely poster who used come in here with this kind rubbish.

If that were the case who was charged with war crimes or denounced in the UN council? I'll wait....

 

 

Can't answer that one either huh? Shocking.

Edited April 2 by Trelane

[Unusual Tournament]

3 minutes ago, Trelane said:

What is my definition? You have a citation where I made a definition for that word? You are something else, you remind very much or another lonely poster who used come in here with this kind rubbish.

If that were the case who was charged with war crimes or denounced in the UN council? I'll wait.

Mate. Book yourself into a hospital you already haven’t outstayed your welcome in. 

[spartan max2]

10 hours ago, Occult1 said:

How is it absurd? That's how the U.N. Security Council was intended to work.

What do you mean ?

[Occult1]

2 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Not the same thing as Russia is invading with the goal of annexing territory.

You're right. But the U.S. has used it's veto many times to protect Israel and the annexation of territories.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/19/a-history-of-the-us-blocking-un-resolutions-against-israel

Edited April 2 by Occult1

[Occult1]

34 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

What do you mean ?

That the UNSC presidency rotates monthly in alphabetical order, giving each member state, permanent and elected, an opportunity to structure and steer the form and content of the UNSC’s work.

Edited April 2 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

51 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

You're right. But the U.S. has used it's veto many times to protect Israel and the annexation of territories.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/19/a-history-of-the-us-blocking-un-resolutions-against-israel

Which is absurd in its own right, but in this instance we are not talking about whether the US supports another country annexing territories or any other such thing—the point is that UT’s posited circumstance is not equivalent to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. 

[Occult1]

7 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Which is absurd in its own right, but in this instance we are not talking about whether the US supports another country annexing territories or any other such thing—the point is that UT’s posited circumstance is not equivalent to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. 

The U.S will do everything it can to protect it's interests, including illegally invading another country and veto UNSC resolutions to protect it's allies who have illegally annexed territories.

That sounds like Russia.

Edited April 2 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

7 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

The U.S will do everything it can to protect it's interests, including illegally invading another country and veto UNSC resolutions to protect it's allies who have iillegally annexed territories.

That sounds like Russia.

Even if it does, it’s not exactly relevant. They didn’t annex territory during their invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan, nor was that one of their interest—that is my point.

Edited April 2 by Nuclear Wessel

[Occult1]

3 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

They didn’t annex territory during their invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan, nor was that one of their interest—that is my point.

I would argue that installing a puppet government is informal annexation but I will not push my case further.

Edited April 2 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Just now, Occult1 said:

I would argue that installing a puppet government is informal annexation but I will not push my case further.

That’s a shame—we should pursue this. 

[Alchopwn]

Anything Russia puts up will just be voted down.  No harm done.  What this does throw into stark relief is whether rogue states should be part of the UN Security Council.

[Trelane]

11 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Mate. Book yourself into a hospital you already haven’t outstayed your welcome in. 

So, you have no reasonable retort for my question? No information to back up your claims that the US invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan were illegal as you alluded to? I figured as much, not surprising though. You're not the first person to try that line of horse manure.

Good day to you and back on topic....